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Another very emotive topic......
May 19 2013
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RHP User
13 years ago
There are many different circumtances but I believe if a person is in a sound state of mind and their quality of life is suffering, then it a person's right to choose what to do with their life. When the Mr was in hospital having chemo, we saw more than one man chose not to continue treatment for the purpose of prolonging their life rather than curing them because of the effect it was having on their quality of life. They chose to enjoy the life they had left to the best of their ability. It was very sad to see and I'd like to think they would have had the choice to go in peace rather than dragging it out.
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RHP User
13 years ago
And I most definitely do have one. Is YES. It should be everyone's personal choice. Closely monitored by health professionals/counsellors all the way from why you want to do it, till today's the day. If you are unfortunate enough to have a fatal disease and would like to die with dignity, or in cases of dementia where your quality of life is taken from you and you won't be lucid enough to make that choice when the time comes, then yes. I wholeheartedly agree with euthanasia. A relative is 103 years old and has been languishing in an aged home for about 8 years now, she does not move from bed, has half lucid moments and for the past two years has seemed to have been in pain a lot of the time. She has had a pretty good innings, a wonderful life and a letter from the Queen, PM and various other dignitaries and been told by Hitler's right hand man in her day that she was a 'very attractive young lady'. Knowing the strength and willpower of this woman, I sincerely think that given the choice she would have opted to peacefully go to sleep. I know that if I had the choice under certain circumstances I would prefer it. Look forward to others opinions.
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Cheekyarses
13 years ago
A very debatable topic!! I will sit back n read the comments first before I post mine!! I like the topic Sir S xx
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RHP User
13 years ago
compulsory! I have a list, a list that is getting longer. lol.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Why hold back for??? I'm sure we've all got an opinion on this topic :)- Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
13 years ago
The Netherlands were the first country to legalise euthanasia. As I not only grew up there, but became a Registered Nurse there as well, I grew up with both the idea and the legislation. In my career I've seen far too much unnecessary suffering, where people lost their dignity. I can understand the religious view: Your life belongs to God, therefore you have no right to end it. However I believe my life is my own, to do with as I see fit. Furthermore, I don't see death as the end, merely a transition. We all die, why not allow someone to make an informed decision about how and when?
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sweetgem
13 years ago
I personally support the idea ONLY IF one is or has been suffering too much severe physical pain, which leads to suffering emotional pain for too many years and that there's no medication that could help at all! I would ask for an euthanasia if I had been living life in semi-coma for too long and put too much financial and mental burdens on my family! But I am saying this for myself, not for all, please do not misunderstand me. I know generally our law system doesn't allow an euthanasia to take place freely or at will, but the government should take some severe emotional and physical sufferings into account and respect the individual's choice for what they wanted to do with their life if there was zero hope for a recovery. Of course this decision can and should only be made by the actual suffering individual whose mind is still conscious enough to make their own decision, NOT by anyone else who might think the individual should go or live! Anyways, that's just my thoughts for my own future alternate in case it happened to me, but touch wood- Posted from rhpmobile
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Paradisepair
13 years ago
I've had a family member who chose when delivered the terminal news to use the legal methods available to them at the time (not in Oz). Which involved large doses of morphine to stay unconscious and nil by mouth - aka starving to death with family members having to stand by and watch the very slow (nearly 2 weeks) process.That's cruel and mentally scarring for those left behind when the right dose of something would mean it could have been over in a matter of minutes. Someone who doesn't want to slowly and painfully die consciously is going to take their life one way or another - why not let them do it with compassion and dignity. I feel that if the government were to set up an agency which approved the process on an individual basis the weak argument around greedy relos knocking off the decrepit parents would be addressed.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Euthanasia is an end to suffering. Who are we, the young and the healthy, to make the the decision that someone cannot end their own life willingly, when they are in a terminal state and staring down a slow and painful road to eventual death? I have watched family members going through hell because they were sick, in pain and unable to die with dignity. Our society is so afraid of death that we force people to stay alive, often cruelly inflicting pain, just to squeeze out a couple more months of "precious" life. If I ever end up in that state, I hope that, by then, the laws will have changed to allow me to die with dignity, surrounded by my family as I see fit. I do however, understand the ethical dilemma that doctors must face around the question of euthanasia. They have taken an oath to preserve life and euthanasia goes directly against the preservation of life.
