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Girls Play Guys Watch WTF!! What about We All Play!
November 22 2009
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RHP User
16 years ago
Andy. Sounds like he is straight so no MM. If he likes to watch then fine. I Like to watch too. Of course the watching follows joining the 2 girls and if he wants to watch then fine. Not intersted if its only FF. Mars
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RHP User
16 years ago
Andy, Andy, Andy...Sometimes a couple do just like girl on girl action.Yes, it sometimes seems hard to understand that they guys dont touch or get involved, but that is their rules.There are a lot of couples out there that only do that.I think what that couple is talking about is same room sex.The girls play,the guys watch and then maybe you just all fuck your own partners without the guys touching the other girls etc.This is very common in the lifestyle is what John and I only do too.You see i don't have any interest at all in another guy touching me at all, in fact it is not something that i am interested in at all now days.I have done pretty much everything and this is my and Johns and Bryans rules now with regards to me.The simple solution is to play with a single lady, but then there are those negatives about that as well,if you are not a very , very secure couple in your relationship.In the lifestyle usually the women run the rules, as bad as it is for guys to understand this, it is simply the truth.There are not too many men out there that make the rules in this lifestyle, yes they have a say, but in the end it seems from our side looking on....that women rule the scene and the guys must do what they want.You see i think the guys in relationships never want to fuck it up,and will do anything the lady says to make sure they actually get some fun out of it..lolCouples that only play with ladies simply don't want guys touching the lady, and that is their rules and that is fine.I am one of them.In fact where i am at now, a guy touching me makes me go...ewwww......no thanks.I am so over that side of it. And i would never allow that to make the other couple happy to play with us, it is simply not on!No guy touches me ever.....only my guy!!!!John and I played once with a couple , we made ourselves very clear,the guy was not to touch me....no matter what.But in the end the guy just had to put his hand on me didnt he....well hence to say....i got up and we finished playing.It is a shamem, as the rules were very clear.Now i like to lick pussy just as much as anyone, and i think the thought of me and another lady playing while John and or Bryan look on and then fuck me later is the hottest thing out.Sometimes my guys will touch and fuck me while i lick another girl or play with another girl and that is the hottest thing.But, having said all that now, after years and years on the scene, i must say...Playing is simply not that important to us, so if someone did not want to play by our rules, we simply dont care, we dont play or bother, cause at the end of the day, all that matters is US....and we dont care to play the game of cat and mouse to make sure that the other person is fully into following our rules, all we care about are OUR rules and if the other couple or single is not prepared to play by our rules, we simply dont give a shit...we wont play.It is simply not that important to us to have play and fun times with others.What is the most important thing to us , is US and our connection after play, and that is ....talkng about what just happened in each others ears, while being fucked by my wonderful guys....it is the hottest thing......Leesa
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RHP User
16 years ago
Too right! Are they slaves to their women and their sexuality? I don't get it either. I mean for starters two lads sitting around naked together .... doing nothing? .... and watching the greatest show on Earth!!! Ffs... I couldn't keep my hands of neither them or you, lol. So the rules are Sophie and Sal play while Andy and Gaz watch? Lol. Can you imagine it? it would be like "on the count of three Andy, Ready? one wooohhoooo! No Andy! Bad Andy!! Please Andy, untie me first :p you selfish bugga... leaving me here bound and blindfolded.... you mongrel ... hehe. The least you can do is let me lick some armpits... lol. Andy? Someone? Hello? Hugs Gaz
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RHP User
16 years ago
Hi Sal and Andy, We dont go for same sex play but whilst saying that we only play same room and like four way play just not with the same sex. We have had those conversations as well mainly on MSN and have good friends that like to play girl on girl, guys watching and when the girls want the guys they say ...ok you can join us now. But when we play with them they are not the rules and whilst we have played with them 4-6 times it ends up not so good, we think the underlying reasons are She doesnt like seeing her husband f... another lady coupled with she really prefers ladies. Thats their call its a pity because we get along really well in all other areas. We have suggested to them friends only, no playing now, which is hard once you have played and we know that they want to play with us. (Guess she is hoping we will turn Bi ...that might happen one day but its not a high priority for us) Other interesting conversations on MSN again has included.....You can have sex with my wife but I only want to give it to your wife up the arse....that was pretty much the end ...we dont do anal! We then ended the conversation with a cya. Then there are the contacts that end