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Hidden heaven m&g or not
April 30 2017
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boobsandbusted
9 years ago
Unless people want to thrash it out for the hell of it , Hidden heaven have decided no Single guys will not be able to attend this event ,but enquires will be made by the hosts about the next one on the night or maybe they could do a trial and alternate between both and see which one is more popular or troublesome - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Swinging really is a couples world
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RHP User
9 years ago
Glad to see the single men singled out again. bahahaha 😉😉😉 Surly you could screen a few decent gents or meet them prior. Not all single men think with there dick. - Posted from rhpmobile
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On_Safari
9 years ago
Vetting any single men on a case by case basis to "open the door" to those that are genuinely gentlemen decided through your discussion and interaction with them and simply saying "No" to the many idiots who lurk this site? If they break the rules on the night (unlikely because you would've explained the rules and no guarantees they'd be invited to play with anyone) then yes, throw their skanky arses out the door. If you're only trying to cater for the Couples seeking single women it's no fun for the single women who might like to meet a genuine single man. Yes swinging is a Couples realm, but does it really have to be so hard for the singles to get into a situation where they might successfully "partner up"? Just my 2 bobs ~ Indy
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boobsandbusted
9 years ago
Perfectly. Thought out Indy ,I wish the hosts had gone that route this time,for the sake of the good guys not the jerks ,but good news is ,they are open to suggestions ,and may take the above on board for another time Hell,all this talk about playing and single guys ,Mrs b and I will be there as a meet and greet ,and not playing upstairs ,but nice to know if we change our mind ,an option is there ,and don't need a hotel room - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Hi all, As this is our first Meet & Greet we are wanting to please the majority for this first night. We will ask everyone on the night their opinion. We do have 1 or 2 men there as security now and then depending on numbers. They are friends we have known for many years and experienced in the security industry. We know a few very respectful,decent,clean single men that we can vouch for or if any of you can vouch for the same we can work it out over a drink or 2 on the night. Cheers Gary and Cindy
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
Your comment is a little confusing. Are you allowing single guys (besides security) to attend the meet & greet ? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
With regards to future events, they can chat about who might be suitable to be issued with a future invite. However even if I was well vouched for and agreed to be allowed to a certain event, I'm not sure I would like to be there if many of the rest are not necessarily appreciative of my presence, and I wouldn't see the point or benefit. I would rather attend a general meet where I know I am welcome, not tolerated. I don't see the point of having a few select single men at a couples event, just keep it a couples event, and have an all inclusive event on another occasion. We do after all have nothing but time for all types of events in the future :)
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Seachange73
9 years ago
I would be interested in attending your club however I'm really not that interested in couples but mire with single men. Now that would limit my chances of meeting and even if I want to, playing with single men. So no, I won't go if there are no single men there. I do understand the behaviour of some disrespectful men as I have seen it before. I.have also observed that disrespectful behaviour is not limited to single men but also to some men in the couples who act like kids in a candy shop. And if there are a single men, that would make the venue more attractive to single women. Of course, I expect them to either be vouched for/validated and there is adequate security to kick the misbehaving people, men or women, out of the club. So please some single men. Thanks
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RHP User
9 years ago
Only security
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MsJonesy
9 years ago
But may as well lay them out again 😆 Yes, there have been problems at play parties/swingers events where there are too many single men in attendance. Yes I have been on the receiving end of some shabby behaviour...I've documented it in another forum if you have the attention span to look it up. 😉 But this is a MEET & GREET........which just happens to be at a swingers venue. Having run many social meet & greets in Melbourne , and having attended the same number interstate, I can't remember there being the same sort of issues at these social events. The other thing I want to lay out on the table, and this is may be a little controversial.....oops. Yes the responsibility for the poor behaviour lays squarely at the feet of some shabby men (and not always single ones either just quietly). But it is our COLLECTIVE responsibility to call out that behaviour when we see it. Be loud, be assertive (not aggressive, there's a huge difference), let them know the behaviour has been seen and is not accepted by anyone. Lets stop it in its tracks......both men, but more importantly women...need to be vocal about what is acceptable and what is not. The more we call attention to it, the more likely it is that the behaviour will change. Then, as my gorgeous friend On_Safari says....kick their skanky arses out the door. 👌
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Seachange73
9 years ago
I think having a. Large contingent of single men can also be a turn off to women. Limited number of single men would be nice rather than a herd of testosterone laided bulls just wanting to off their load. The magic number? Not sure. But it should be relative to the number of couples and.single women in attendance. do the 3-little-bear criteria. Not too many not too few. Just right
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
