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For the ladies mainly- Please explain Ample?
May 07 2009
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RHP User
17 years ago
Woman have a screwed up perception of their body type and weight - don't try and work it out because you wont - lol. All women think they are ample in some form or another. I would suggest you don't even look at the wording on body type in finding a partner whether it be casual or for a relationship. It is all about self confidence in a woman. I have met the most beautiful, sexy larger women who are wow. good luck from the woman of letgoxx
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RHP User
17 years ago
I would say, to most women...ample means they have some meat on their bones....some flesh to grab hold of. That being said...they could have a small handful or big handfuls!! It all depends on how they see themselves. I have myself as large...which i am...but i am also small waisted....so it's hard. I would prefer we could describe our own body types, rather than click on the restrictive descriptions they have here. Hope that cleared things up (a little!) for you. BJ
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RHP User
17 years ago
You put in your measurements and it draws you up. I can just imagine how many 3-legged single males there'd be tho. God I'm a nerd...
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RHP User
17 years ago
My interpretation has always been its the body size as there is a "cup size" selection.....When i first joined i struggled with this very vague description of body type because it is really left upto the persons self perception, which can be totally screwed....RHP gives us a listing for cup size, instead of all this ample, slim, a little padding stuff why not just plain old, size 10, 12, 14 etc....At least then members are given a much closer description of what it is they are getting...or not getting hehe...
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RHP User
17 years ago
i am a size 10/12 depending on which clothes i buy, and i consider myself slim, so ample to me is large, i cant give clothing size as i dont look at anything above mine. Well thats my perception. Then again hard to say as some people have themselves down as athletic and upon meeting them, lol they are no where near that. shy
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RHP User
17 years ago
my sugestion would be nickers/boxers 10-, 12-14, 16+ chest/bust 3-4 similar choices.. some people are always going to be unhappy about their shape and want to fib. but at least the rest of us can just tick the boxes so people know. LRE (92kg, 175cm high, 91cm boxers, 110cm chest)
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Mr_MrsJones
17 years ago
i agree with not2shy. There are definitely people out there who describe themsleves as ample who aren't but more often those who describe themselves as athletic or average who are definitely not. I like the idea of clothing size as an alternative but at the end of the day if people are not happy with themselves they will 'embellish' their descriptions. I guess thats what photos are for.
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RHP User
17 years ago
you'd be more than ample for me shy :)
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RHP User
17 years ago
Ok so if Ample is large. What is: a) A bit extra padding b) Large...dare I say? I would consider myself as having a bit extra padding, yet I have seem women on here who are large as in big bellied, but consider that a bit extra padding. And some women who say they are BBW are just some extra padding. Confusing! I am currently a 16-18 but working my way down. 9kgs down so far yet my build is kind of short and solid. No fat on my upper body, broad shoulders, nice boobs but from the waist to the knees is where I carry my weight. What would ppl consider my "body type" to be?
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RHP User
17 years ago
I think the "ample" refers to the amount of lying or self deception that we all do regarding our descriptions on this site. multiplied by "vagaries of different definitions of words" devided by the "time at which we last had a good look at ourselves" gives us the answers that we write. It's all to hard, we should all just give up tryin to hook up with each other and buy expensive Japanese sex dolls. At least if the dolls dont match the adds we can sue. What people say about themselves says alot more about themselves emotionally than physically so its still usefull .
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RHP User
17 years ago
What would ppl consider my "body type" to be?.... Perfectly acceptable is what I would answer. I still don't understand this bloody obsession most people have with body size. Justforfunm, you give your idea of what ample is. Well considering what today's standards are, Marilyn Munroe was 'ample' One of the most lusted after women in the world and she was a glorious size 16. I know we all have an ideal picture in our minds, but where the hell is the acceptance of the person, forget the body. It seems such a shame that by ignoring those who do not fit our ideal, there is the possibility of missing out on encountering someone who could change your world. Not necessarily in the bedroom but you could make a lifelong friend, someone who could save your life perhaps; who knows what could happen, but you would give up the possibility because they're not what you find physically attractive? Please people, yes, be honest in your profiles. Mine says I'm a large woman because I am. Ample would be someone who has curves, athletic and slim speak for themselves. But in the end, it is about what you are as a person, not what you look like. Look past sex (DON'T tell me yet again this is a sex site!) and see the person in front of your for who they really are and how your life is enriched by knowing them. Remember this little piece of advice and apply it... "Man does not live by bread alone" Guess I'll sit here and wait for my computer to self destruct now. Viking My apologies for not sticking totally to the topic.