up saying I want to have sex with your wife but my wife wont do that....Our responce to that one is.....Well mate you dont f,,, my wife unless I f,,,, yours. That normally ends the conversation pretty quick! Our last conversation on MSN was with a couple that the guy had problems showing us a photo...three weeks later when we next spoke he puts one up....Wife here said yuck no way....a photo with front teeth missing and their profile said he was caucasion but...definately not....So we just said..."We have to go" deleted and blocked. The ones that just sign out without ending a conversation...we send them a message saying "We consider it very rude just to sign out without saying bye" ....hey the internet seems to have a habit of just dropping out...Do u believe it? So Sal and Andy you are going to get all types of responces from people way different to yourselves, sometimes we wonder if swingers (as in partner swapping) is by far the minority on these sites when you consider the amount of couples unsure...lose their nerve...the guys pretending to be a couple and the bi couples where the number one reason for playing is same sex play. Couplesint comment above is valid as well thats when its up front, but when we read their profile the box is ticked "swap partners for sex" which has left us wondering why the contradiction or do they really mean...Can we f..... your wife but you cant f.... ours? The girls are in control, making the rules is a joint effort we find its best to talk our expectations thru with other couples so a good night is had by all......Have you had the reponce where there is a reluctance to openly discuss things and get "We go with the flow" we think thats a reason for caution as well. Cheers
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RHP User
16 years ago
especially when they want a couple,in a similar situation andy, hubbys said wtf do i do, i dont want to be bored all night? lolbut single women are a rarity so i guess they go for a couple.
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RHP User
16 years ago
I guess it's just the presumption that if the girls are going to play infront of me that i'm going to get all compliant. Don't order me about, if sal is on the bed with you and I'm hanging back then go for it. Go for your life. But it's not a bargaining chip to lure me to bed. It's annoying to assume that it is. It just comes down to this, I don't want a second woman bossing me around in the bedroom. No I will not sit quietly, I will not comply, I will not conform, and yes it might be damn hot to see you two get it on because I know i want to go there big time, but now you've tried to tell me to stand back, I'm going to walk away!! I'll give you another example of assumptions and other peoples rules - Couple B chatting to us on MSN. they are north side and want to meet. They say 'we don't play on first met but we do give oral- that's our rule.' okay cool, but sal and I get two nights a month (if that) to play and when we go out to play we want to play - no holds barred, no beg your pardons. It's fair enough that that is their rule, but it's not our rule. We at least like people to be 'open to playing on first meet'. I then suggest lets met at C.I it's in the middle of where we all our, neutral territory, great music and a great place for first meets (and second and third). You play or you don't play, either way there are always usually bonus prizes :P the response 'Oh we don't go to clubs like that, that's our rule' I say 'C.I is great, we are always made to feel welcome and there’s no pressure. It's better than most other clubs and you always feel welcome by the owners.' True story, as a side toSal and I met people all the time that swing and don't go to the best swingy club in brissy... what the hell is with that!! Anyway They come back with this suggestion and I remind you that a place to go with beds, condoms and closed rooms has just been offered. They say and I quote verbatim "if you like on the first date we can go to the cars and do oral ONLY in or around the cars that is" I say 'I'm sorry we don't play in cars that's our rule!" I'm like you Leesa if it's too much like hard work I'm not even bothering these days. Plus in response to what you wrote, about not wanting guys to touch you. It happens all the time with me, we play with couples and I say to the lady and the guy and sometimes to sal 'please don't touch me' and you know they always do... i just put on my clothes and walk out!! :P Even Gaz is mentaly gropeing me as he's reading this... !!! As for you Gaz, you know what Sal and I are going to do before we meet you and sophie. Just to make it all do decadent. We are going to go to the gym and have a big long workout and make sure we don’t use deodorant. Then we will pick you and Sophie up at the airport for our rocca roman orgy (At the sunshine coast in Jan 2010 check out events listing) So taken with lust for each other we all rush off to the airport security for a cavity search (after handing ourselves in for inspection) Just as the burly security guys is applying the lube, Sal and I will stand either side of you and raise our armpits for you to sniff and lick .... oh time for you to bend over “sir’ says the customs officers. Sal, Sophie and I are giggling because as he’s doing the deep cavity search he puts both his hands around your hips!! Anyway time for normal life, school drop offs and gym.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Okay okay Andy....you are still on the short list for one year Free entry, and Bryan said Sal is definetly on his short list..But of course there is nothing in that for you..lol as we all could only do is watch..lol