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RHP User
13 years ago
If you are dieing and have considered euthanasia it means you are already at peace with death. You are no longer thinking about heaven and earth, being reincarnated, and so forth. No longer is it a sin in your eyes but rather a way to take the pain away and to stop being a burden to those you love. You're not being selfish by taking yourself out of the human population but rather giving back life to those who love you and sacrificed their own life to look after you. The decision has been thoughtfully analysed time and time again in your mind and if you could pull the chord or flip the switch you would. As much as I would hate to see a loved one leave us behind I would respect their wish and say my goodbyes and keep that memory in mind before they deteriorate even more. That's my view on it- Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
13 years ago
As a registered nurse that has worked in areas like ED and ICU I am a full supporter of it. I have seen patients forced to linger in pain and suffering with no future quality of life, only quantity. Too many times injuries and illnesses are so severe that only life support measure such as ventilators are what is keeping a person alive. And I have had family members of these patients tell me (and Dr's) that they want the suffering to stop....asking "surely there is something you can do?" Only to be told that it is illegal to euthanase a human. What I find completely crazy is the idea that if my dog is sick/injured and will be constantly in pain with no quality of life it is considered humane (and illegal not to treat), to euthanse her, but if I am in the same situation my family can not request that... the only way out is to withdraw all treatment and allow me to starve to death (which can take up to two weeks). Where is the logic in that?
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RHP User
13 years ago
I am for it as well. But I think only Doctors or professionals should be allowed to do it. I don't really understand the religious argument that you are playing God because isn't prolonging someone's life artificially through a life support system for an example, also playing God?
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RHP User
13 years ago
Yes!!! Although not called Euthanasia I have had to make a decision whether to turn off life support or press on with treatment knowing prognosis was poor. I chose to let my daughter go - 21 years ago tomorrow!! God Bless beautiful girl! Gypsy- Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Otori' I do however, understand the ethical dilemma that doctors must face around the question of euthanasia. They have taken an oath to preserve life and euthanasia goes directly against the preservation of life. We have to keep in mind that this oath was written about 2500 years ago. (It doesn't even swear by God, but by Apollo!) Yes the oath states: "I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect." However, it has been suggested that this passage alludes to the then common practice of using doctors as skilled political assassins. Also the word "Euthanasia" itself did not exist yet at the time the oath was written. The Hippocratic Oath also says: "And I will use treatments for the benefit of the ill in accordance with my ability and my judgment, but from what is to their harm and injustice I will keep them." So what is harm and injustice? Death or unbearable suffering?
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RHP User
13 years ago
The biggest hug xo
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RHP User
13 years ago
believer of it when the outcome of the suffering person is 100% death anyway. You can put an animal out of pain and suffering should be able to do the same to a person.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Did anyone see this when it was on recently? Terry Pratchet the author did a very thought provoking look at his own future with early on-set Alzheimer's and investigating going to another country where it is legal to euthanise. He also followed a man who did that including the part where he gives himself the medication with his wife there by his side. Must be more dignity than keeping things going just for the sake of it.I am also of the belief in that it is my life any why should anyone be able to tell me that if worse came to worse and that I was going to be in a situation where I was going to have no quality of life but had a good innings that I couldn't end things on a time of my own choosing....Just putting it out there (and please don't be offended) but a mother can make her own choice to choose to have an abortion and end a pregnancy but can't choose to legally end her own life. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.Cheers,W.
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On_Safari
13 years ago
Kids given a variety of topics, global warming, politics in oz, sustainable practices the usual and euthenasia down the bottom of the list. She was the only one who chose the topic. Close friends had "Nanna" bad with cancer, they are a traditionally bushie family (much how I picture our refined and dignified Cavey) the girls have grown up with them, bunny shooting good Friday, pigging with dogs and knives only, rooing and crabbing and fishing top spots. Knowing old fashioned values are upheld, be disrespectful or not do as your told and a swift kick up the arse followed. Nanna didn't want to be in hospital, rhe longer she was there the more panicked she became. The family took her home, she was carried down to the pub when she was up for it to have a beer and a chat, carried back home once tired. Smoked whenever she wanted and all the rellies who could came to say "See you again soon. Love you." The family were shown how to give pain relief when needed and made her as comfortable as they could. On a morning 6wks later Nanne Haze said she'd had enough and was ready to go. She was given some medicine and drifted off to sleep after getting her kisses from everyone. Peaceful, happy and dignified. "Dying with Dignity" is what my girl titled her presentation. The draft was emphatically encouraged based on that experience and her final powerpoint presentation set to music was showcased by the school. The underlying ideology begind the assignment was "quality of life" and who decides when someone else can't? And encouraged her classmates to discuss the wishes of their parents and themselves at home. My girl was so wise and compassionate and argued both sides of the debate. The class and the teacher were speechless after the presentation. My kids know what I want, what thier father wants. They've also told us what they'd like, music, place. If I go like Nanna did, not in a sterile hospital bed surrounded by people who love me at a time and a place of my choosing then that to me would be a "good" death. This life and this place is only temporal, it is not our "home"; just a step on the road to home. :-) yes, I strongly support "the right to die" given a condition and a person's strength of character and the desire to no longer see the daily sadness and pain on the faces of your loved ones and thier ongoing suffering. I don't want that for any of my dear ones, would you given there would be little to no hope? I choose a dignified end to my chapter. What about you?- Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
13 years ago
I am completely in agreement here with Euthanaisa.I saw my Grandfather go through so much suffering and lost all hope as he had no dignity left.I ask this question if any of us have a very sick pet who cannot be helped what do we do.We put them out of their suffering so realistically what is the difference.Let people die whilst they still have their dignity
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RHP User
13 years ago
Youth in Asia are brilliant, Gangnam Style was good fun !