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RHP User
17 years ago
I remember pear shaped; as described by Lusting_123 where the lower part of the tends to be bigger. And apple shaped; where the waist tends to be thicker. There are other body shapes, but can't think of them offhand. Maybe string bean :-S Ah yes, and hourglass... what? No veg? Cheers... MrsP Mwah!
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RHP User
17 years ago
other than that... I don't know and it really doesn't bother me pmsl. I have myself (12/14) as average though I guess I could be ample... mmmm....
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RHP User
17 years ago
am·ple (mpl) adj. am·pler, am·plest 1. Of large or great size, amount, extent, or capacity: an ample living room. See Synonyms at spacious. 2. a. Large in degree, kind, or quantity: an ample reward. b. More than enough: ample evidence. 3. Fully sufficient to meet a need or purpose: had ample food for the party. See Synonyms at plentiful. Ample's not all bad lmao, maybe it's just what we read into it. MrsP Being me :-Deb
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RHP User
17 years ago
Yes well I have been told I am juicy lol
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RHP User
17 years ago
I always thought ample means what it says. In relation to a person's body shape it's a measure of one's fitness for the purpose. I don't consider it a derogatory term at all.... all of the Ruben's models (that 17th Century painter.. you know the one) were clearly "ample" and so very sexy.
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RHP User
17 years ago
well said VB
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RHP User
17 years ago
Thanks for your feedback Viking, as for my version of ample - being a typical Libran male - is being as wide as you are high! Thats my interpretation, and thats ok as its my impression of ample. I would never use this site being a sex site, for an answer or reply to anyone. Let alone to someone who has the decency to reply to my topic with such thought and honesty. I make no excuses for the fact that i do need a physical attraction to someone before a relationship or physical connection is made. Not to say that i do not enjoy the company of ample people, male or female, just not in a physical sense. Size does not have anything to do with being a nice person, or sexy person, or a great friend etc.,but for me it is not a sexual turn on. My previous wife varied from a size 12 to 14, the lady of a couple we used to enjoy the company of was a size 16 to 18. but they were both 5' 8 to 5' 10, so in a sense they were weight proportioned. Out of respect, i don't message or flirt women who put their size as ample, due to my interpretation of what ample is. Now whether my interpretation is correct or not, i am not sure, hence my question. Some women with large breasts say they are ample, and i agree with alot of the comments in here. Women can be over judgemental and over crytical of their own bodies, so what chance do us mere males have? Marylin was a size 16, yet as we all know, with todays designers and the change in sizing in the fashion industry, sizes have been changed to the mindset of todays woman. For too long now the skin and bone models have been the focus of the women today. Marylin today would be closer to a 12 to 14, with her luscious curves. A size 16 today would hang off her. My question was not judegmental in anyway, just a question to find out if my interpretation was inline with other like minded people or was i out of touch with the terminology of Ample. To finish, my question was in no way meant that large people should be judged any differently to anyone else, i have many large, to ample, to bloody huge friends, who i enjoy the company of at dinner, drinks, socialising, birthdays, weddings, christianings and many more functions. but sorry not in my bed. Am i a bad person for that? i think not, are they bad people because of their size? That i know is a definite NO! Please don;t confuse my question as a judgement of size, it was and is purely to do with my libido, respect for others and my sexual appeal to others. thanks for all the feedback, and please keep it coming in a positive manner. Gary
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RHP User
17 years ago
Sorry Viking, i missed one of you valid points. "We do not live by bread alone" but for us mere males there is another cliche', which is "it is also too high off the ground to eat grass" So physical attractions do come into life, whether we like them or even dis-agree with them, but it IS a fact of life. ps - All my comments are my own and not sanctioned by Red Hot Pie or their employees in any way shape or form. Universtities like Sydeny Universitey may not use my comments in any studies, and they are not to be used by either the spelling police, the right to size movement, or the male bigotry society for any self gain at all! May God save the Queen, as i feel not even Him will save me from the critics here!!" PPSS please excuse my humour, yes i know its warped ;-)
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RHP User
17 years ago
Ok so what is big boned?