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RHP User
16 years ago
hehe.. Yeah, I'm well over the "let's see how difficult we can be to make this meeting" kind of people... lmfao... The "let's meet and if we like we can swap blow jobs in cars"???? lmfao... that's the kind of activity that happens "by accident" down at the supermarket after spending an hour groping vegetables..... but it's hardly what I would call an easy going plan for a hook up. Meet at a Sex on Premises joint or party event. Simple, convenient, safe and there's always some extra company on tap if you want it.. .and if you aren't enjoying yourself you can always say "next". ;p OK.. yum. I melt into a submissive when you talk about armpits like that Andy.... and a roman toga party early next year.. lolz.. I can handle that. Soph? Can I go? Please love? I promise to behave... :p. You know how much I love to wear the bedsheets and parade around the house pretending to be Calligula, my princess. Oh gawd... I can hardly wait. All those squelching sandles and so many rings to kiss, so little time! Hugs Gaz
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RHP User
16 years ago
Of course you can go bebe... but only if I'm cumming wth you... we're married now... what's yours is mine and all that :P LOL Andy... I understand a bit of your frustration... when my ex partner introduced me to this lifestyle, I had many very very clear rules too... No guys except my own... I expected the other guy to be 100% voyeur... while I enjoyed playing both with the other girl and watching my man with her as well.... you'd be surprised how many agreed to that... many more than we actually ended up playing with... I think that if the rules are clear up front and everyone agrees then it's all good.... I worry that rants and comments like yours and the ones above are quite conter-productive to people considering joining this fantastically rewarding lifestyle as we come across as being incredibly intolerant of anyone different to ourselves.... not good. Every single one of us has limits and rules. Couples thinking of joining us for fun and so-called "newbies" should be encouraged by positive posts and not deterred by such negative ones.... Just my humble opinion... xxx
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RHP User
16 years ago
Girl on girl action only to tease .. you got to wonder who is controlling that situation... (it would be the husband of the other couple). If people are into swinging it should be swap... thats what swinging is all about unless you go for a single person. But you even do have these couples that will only play with each other, but wish to meet and other couples.. now is that swinging?? I dont think so. Trying to weed out the true of exactly what they want and not pretend to want something else to rope others in... thats a very hard task to forefill. Maybe you should have met them... played with Sal.. and teased her - the other women -.. by saying .. you only get this (the pussy) when I have totally satisfied Sal and myself.... (just a thought). But you will always find there will be someone trying to call the shots.. rather than a partnership of agreement.
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RHP User
16 years ago
We are with you Sal and Andy. We found a excellent reference when we were considering swinging we both read twice its called. "Swinging with Safety" by Robert and Nancy Alder a manual of sexual sharing for couples 300 pages. They are based in Florida and run a swing club just for committed couples ....before you are invited to attend one of their parties you must complete their 4 hour course with other couples that involves topics like sexual sharing of your partner....whether you are actually ready for the lifestyle....jealously etc. If anyone cannot find "Swinging with Safety" we can let you know where to get a electronic version. This to us is real swinging with real couples we follow most of their reccomendations after all they have been doing this for over 15 years and introduced hundreads of couples into the lifestyle...seen what causes failures so we figure we might as well learn from their experiances. We were so impressed when we emailed the authors Robert and Nancy about a couple rules we were talking thru and they took the time to answer in detail....even though we are on the other side of the world! Cheers
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RHP User
16 years ago
SalAndy, clearly nothing has changed since I used to swing with a friend as a couple. We came across the same issues all the time. I think it is probably best not to chat on MSN, but rather exchange numbers and actually chat. As for the couple who wanted oral in a car,I think you will find that she was not really into it and in the car she would have been able to get around not doing too much. Cars!!!!!!!!! Don't you just hate the thought of the mention of them?? I have gotten to the point where i now send out a message which says all plus "Not the back seat of the car or the office desk!!!!!!!!" there are some cheap selfish dudes out there. We also used to have the problem of meeting another couple and she would say yes she was into it all and once playing started she would just stop. I figured in those instances she was not into it and was going along to keep hubby happy. Needless to say, I always stopped in those situations. In the end we just attended clubs cos if you play with a couple and it is not working out then there are plenty more to choose from. Better still with luck, a whole heap of people on the floor!!!!!!!!