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RHP User
13 years ago
We should leave young Asian people to their own devices..I think everyone knows what I think about this. I'm a Terry Prattchet fan.
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RHP User
13 years ago
...I was beaten to the punch (line)..~laughs~
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RHP User
13 years ago
Then we also have a right to death. If that is our wish. We should also have the right to choose the way we die. You may not be aware, but parents have the right to make the choice of palliation with their children. Sometimes that may only take a day or two if done correctly. As well as having the right to life, we have a right to quality of life. My strong personal opinion.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'gypsyblue292'Yes!!! Although not called Euthanasia I have had to make a decision whether to turn off life support or press on with treatment knowing prognosis was poor. I chose to let my daughter go - 21 years ago tomorrow!! God Bless beautiful girl! Gypsy- Posted from rhpmobile xo gypsyblue292 my father recently starved to death, he didn't even look like himself, Id like to have the choice please, I don't care what your god says because I don't believe in him. hp xo
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RHP User
13 years ago
Mmmm HP?? I agree with Euthanasia - we turned our daughter's life support off, but in this case it is not called Euthanasia. I too believe you should have had the choice to stop your father's suffering......... I am merely asking God (for want of a better word) to bless my beautiful twin daughter, that was taken so suddenly. As I hope that after all the pain and suffering she went through in her short life - she is now in a better place free from all she endured. I am sorry your father had to go through what he did 😢 Gypsy - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
13 years ago
My above post contains a quote of gypsyblues post 9and my thoughts are with her at this time) I then rambled on and made a reference to "......your god..." That was not directed toward gypsy in any way shape or form. It was merely my thoughts as to religious peoples continual interference in MY life. If people think that their invisible friend makes them be a better person then good luck to them, I do not have to live my life by their beliefs. hp xo
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RHP User
13 years ago
than death,prolonging suffering to just prolong life is cruel.
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RHP User
13 years ago
It has to be voluntary. The patient has the right to choose whether to prolong their life or to end it if there is no cure. I do not want the doctors, nurses, family members or the government to decide whether I am to live or die. That should be my own choice, make while I am of rational mind. I do not consider it suicide, so don't even bother trying to equate the two as the same thing. Euthanasia is not suicide even if it has the same outcome.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Araps' Did anyone see this when it was on recently? Terry Pratchet the author did a very thought provoking look at his own future with early on-set Alzheimer's and investigating going to another country where it is legal to euthanise. He also followed a man who did that including the part where he gives himself the medication with his wife there by his side. Must be more dignity than keeping things going just for the sake of it.I am also of the belief in that it is my life any why should anyone be able to tell me that if worse came to worse and that I was going to be in a situation where I was going to have no quality of life but had a good innings that I couldn't end things on a time of my own choosing....Just putting it out there (and please don't be offended) but a mother can make her own choice to choose to have an abortion and end a pregnancy but can't choose to legally end her own life. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.Cheers,W. If your Pre-Born you have no rights... Post- Born you only have some rights...Either way Humanity as a whole has the "Sanctity of Life" thing seriously F@#%ED Up!
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RHP User
13 years ago
I find it intriguing how pro-lifers will fight for the life of an unborn child or to stop Euthanasia. However, these same people would support wars in another country that takes countless lives. I wonder if they even realise the irony of the situation!