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RHP User
17 years ago
Top stuff very well put!! I have an ample chest size but a nice chunky ass to go with it hahaha Is built for speed and comfort!!! hahahahaha TIT
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RHP User
17 years ago
I just want to make a little followup on a comment Viking made above. "I know we all have an ideal picture in our minds, but where the hell is the acceptance of the person, forget the body." Since when did physical attractiveness become politically incorrect? We all know the saying "beauty is only skin deep" and other such sayings. And of course I agree that the character of a person is not necessarily reflected in what their external appearance may be. But IMO attractiveness can't be just dismissed as something shallow and unimportant. There are all sorts of aspects to a person: appearance, character, mannerisms, opinions, beliefs, attitude ... all of these are important in making someone "attractive" to another and none of them is necessarily less important than the other. We will all 'weight' them (pun not intended) in different ways for different reasons. (NB: I'm not trying to pick on you VB, I just used your comment as a jumping off point for my discussion here. No offence intended.) If you're looking for someone to jump into the sack with, why wouldn't you want somebody that looks good to you? We are visual creatures after all, that can't be denied. Sure, person X might be the most wonderful, loving, caring person in the world but if you look at them and go "ewwww" then you're probably not going to want to do the horizontal polka with them regardless of how much you appreciate them as a person. Yet sometimes it seems that declaring physical attractiveness as an important factor in choosing said polka partner can get one lambasted as sexist or insulting. Why? Don't tell me that every single person here doesn't make some effort to make themselves physically attractive to others, whether that be selecting clothes that they like (and think others will like), doing your hair, putting on some makeup, etc etc. If it was that unimportant we wouldn't do that stuff, right? Anyway, getting back to the point: ample. Some people will find 'ample' attractive, some won't. But why should someone's choice either way on that be condemned if that's what they choose to make their decision on, either partly or wholly? There are plenty of female profiles for example that request well-hung men only, 7 or 8"+ say; yet it could be argued that penis size is not a measure of the man as a whole and thus someone making a polka partner decision on schlong size could easily be missing out on a potential lifelong friend etc etc. Yet I rarely, if ever, see this pointed out as being a problem compared to the brouhaha that can flare about the merits of physical beauty when they're both, technically, merely external physical attributes. Ramble/rant over - I'm clearly very much in friday mode!
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RHP User
17 years ago
OK....if we are going to talk about purely sexual attractiveness....then I would say...I like a man that is tall and on the solid side....think front rower....and...I like a guy with a big cock. Now...that is a first glance, get-my-panties-wet kind of attraction. Does not necessarily mean I will end up fucking them, BUT....what keeps my interest is....a man or woman that is witty....sincere....funny....loyal.....honest. So while I agree that physical attraction is important....mental attraction is what really does it for me. I have met the most physically attractive people that get uglier with every word....while the ones I am initially not attracted to somehow get better and better the more I interract with them! Ahh...the fickle ways of attraction heh? This is just my opinion. BJ
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RHP User
17 years ago
AMPLE means LARGE. Opposite to SLIM Regardless. :)
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RHP User
17 years ago
Iv been on both side of the fence when it comes to been ample in a size 18 right down to a size 10.The reaction and attuide of people when it comes to body size is disgusting and shallow to think people will not talk to u based on your body size is rude. Lets but a question out there how do we react to people who have lost a limb do we react any different are they any less a person because they r not whole the same goes for ample woman. In today image on how woman should be and act is real for the men so they can hang of their arm like eye candy. All i have to say is stand proud woman You r all beautiful in gods eye and there is someone out there who loves u for who u r it doesnt mater what shape u r. If someone doesnt want to know u because u r not an elle well their lost their world is just that little bit empty and sad without u in it kepp smiling ample laids
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RHP User
17 years ago
good feedback guys thank you, i have to reiterate, my question had nothing to do with socialising or talkning or not to people who are not an Elle, sexuality is a personal taste. as is respect, i do not message couples who are not looking for single guys, women who i don't fit their wants and desires, and don't want to waste peoples time and make contact with someone who through ignorance or miss understanding the meaning of her body size. maybe RHP, who does read these forums take all the positive comments on board and re-thinks its body choices on here. if this was a social site, i don't believe body would even be an option. i agree body shapes and sizes should never be a judge of a persons character or whether someone should associate with them. but i was taught very early in my swinging and sexual life by a couple on here "this is too personal a lifestyle, to take things personally" good advice i think.