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RHP User
16 years ago
Go Andy Go Andy (chanted in an Oprah kinda way!) Although we are ok that there are people that don't like seeing the boys get in on the action we do feel that MOST of the time the reasons are that there isn't that same level of trust between the couple as a couple that love to see each other get completely involved. It's so stressful to have to remember a list of "don'ts" that these couples come with...can I put a hand here, is a peck on the cheek ok...what if my cock brushes past her leg. It's often just not worth the hassle! That said when we have played, we don't always end up doing everything on the inventory. Sometimes we're all having so much fun that we fall asleep realising we've just had 5 hours of foreplay. This is great! More to explore next time maybe? One drawback to the full swap though is the tit for twat rule that states "If you touch my woman this way then I have to touch yours the same". This gets a real pain in the arse (well pussy actually) if say one guy is hard and rockin and the other is having a soft night. Poor softy thinks since the other fella has reached the big O that he deserves the same and uses the newly presented female bits to flog it to an unsatisfactory death. We prefer to meet a couple that is open to all kinds of fun but don't really expect everything to be on offer every time. It's nice to just go with the flow so too many precoital rules really does put a dampener on things. Just our views of course!
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RHP User
16 years ago
WTF ... Is this not a place created for people wanting to meet likeminded couples / singles etc .. ??? Of course it is.. So if you have a partner ' whats all this rubbish about girls play and the guys watch only ? Im with SalAndy... You girls wanting to get your rocks off for your own selfish reasons and expecting your man to sit there and watch you have a good time ?.. Hello... Plenty of equality in that huh ... I dont think. Quote" I only want to play with her because I dont like being bonked by another man ?... HUH ? Why marry or have a man in your life in the first place if you dont like bonking men ? ... and guys who are happy to sit there and go along for the ride ? WTF. ??? OK I might be a lil old fashion' but as much as I dont mind watching gurls enjoy themselves' Im not there to be a spectator .. if I want to do that ' I'll ask' or I'll go watch the football... Cmon guys' stand ur ground..
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RHP User
16 years ago
Here we go again, lets all check out couplesint profile and make sure it is very accurate...lolLeesaandjohn is our other profile..and it is clear as well.Sorry if i neglected to change a part of our profile when we changed our rules..i will get right onto it....pmslBut if you read the profile throughout, it is actually very clear...Never mind i will log off now...We know our rules and that is really all that matters...US.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Well im one of those guys who loves to watch two women together (Leesa and another woman). I will usually try and stay out of the way and let the girls play, sometimes i will join in a little depending on their rules. Like leesa said playing isnt really that important to us. If their boundaries dont match yours move on and find another couple
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RHP User
16 years ago
Of course you have your rules and i dont think anyone is specifically directing any comments at you, but from what i recall reading in previous posts, you have been swinging for quite a number of years and I guess no doubt at some stage you possibly did do the couple swap thing, so after all these years, you probably don't mind or even want, but some of the people on here haven't been swinging that long and they want to try these things out. Obviously they just need to keep on looking and searching until they find a couple or couples who match what they are looking for.
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RHP User
16 years ago
OOPs i should not have changed that...you see as our profile states on couplesint..... profile....bryan does play with ladies...so i suppose we do swap partners, cause one of my partners does swap..lol enough.....Lets get back onto subject at hand.. Leesa
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RHP User
16 years ago
That is the number one rule in swinging its all about our primary relationship. It applies to every couple..... Just be honest folks.... All four play and swap Or just the two ladies play Or the three out of four play but you cant touch my wife. Just tell us in your profile. This is what this thread really comes to??? We are a all four play but if we are going to play with each others partners ...lets make it fair and equal swap / play. And so what if four in a bed and his cock brushes against my knee....that stuff should be well sorted before playing. We wish everyone the best in finding compatable company. Cheers
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RHP User
16 years ago
The thing I've noticed is there are lots of very submissive guys in the scene. I don't mean they necessarily like to be tied up and called a little bitch (well.. not physically or verbally anyway) but that they let the woman just totally dominate all decisions and interactions. It's pretty easy to spot these couples and most times I just stay away because it's more drama than it's worth. Same with couples with really controlling guys. Total waste of time. Yes, your wife is hot, but the thing that makes you two so attractive as a couple is you come across as a team with no drama, bullshit or double-standards.