If this were just a meet & greet only (no play) then there would be no problem inviting single men. We have been to RHP social meet & greets (in the CBD) where there were quite large numbers of single men. They have behaved well. Perhaps because they knew it was a social meet only ? However, this is not just a meet & greet - there will be play upstairs as mentioned in the initial post,with specific mention being made of having someone manning the stairs and being told, on the post, to bring towels. Of course as play has been mentioned, this will more than likely attract a much higher number of single men. And many of these guys mightb be looking for an apportunity to get upstairs and have some action, and therein lies the problem. The same happens at Attunga on open nights . The guys arrive in large numbers, pay their $100 admission fee, and then some expect (and sometimes demand ) sex in return. If there were no single women & couples, at Attunga on the open nights, the single guys might have no reason to attend. Hidden Heaven has been operating for some time now and hosting couples play parties, for couples & single women only. It would be a pity to do away with the format. The meet & greet on 13 May is an attempt to attract more people . We are not sure where, or why, single males have now been brought into the issue but we suspect it was put forward, to the organisers / management , by a few people from RHP, who clearly would like to see single males there. There are plenty swingers clubs that allow single men in. In fact if you look at Attunga for example , it only has a couples night once a month. All the other Saturdays, they alllow single men in. In fact there are very few swingers clubs that only cater for couples & single women. Hidden Heaven has worked nicely with regards its couples only nights. It would be a pity to replace them with a free for all meet & greet, and introducing single guys into the mix may very well then be the end of the place. If single women want to meet single men, perhaps a singles club or a singles dating club would be a better forum, as opposed to a swingers club ? The single women are also welcome to book out the hidden Heaven venue for a strictly singles night , as a private function. That way they can invite single men to attend. We are not anti single guys. We have had several really memorable MFM 3 somes, which we thoroughly enjoyed. However it is also nice to be able to go to a swingers club / party and not have to worry about being pestered by single guys wanting a piece of the action. We had a good time at HH with a few couples from here, that we have become good friends with. We were planning to invite them back to HH for its next function, but they have stated that they will not attend if there are single guys attending. We would prefer not to go alone as the venue is nice when a group of friends goes together. We wonder why so much pressure is being put on management, to allow single guys in? Who is doing the pushing? And surely the regular couples of HH, should have a say in the matter ? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
I agree on the vouching system - being vouched for (validation of a person's character) by a female and/or a couple, and/or having to attend with them. However even if this works well in theory, this does leave out many good people who have still not made any inroads in meeting anyone, and therefor have no-one to validate their character as yet, let alone attend an event with. Even if you have a network of such friends, it can still be hard to match up mutual availability. When I ran an event, I essentially validated everyone by communicating on an individual basis with each person before I gave them final details (and made sure they answered a certain question to ensure they were actually reading and understood). However for a much bigger event, the organisers would not have time for that with everyone. Also, numbers alone does not necessarily constitute a great event. From my long experience (if not success) at "vanilla" mingling nights, I had icebreaker games and other such means of generating discussion and mingling. So everyone essentially talked to everyone else, while in another circumstance, even at a very large crowd, you can talk to very few people at all. So even if it just a couples night, it also depends on the guests, whether they are trying for just their own selective interests/connections, or are making a contribution and helping the organisers to ensure everyone present feels included and welcomed.
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RHP User
9 years ago
You seemed to have missed the point. IT's any man, whether he be single or married, can not walk around on his own. Or play without his partner there. So, equally a married guy who is a pest is also asked to leave. Whether his wife leaves with him is another point. Haha. ' It's not single men - its ALL men, you can not attend the play area unchaperoned. :P It is a stupid swingers rule in my opinion. It's nowhere near as fun, that's why swingers clubs are dead half the time. In my opinion anyway.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Hope you have fun at another couples only event. Make sure Mr is chaperoned at all times. Because, to any single women there, doesn't matter if he is married or not - if he is walking around on his own he is a single male in that moment. Isn't that right?
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Seachange73
9 years ago
single men like spawns of Satan? I think the issue of misbehaviour seems to stem from disproportionate ratio of horny single men to single women n couples in attendance. they don't get picked to play in the team and are left to watch enviously from the sidelines at all the action taking place around them. Their desperation kicks in when they wanted a piece of the action like the other single guys that got picked. I accept your reservation on some single men w running rampant in swinger's clubs. But I don't want them banished. You may just as well ban single women. Again, I.believe capping a safe number of the single men, better screening processes and tighter security measures would minimize or curb the bullish behaviour. I do not accept the elitist approach that swinging clubs are only for swinging couples. That's so 70s. It's ok for you couples to attend and have the single ladies to show up for your pleasure but single ladies don't have a say on who we want to play with? I may want to meet and play upstairs with a single guy or two that night for an Mfm. if it's ok for you to have your Fmf surely, we single women has as.much choice of Mfm, Mfm, etc.with the vouched.men. I don't really see the point of draconian rules for their club to please only the couples. Why do we single people need to organise our singles only partly? I would like to think we are adults enough to have a choice of play with different types of partners.
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AnnieWhichway
9 years ago
Everything in proportion. Wondering how the females of the couples would react if there was an excessive amount of single straight women in attendance trying to get a bit of action from their guys. Lol. Single males can work. And let's not go anywhere near entertaining MMF(bi) in situ.........heaven forbid.