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RHP User
16 years ago
if i see ample on a profile, i class that as being xlarge like a size 20+.some girls i have seen on web cam are way bigger then wat they say though, so wat do u do wen ppl can not be honest.i am size 12 to 14 and am tall so that also makes a difference on how the fat is proportioned over ur body lol some gals that have said they r 12 r way bigger HONESTY PPL PLEASE lol
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razor2000
16 years ago
There is a option there to put down your height so why not one for weight too...............seems that the problem is that everyone has a different oppinion on what the descriptions actually mean
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RHP User
16 years ago
Ample means you fat, for fuck sake people, problem solved
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RHP User
16 years ago
well said sweetie... body size counts for nothing.. same as the colour of our skin.. its whats inside that counts.. BBW here......and happy xx
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RHP User
16 years ago
The simple solution is as mentioned to have a spot for weight. Most other sites do so why not here. Even that can be misleading to some degree though. At least then if you see a profile with someone saying they are 5'5 and 100kg calling themselves athletic you know they are kidding themselves. Another solution is good pictures. Instead of someone using just a head shot or body part shot, how about a pic of the full person in a pose that doesn't hide anything clothed or otherwise. No FGAS which are so prevalent. As to what females consider ample, have a look at the pics of some that describe themselves that way. For most they are what I would consider to be just under large. Give those girls credit for not putting down average which quite a few girls I would class as Large do, some also seem to think a beer belly is athletic. There is the exceptions with women that would by all means be classed as average but for some reason see themselves as being more and putting extra padding or ample when they really don't need to. It is a rarer case though. On the listings it shows the order average - ample - a little extra padding - Large. I think a lot of people consider ample and a little extra padding to be pretty much the same thing. Some probably consider ample to be past a little extra padding. If we were to talk clothing size it would probably work out something like this; Thin <8 Slim 8-12 Average 10-14 Ample 14-16 ALEP 14-16 Large 16+ Some overlap because it depends on the body but that is my guestimate
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RHP User
16 years ago
Mr here with my 2 cents worth ...it's funny reading all the excuses for being over wieght and how we discribe ourselves....both men and women......Lets face it ....Ample=FAT...simple....there are many web sites that tell you what your ideal weight to height should, be but people seem to ignore that??? and make every excuse under the sun as to why they are not in that range.... have a look at this site.... (mydr.com.au/tools/IdealWeightCalculator)
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RHP User
16 years ago
I don't care what you call yourself, if your not athletic then I'm not interested, a girl has to be able to keep up and hold her own. I've seen a couple of girls who I considered athletic but thought of themselves as average so I listed average and slim in my preferences since I don't think most girls know how to rate themselves, so if you don't know then just put down your height and weight and let the bloke work it out. cheers, RHG
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RHP User
16 years ago
So many people are so hung up on size they dont see beyond that!! All I can say is your loss!! REAL PEOPLE ROCK!