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RHP User
16 years ago
We dont want to scare off newbies and we dont want to upset anybody....Oh No :( All these people cheering go SalAndy! This is a post by Andy, fyi...don't crucify me by association :P Don't agree with Andy for goodness sake, you all know it just makes my job harder!! Sheesh. What frustrates me is when it is not stated on a persons or couples profile what they do or don't do, or they state they do swap or kiss or whatever, but in reality don't...and this i think is where Andy is coming from. Particularly when we have been quite specific in our profile about what we want and still we get flirts from people that clearly did not care to read it. Oh and Leesa you say: "What is the most important thing to us , is US and our connection after play, and that is ....talkng about what just happened in each others ears, while being fucked by my wonderful guys....it is the hottest thing......" I totally get that, this is how we started and this is what we always do, be it relive a fun experience talking about it in a sexy moment, swapping our fantasies as dirty talk, or sometimes even just driving home after the fact we find we can talk quite easily about what we liked and what we didn't. Each to their own. We too have our rules limits and boundries(well I do anway), they have changed and evolved overtime and may continue to do so....I think, be upfront about what it is you are looking for, do not think you are narrowing your chances if your profile does not appeal to everybody, infact, by being upfront you are saving yourself a heck of alot of time. xx Sal
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RHP User
16 years ago
Quoting 'couplesint' Here we go again, lets all check out couplesint profile and make sure it is very accurate...lolLeesaandjohn is our other profile..and it is clear as well.Sorry if i neglected to change a part of our profile when we changed our rules..i will get right onto it....pmslBut if you read the profile throughout, it is actually very clear...Never mind i will log off now...We know our rules and that is really all that matters...US. COUPLESINT,Agree with you guys totally,JUSTJUICE & others maybe you need to respect other peoples boundaries.I the female have no desire what so ever to be touched by another guy,thats my rule.Most couples we have met respect that.Some of the comments on here,just wondering if you would actually say what some have wrote on here ,Face to face to others?????????????????????Some how i dont think so,So easy to hide n write behind a computer.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Yes Sal , we have no right to judge others rules...all that matters is our own rules.That is why us ( 3 ) of us and in the first instance Bryan and I , have lasted so long on the scene.Dont be so selfish people and expect others to join in the fun that you want to.It simply may not be in their rules, and that is fine, it is no skin off your nose...MOVE on and find a couple that suits YOUR rules.It is really not much more complicated than that.And the lifestyle is about respect!!!! so we should respect eachothers rules and leave it at that.
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RHP User
16 years ago
It seems to me that everyone is understanding the thread and it's not about hiding behind keyboards or being all 'brave' in the forums. This is about sharing ideas and discussing things. Don’t' think for a second that Sal and I as a couple would not respect other peoples rules. I don't think anyone on here has said or even considered that bullying another couple into submission would ever be an acceptable option (unless they wanted you to and it was one of their things :P) MY post and what I think what most of what people are understanding is this. If you don't want a guy to touch you cause guys are just so yucky and have alien sticky outty bits. Make sure you make that VERY clear when contacting a COUPLE that this is the way you role. If for example you did say that upfront to us, then we would say thank you for your interest and honestly, but it’s not for us. Good luck. Our profile does say FFM (bi) and Sal is down as experimental but to her (And honey correct me if I’m wrong - cause I know you will) Playing with the ladies is a entree and dessert. The last thing she wants is some heavy handed girly dragging her off for some 'girlfriend time and trying to stick her tongue down her throat. She likes to play with me and share this as a couple. She might want to tease me with the right girls, but that's her call, on the night, in the moment. We have come across some 'sisterhood' ladies who seem to think that bossing me around on our first meet to be acceptable. It’s not. Or they show ME no interest and then expect me to just be lured like their the Pied Piper into whatever direction they blow their flute. To which I give a polite “piss off” One of the best nights we had was with a couple, we had before hand chatted on the cam, done some rules discussions and they respected our rules and we respect them... their rule was about STI tests our rule was about no separate room play, no smoking around us etc. All very important to both couples. Everything was understood and the date was set. We met, Mrs sexypants flirted with me (intentionally or not but she did have some wicked looks thrown my way when the