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RHP User
13 years ago
Like all of you, i too am in favour of it. Many with terminal illnesses take their own lives anyway, why not make it a better option for them? *****TRUE STORY****My ex boss, and still close friend was diagnosed in 2011 with pancreatic cancer, too far gone, tried chemo but was so sick he opted to stop, it was only giving him a few extra months anyway. On New Years Eve whilst down the coast with his family, he felt unwell, so his wife brought him back up to Gosford where his Dr was, they gave him some pain relief and sent him home. He insisted that she go back down the coast to pick their van up, and she agreed, promising to be back home the next day. The eldest son and his girlfriend would be home from the beach soon, to check in on him. Two hours after she'd left, just as she arrived at the campsite the Police rang her to say he had tried to hang himself, but had survived and was in hospital. He had had enough of the pain, and watching his family in pain with him. He had written a note to his wife and each of his 3 sons, carefully tied a knot, rang the Police and calmly told them his intentions, as he wanted them to find him-not his son. and he jumped off their 2nd storey balcony. Unfortunately for him, the Police arrived too quickly, with an Ambulance right behind, which had a paramedic in it who knew him. He was torn-legal obligation was to cut him down and keep him alive...personal obligation was to give him another minute to die the way he wanted, but he had no choice, they had to try and save him. He was taken to hospital, barely alive, and my friend and her kids were racing there to see him. Her eldest however returned from the beach to be greeted in his driveway by Police, Ambulance and a rope hanging-as they were waiting for photos etc to be taken for Police investigation...he put 2 and 2 together, and fell to the ground screaming. Police told him to get the hospital asap. Meanwhile my girlfriend had arrived, and had to see the man she had been with since she was 14, lying unconscious, rope marks around his neck. Machines were keeping him alive. She begged the Doctors to let him go, saying that he was trying to take matters into his own hands, and didnt want the family to suffer anymore, he wouldnt have wanted them to see him like this. They explained that they needed to do brain activity tests first.....so by now the extended family had arrived, and they sat for hours, before finally the Doctors told her he was brain dead, and she could turn the machine off. So they all said their goodbyes, and she did it. Then there was an official investigation, and the notes were kept by Police, and it dragged on for 10 days because of the New Year public holidays. Finally they could bury the man. So even though he thought he was doing them all a favour, it was a horrible time for them, not to mention the fact that they have to look at that verandah every time they drive up their driveway. Had he been able to use Euthanasia as a quicker, easier alternative, the family wouldnt have had to go through the extended dramas that they did.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Does anybody disagree with the idea ??- Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
13 years ago
The poor guy!! Where's the dignity in that!!! He should have just been allowed to go to sleep and have his family find him at rest. The sad thing here too is that his children also knew he tried to take his own life - with Euthanasia they would have been none the wiser!! Condolences - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
13 years ago
You also have the flip side where someone gets too attached and does not know how to let go. One of my dad's friends had terminal cancer and wanted to die peacefully and with dignity. He was a very proud man. The family agreed except for one son. As he was a doctor, he made sure that his father had the best medical care but could not end his own life. It was very painful for the patient, and he passed away from the cancer eventually. He passed away as a old, frail man who died a very painful death instead of going peacefully and with dignity The family was broken up because of that one decision by one son. Was the son right? was he wrong? I just hope I do not have to make such a decision and if it does happen, I can make the best decision at the time.
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RHP User
13 years ago
I'm so sorry ding and gypsy, My father had a non hodgekins tumor in his back for 2 years, but it was the melanoma on his cheek that got him. It took more than 5 years for it to be noticed by a dr, they then removed his cheek, part if his nose and jawbone and teeth, grafting a flap of skin from his thigh to replace his cheek..... Inside and outside...... Lucky for him he wasn't very hairy, but yes he had hair growing inside his mouth. His mouth was only just over 1/2 size, later extended to almost 3/4. His final 6 months were spent eating puréed food. Because of the lateness of the melanoma removal it ad spread to secondaries, lungs, liver, and we suspect brain (he was having some pretty full on hallucinations at times) I used to live in the NT, and when we got the voluntary euthanasia legislation, dad (surprisingly) was against it, but I never got to have the conversation about whether or not he reconsidered his position. Mum says that he didn't consciously starve himself, that it was more about pain, discomfort and lack of desire to eat, but in the end it was malnutrition and dehydration that caused his death. I saw him two weeks before he died, and he bounced for me, but I left wondering if I should have spoken to him about alternatives...... When my time comes, I want alternatives. Hp xo
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