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RHP User
16 years ago
Nice link coastcouple. I sit smack bang in the middle of ideal weight...sweet. Although BMI is not perfect here is what it defines the levels at and in brackets what it may relate to in regard to the levels on here BMI Name < 18.5 Underweight (Thin/Slim) 18.5 - 25 Normal (Average) 25 - 30 Overweight (Ample/A little extra padding) Above 30 Obese (Large) Above 35 Severely obese (Large) Above 40 Morbidly obese (Forget it) I also found a table with weight of white females from America. It also lists the average height at around 165cm. Another site in Australis lists Aussie women average weight in 04-05 at 67.7kg but that is over all age groups so looks close to the same. Age: Average weight 20 to 29 yrs 59.8 30 to 39 yrs 65.5 40 to 49 yrs 67.7 50 to 59 yrs 71.7 60 to 69 yrs 68.9 There is some good data there with male data as well if you want to look. (www.halls.md/chart/height-weight.htm) Well thats a few stats to think over
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RHP User
16 years ago
Everyone has there own perception as to what they look like but what we see of ourselves isnt nessesarily what others see of us . There are times when i look in the mirror and think hmm you look pretty good today yet there are other times i think geesus woman take alook at ya self will ya .... Trying to judge your own appearance is a difficult thing to do for a woman and and i presume for a man too ... so its best just to get out amongst it and judge for yourself because the ones you decide not to meet because of what they "think" there size is may be someone you could have had as a new friend or a lover or even the one you have been searching for you never know . So get out to the meet n greets get to know people find out what they are all about and if ya lucky have a little fun along the way ...:)
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RHP User
16 years ago
I was reading this post with great interest, but now that it just got abusive and rude, with people bringing facts and figures into it like they explain everything about being overweight, degrading people based on weight with their own judgemental gripes. I had to weigh in, (pardon the pun). Do you all think we so called fatties are dumb? We all sit and eat our selves stupid each day and do nothing. Someone said in a post that a girl "has to keep up". I swim 2.5kms a day. Can you do that, with the equivilent of another person strapped to your back, you judgemental tosser? Fat people don't need the pressure of other people telling them they are fat on them, we already know, you arseholes. We get judged daily by you so called "beautiful people", whom I don't find attractive at all. I was friends with someone for a while who, in time, revealed his true feelings about me... he couldnt even be just friends with me because of my size. I wasn't after him in a sexual way, just wanted to be friends, and this person actually told me that he couldn't be friends with me, be seen with me, cause it would ruin his reputation. I decided I didn't want to be friends with someone like that. I still don't want to be friends with people who judge me basd on what I look like, not who I am as a person. From the responses from some people, I wouldnt want to be friends with you either, and thats your loss, not mine. I can lose weight, in fact I am, I gained weight after a spinal fracture and other injuries left me with a diminished capacity to exercise how I like to....so how are you gonna change your bigotted, discriminatory ways. They are a learned behaviour, not a genetic pre-disposition. People gain weight if they are genetically pre-disposed to it, not just if they are lazy arse. I know dome really skinny chicks who are lazy as, dont exercise and look like shit. At least I am fit and toned to an extent. So how will I know your no longer a dickhead? I know.....You can wear a sign that says, "I accept everyone, as they are, no matter what they look like, and accept I'm not perfect either." Just like how our bodies tell everyone, "we are not perfect, we have flaws, but we don't judge you based on your thinness or your attractiveness" We just like to be ourselves. Attractiveness these days is based on how you look. Maybe you need to stop looking at what fake, airbrushed magazines and TV is showing you and get out into the real world a bit. You might even find nice new friends. I won't be one of them. Your attitudes turn me right off.
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RHP User
16 years ago
I've been wathching this post for a few days and following the different responses. It occurs to me that while many of us have a distorted view of our bodies both good and bad, very few people have any understanding why. At the risk of Hijacking Dazze's post again, I wanted to offer a uniquq perspective as I'm both an amply proportioned larger lady with some extra padding...and a professional counsellor. In my practice I have seen all shapes and sizes of people both men and women. Very rarely either in practice or in my research have I come across a larger person who said to themselves one day, "I think I'll become obese and eat vast amounts of food." What I have seen is a woman who from the age of 7 to 17 was raped by her father.....she ate food so that she could become as unnattractive as possible in the hope that not only would her father stop abusing her, but other men would not even try. I had a client for many years who was athletic and stunning. She remained that way because as a child she had been obese because of the family lifestyle she grew up in. She was so terrified of gaining weight that her exercise had become an obsession, an addiction. She would skip work in order to go to the gym.....break dates in order to go to the gym....go when she had the flu....go when she was in pain and her trainer told her to rest. She had actually ruined her joints because she over-excercised so much. I have counselled people who have used weight to make themselves invisivible, protect themselves from life. I have counselled skinny people who are addicted to sex and attention as a way of coping with life. Normally sized women who binge and purge as a way of maintainng their body size. In answer to all of those who have posted size charts etc as a way of having a not so sublte go at "ample" women......it isn't always what you see. Under the surface of even the most beautiful bodies is a whole lot of pain, shame and fear going on. For some people, using food as a way of self medicating is as addictive as over-exercise, drugs, cigarettes or alcohol. Tossing a size chart in their face is not going to help them. A pretty body does not always contain a pretty heart. As far as preferences go...absolutley...I get that. Not everyone is into ample women. I don't have a problem with that. I also know many men who are not into skinny women....so in the end it all balances out. I just wanted to have my say about the simplistic and largely ignorant response of some people as to why body size may be a struggle for a lot of women.