conversation got onto her undies) Sal's hand ran up my thigh throughout the night and I was in heaven. Over dinner, we drank, flirted and laughed and we walked back to the hotel horny as hell. We all liked each other as individuals and respected each other as couples. We played, I started with sal, and the girls kissed while the boys did their thing with their own partner. This went on for a little while and then we swapped. It was all equal, we went back now and again, touched based with our lovely ladies and so it went on. Ending with Sal and I back together. They left with wobbly knees, sal and i played again, and then again in the morning. Our rule is, we start together we finish together. We are meeting them again very soon, and I know for a fact because we have established such a nice friendship with them, the girls might just run away from the boys giggling and us boys would be cool with that. Because we know that they are going to get themselves all horny and wet and that at some point we will get that whistle from the bedroom to call in the reinforcements. ... then again in saying that knowing them two minxs we’ll be in the front room for an hour before a whistle came our way!!! J Everyone - I consider our lifestyle to be the evolution of what relationships should be. This post is asking others to think about what it is we are all doing here. I’m asking everyone to put in an equal amount of research, time and effort to enjoy fun times and healthy sexual adventures... really can’t we all just get along? This is not about scaring newbies, or pushing our will, or being negative. Swinging is cool, and safe and wonderful, if you find the right partner, or playmates. Don’t just take one for the team, if you’re walking away from an encounter with a bad taste in your mouth (no pun intended) then regroup, rethink, open it up and lay it on the table. What a wonderful group of people we are. We have crossed many boundaries in own self development to get here. Look how flexible this taboo of swinging is, look how we all get to own a piece of it and then fashion it in so many fantastic ways. If you’re a star trying to fit into square hole, don’t bash away at the hole to see if it fits. Just travel up that long and winding road until you find another star to shine with. Andy
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RHP User
16 years ago
UBD... No one respects other peoples boundaries more than me. We all have our boundaries ...I know ours will suit some and others couldnt care less.. Thats fine.. Just move on and find someone who is more compatible. The point I made in my post was aimed mainly at those self centred people who put thier own pleasure above everybody else. Specially those who expect thier partners to spectate and not partisipate. OK' some guys are quite content to be subserviant.. Thats thier call and if they get off on that' good luck to them. Personally' I dont understand. That doesnt mean I think Im above them in anyway.. Its only a opinion. However' Respect is a two way street... thats important
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RHP User
16 years ago
hahah who wants to watch 2 girls play...zzzzz...its sooo last week seems a few power crazy gals on here.... If it says girls play and men watch, we laugh and move on...poor whipped guys i guess..lol
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RHP User
16 years ago
But conversely I (Trev) couldn't just watch the girls ALL night, where the fun in that ? but as an entree, my voyeuristic nature sits well with this...infact we've found that it's a good way to get the ball rolling with another couple. Which reminds me of one night with a couple we regularly play with now, we were at a pub in fremantle, and the girls were all over each other, kissing, touching, etc..us two guys had a lot of fun just watching them get up to their mischeif knowing full well that half the pub was watching them (pretending to disapprove)... One older lady kept looking away in disgust..only to turn around again to look away in disgust, only to turn around again to look away in disgust, etc. Trev
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RedHotCoast
16 years ago
Quoting 'SalAndy' Everyone - I consider our lifestyle to be the evolution of what relationships should be. The above quote hits the nail on the head. It sums up our lifestlye. Well said Andy.
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RHP User
16 years ago
I really think that SalAndy were trying to point out that people should be more upfront in their profiles so that they dont waste time dealing with the wrong people. This happens all the time and i do wish that people would not only WRITE but also read profiles correctly as to their requirements. There is nothing worse than spending heaps of time messaging and making phone calls etc to find at the end of it all that you are so totally unmatched.
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RHP User
16 years ago
It's all about individuals choices....if you don't like their rules....(and you can check out the basics on the profile.....that's what it's for)........just send a flirt back that says.....thanks but no thanks......or too lazy to type that...just send...sorry don't see our planets colliding...with bother with the msn thing...then write a volume of war and peace on here about it.....EACH to their OWN...ffs...
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RHP User
16 years ago
Lets set a couple of things straight....any idea this would have become such a drama and I am sure Andy would have stayed well away from the topic! Desserts you are right. The point Andy was making was the frustration in people not being upfront in their profile about their rules. I always read the profile and will check....Cool they have ticked 'swap partners for sex' and everything else checks out then I message or flirt or whatever...we use msn for a quick chat and if all good then we swap phone numbers. The other frustration is the people that expect us to drive all the way over to town for them, but wont consider meeting halfway...all this prompts me to want to change my profile and state very clearly we are only prepared to play with couples that full swap and areonly prepared to meet half way for the first meet...so lesson here for us perhaps? All the other rubbish...silly jibes, bad jokess and fluff are simply the result of a creative writer that just can't help himself and loves to make himself laugh...A quality I like in Andy is that he speaks his mind, not just the stuff he thinks others want to hear or in this case read, so like we have been asked time and time again here to respect others rules (and we do) and respect others rights and opinions..we too have the right to post a War and Peace length topic on whatever we feel like.Hehe. That in mind, thank you all for your contributions and opinions...Nothing like a good debate and flaring up some emotions and thoughts and opinions in everyone else. That is why we love the forums so much, we can all get on here have our say, sling a few OMG's and WGAF's at each other then meet again on a forum topic elsewhere and do it all again!!! xxx Sal
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RHP User
16 years ago
The point is that not everyone writes profiles correctly nor reads them either for that matter, so you can read a profile and think it seems ok then further down the track when you have wasted your precious time messaging, phoning and meeting, you then discover the info on their profile is not correct and it just gets annoying and it must get extra annoying for those who arrange to play, get the babysitters or whatever and go out of their way to meet, and yes they still have each other, but they could have saved up the night out for a more compatible couple.
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RHP User
16 years ago
You both write the best posts, it's also great to hear from both sides of a cpl in an entertaining way... I think things are taken too seriously sometimes... can't say I haven't ever been guilty of that lol Luv the closing lines there Sal!... Mrs P'
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RHP User
16 years ago
I've been thinking about this issue........You may have heard my rant about girly girl play as being boring, dull, tedious, banal even. I claim to have become inured to it from my work at CI. This is something of an exaggeration and I reserve my right to comment on a case by case basis.Having said that if one of the girls playing is Leesa then it's all g o o d.Even if the girls only play leads to same room sex - thats cool too - there is always tomorrow and another couple/singlejust around the corner.Life is short - but not short enought to worry about thisBryan
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RHP User
16 years ago
Lol coastcple ... I read your post and thought you must have been the subject of the topic at hand.... lmfao so I wasn't going to say anything! But now obviously you aren't the ones... I tried to read war and peace but after the first page I fell asleep. On the other side of the coin every post I've ever read from either Sal or Andy has entertained me and Im left smiling and thinking happy thoughts. I for one, am very glad they share so openly and I dig it. Frankly, there's not a lot "new" in anything on the forum except for new and inventive ways that people say it and exposure to the individual characters who post. If all we had to rely on to get to communicate were msn and the profile sheets, I think I'd probably use another site. Here on the forum I met my princess Sister Sophia and that's because here you really can get to know quite a bit about a person's character even if, for example they are 15,000 km from me. So fortunate for me that Sal and Andy's posts are heaps of fun. Hugs Gaz
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RHP User
16 years ago
Besides, I think girls should watch while guys play. It's not so much a rule as an inclination. :p sometimes. :p hugs gaz
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RHP User
16 years ago
Read profiles and then chat to communicate with the others then you would not pay for babysitters and waste your time.Communication is the key to this lifestyle, not just reading someones profiles...lolOnce again, really quiet simple isnt it.
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RHP User
16 years ago
What Leesa said...msn is great for chat and if you actually"listen" to what people type...you pick up a vibe as to if they are your kind of people.....and I couldn't agree more with Bryan.......I think Pete would agree with him but he can and does speak for him self....lol And yes I do agree some do seem to tell porky pies in their profiles.....but fewer people read them before sending a message or flirt etc....and sorry guys but your the worst for not reading them.....and hence you waste your time and messages... Each to their own and go with the flow ...tomorrow is another day.......:-)
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RHP User
16 years ago
SalAndy, Agree with you very much. Tried the same post but said another way. Have had people contact us and chat but ended up being the same ending. We don't wan't to meet people who are seeking FFM meeting's. But because they can not find a single woman, they decide to go for a couple just for the off chance of getting it on with out the guy or just having him sit back and watch, shhheeessh. Biggest problem is they don't state it, in their profile and then when it comes to chatting via e-mail, they tell you aaw sorry mate not interested in you but we are interested in your wife, how bout we meet up. Been in the boat with a couple where I was pushed to the side and the couple were enjoying them selves so much, but I was just sitting back going, you have got to be kidding. Was not turned on and my wife felt the same, so we got up, got dressed and headed off. Then were abused for being teasers and fake. Nothing wrong with swinging but you have to share.