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Possum, I am so glad you have put all of this into perspective. I believe that beauty is more importantly held on the inside. A hot stunner, either male or female, can look awesome, but can be a down and outright prick. Relationships are not meant to revolve around a handbag scenario, being with someone and putting up with their shit just because they look good. Oh and just another quick one, as for all the size charts and ideal weight for age scenarios, I do not consider myself to be overweight, but according to the weight, age, and size charts I am obese! Figure that those of you who know and have met me! If I was to be in the weight range suggested, I would look like I was on my death bed! Go figure! Everyone has a healthy balance that is right for them and their bodies. Some are big and some are small but like I said, its whats on the inside that is the most important, not a number. Cheers Halo xxxx
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RHP User
16 years ago
Jeeze, seems a few people are touchy. I posted those figures which were sourced from online, I did not make them up myself, they are used in general practice by medical practioners, the military, fitness centers and probably others as well. I only posted them to gain some perspective, I was not trying having a go at anyone no matter what weight they are. So lighten up a bit. Everyone is different, some look better with a bit more weight and some don't. The original question was regarding what people thought Ample was aimed at. All I did was show what the outside world has catergorised different weights with heights to be and the average weights for all women. Obviously there is a large range, that was the middle point. If you are over it you may also be over the average height and should weigh more. I've been with women that have ranged from 45kg to 103kg, so you cannot say I'm biased.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Halo, if you are, according to those charts, obese, honey, I wanna look like you. If thats what obese looks like these days, bring it on. Lovenlust, You post weight and BMI charts in this forum like most of us fatties we don't already know what our ideal weight and size is and your calling those of us offended by that as touchy..... Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa. Yes, contrary to popular belief we have brains that we actually use, we understand what BMI and weight range charts are for and who they are used by, but as I so rightly said in a previous post, being over weight is predisposed to a number of different factors. I, for example, come from well built country folk, have strong healthy dense bones and my muscles tend to bulk when I do exercise. I'm never gonna be my "normal" weight to height ratio because I just will not ever be able to lose the weight from my bones. Australia is offically the Fattest nation in the world, with 26% of our total population considered obese or morbidly obese. Thats 26% of the australian population who every day, wishes they where thinner, even in the tiniest region of their mind. That self doubt is put into our heads by people who say things like, "oh your great how you are, but I bet you'd look better losing a few kilo's", or " no, I accept you for who you are, you've got a great personality, but I am only interested in you as a friend." You want someone to lose weight to look better for you, then YOU should support and encourage them by helping to motivate them when they don't want to exercise, or are feeling depressed about something that happened at work or school and talk it through with them, take their mind of it and help them to think of food as nourishment, not punishment or reward. If you really like/love a person, as a friend, lover, fuck buddy, whatever, I would be thinking that supporting someone through the tough times is what makes those bonds grow stronger. We don't do enough these days to support one another. Diets do not work. They switch on the bodies famine switch and our bodies go automatically into famine mode, and hang on to every single calorie we intake. Smaller meals, more frequently through the day, healthy, good clean food, lots of fruit and vegies, lean protiens and regular cardovascular and weight bearing exercise, even if it only is 5 minutes a day to start with, that is what does it. If there is anyone who ever wants to talk to someone who's going through needing to lose mega weight, or even just 10 kilos.... contact me, I'm there for ya
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RHP User
16 years ago
As a point of interest any guy who has spent more than a couple of years training in a gym will tell you those bmi calculations are no good indication .... muscle is heavy. your tape measure is your friend. As for being fat .... Well I gotta say having fat is essential for you to survive. Too much is unhealthy though. So what's unhealthy? Just measure your waist and your butt. If your waist circumference is greater than your butt circumference then you should do something to try prevent heart disease in future. Ample to me means that you're comfortable with your body image and I find that an attractive trait.
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