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RHP User
16 years ago
That is why we chat on msn and then (usually) the girls chat on the phone. Sometimes we skip msn but we always offer it as an option to people who might prefer that before swapping numbers. We meet too many people without some kind of vetting process and then end up stood up or cancelled or disappointed when we dont hitt it off...all very simple and all understandable...Andy and I are learning all the time what works for us and what does not and what others expectations are and how to deal with everyone and their wants with respect and acceptence of similarities and differences. This is another reason why I like CI...I find it an excellent nuetral place to meet people. Admittedly we come accross alot of couples that are a little shy of heading to a club like CI but we do our best to sell the idea to them (no pressure ofcourse) by suggesting that if they ever want to check it out we are more than happy to go with them and make it a socila evening without any pressure to play there or play at all. RHP and the forums, CI and parties are all more than just places for us to have sex with lots of people! I enjoy the social interaction, making friends, meeting new people and the way our relationship has been able to grow with such openess, honesty and respect for each other, the playtime is just the added bonus to all of that! xx salina
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RHP User
16 years ago
HiyaI agree with you Andy a couple is made up of TWO not one and therefore there is two people's needs that should be met. However in couples there is usually one more dominant than the other. It is selfish for the woman to expect that her needs be met and that a man should sit idly by if he wanted to see two woman go at it he can watcha friggen porn!!.If any Man tells you he is happy with that it is because he either has a big thub print on his forehead or he thinks seeing a different pussy and tits is better than nothing.The Only man who truly isnt in swinging to fuck other woman is GAY.. I think in this age of feminism and equal rights for woman not that I am saying that doesnt have its place. That the proverbial scales have at times been tipped too far!!.if you have issues about swinging or jealousy sort it out before you launch yourself on the swinging arena. There is a huge place for girl on girl play I adore it myself but somewhere in it the guy needs his desires met too. Men can be afraid to speak up sometimes I think for fear of loosing what they have.. I like what Andy has said is at the very least thought provoking.And sometimes to grow in ourselves we must see what is in us that needs change.No one in a couple can be selfish because Love is meant to be selfless.If you let your man be sexual with other woman wont he just think he has the best woman in the world .anyways thanks Andy and please post again. I like exercising my mind .Bye Kate xx
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RHP User
16 years ago
p.s SAlANDY FOR THE COUPLES INTERNATIONAL OF THE YR!!
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RHP User
16 years ago
Hey good post andylove the info in your posts very informative to someone that's only just starting to get into the scene now :) look forward to more posts.bris
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RHP User
16 years ago
Watching is fine... guys can watch while girls warm up.. A Girl can watch as the guys pamper 1 girl at a time.. or even 1 couple can watch as their partners get it on... all good.. But we play on an even playfield..if im not into the girl, or she thinks we are just there to see girls play together ...its game over .....and same for my girl...if shes not into the guy, we just play and maybe oral.. each adventure and couple is different :> Neo
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RHP User
16 years ago
Some need a reality check! yes each adventure is different...lol stop you guys all these ideas for newbies is not scaring off !Very valid point and well debated.it comes down to people hiding behind thier keyboards or trying to be someone they r not. I've met many people off the net (mainly for friendships) and a few to "get together" and just have a good night of hot company and its not scary or rocket science, if it doesn't feel right it doesn't do it and i think the first decent meet up should give anyone that idea or even the first msn chat or whatever. I'm only new to the couples scene but not the bi scene its just been a very long time....If rules are put out there first then only acceptance will guarantee a fun time is had by all. the even level playing field is a must!. For me the connection has to be there and of course an attraction but not necessarily looks...chemistry is best.And i prefer to know a little personally about someone b4 i/we meet them so msn is fine but yeah common courtsey isn't hard hey and endless months of umm i dunno's are annoying Well done I have enjoyed reading the points of view and thank you"got a few pointers myself"lol
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RHP User
16 years ago
Had a really crappy day today and when I read ur post Andy it made me smile and laugh... Cheers.. Keep them coming
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