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
We agree with you in most of what you have written above. However, in our experience of going to swingers clubs, there are seldom any single women around. In the 20 odd times we have been to Attunga, for example, there have only been 2 single women in total. We have been to Shed16, WOW, Stilettos, Blondeez and s few others - there were no single females in attendance. Of course single women should have a say with regards whom they want to play with. We don't think that single women are invited to swingers clubs, on couples nights, to primarily please the couples. Unicorns are there for their own pleasure and they really can pick or choose whom they play with. On an open night, again talking from experience, there can be upwards of 40 single guys to several couples, and it becomes very hard for management to enforce the rules and keep them in line. And yes, many of the guys do get frustrated at the competition and the fact that they are not going to get a root for the $100 admission fee. We went to a party named Blondeez early last year. There were just 4 couples in total . Us and a couple we know from here, and the hosts and couple who were friends of theirs. 38 single guys arrived in total and they tried their luck with us and our friends. When they realised that they were not going to score, they became quite aggro towards the hosts demanding their money back, stating that they had paid for a root and were not going to get what they paid for. Alas group mentality kicked in and a scuffle resulted . The four of us slipped out of the front door quietly and never returned. - Posted from rhpmobile
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On_Safari
9 years ago
Quoting you " However for a much bigger event, the organisers would not have time for that with everyone." I've had over 300 people register/PM/flirt for the upcoming M&G and EVERY SINGLE PERSON has been messaged by me, singles and couples. It's a courtesy to do so and good networking/business sense. Mr & Mrs DC no one is suggesting allowing a disproportionate number of single men in on the night but where's the harm in a select few? The selection again based on Heaven's Management interaction with those THEY VET! Regardless of the play area upstairs it would be communicated to these Gents that they ARE NOT ALLOWED UPSTAIRS unless they're INVITED. No offense but as a single woman I don't want to entertain a number of sleepy married men whose wives don't go down on you to reciprocate and whose husbands are equally lame and think running around sticking their dicks in as many women's faces/vaginas on the night makes them some kind of stud! And yes I've seen the I'll-equipped single men fck up as well. My partner when he was single and going to CVino would sit and watch the goings on and didn't approach. He was fortunate that he wasn't there with expectations and as it turned out he would be invited to join couples in sex. Now it's plain you guys AREN'T single friendly unless it's a woman but don't you also tire of how inbred/incestuous all your known encounters get? Anyway Heaven Organisers. You're intelligent and savvy people, you can exercise good judgement and select a few worthy gentlemen to participate in the SOCIAL MEET & GREET element of your night again communicating RESPECT, MANNERS and NO GUARANTEES other than potentially meeting some "lovely people" who they most likely won't have sex with. Clear communication about behaviour and expectations is the key to success for anything. All this OTT talk about herds of rampaging bulls is shit and designed to create apprehension. Don't destroy what you enjoy DC that's true but don't destroy the possibility of the enjoyment to be experienced by a few lesser singles either. People you might also find "lovely" even if you choose not to partake of them.
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
Rant noted :) lol Who says we are not single men friendly? As noted dozens of times, we have had several MFM 3 somes. But we are open to these on our own terms and if and when we feel like them. Yes we have had and witnessed some unpleasant behaviour, as have our friends, and so we are not alone at all in this regard. As far as wanting single women is concerned, to be honest this is not a priority at all for us, just as putting a dick in as many faces / vaginas is not something that we want nor do. We rarely play as it is, as for us, less is more , quality before quantity. In our experience, if there are too many single horny guys, at a club / play party, they become extremely hard for the hosts to control, which is why it is important to keep meet & greets and play meets separate, in our opinion. We know the hidden Heaven venue fairly well, and feel it's not going to be conducive to large groups and will be very hard to control the play aspect and or access to the rooms upstairs. Just our opinion based on our experience. No rant intended. The meet & greet would be better suited to a CBD venue, as per past meet & greets. - Posted from rhpmobile
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boobsandbusted
9 years ago
Thanks dc , I never mention towels in the other thread post ,forgot about them ,will add that when it is removed and I write a new one without single guys to stop the confusion Ps We are not anti single guys due to we think the good far outweighs the bad reason to have had them there .we have had more problems with the male of a couple or actually not really a couple just him being a sneaky shit being a wolf in sheeps clothing and getting in the door ,at least if singles are allowed you can spot them out in the open ,stop them and up goes the adds ,I can't in to this event ,any ladies wanna go with me ,Personally I've had enough of that sneaky behaviour - Posted from rhpmobile
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
Yep, we agree with you 100 % - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Hidden_Heaven' Hi all, As this is our first Meet & Greet we are wanting to please the majority for this first night. We will ask everyone on the night their opinion. We do have 1 or 2 men there as security now and then depending on numbers. They are friends we have known for many years and experienced in the security industry. We know a few very respectful,decent,clean single men that we can vouch for or if any of you can vouch for the same we can work it out over a drink or 2 on the night. Cheers Gary and Cindy If you are not having any single guys at this M&G, how do they get a voice?
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'MsJonesy' Yes the responsibility for the poor behaviour lays squarely at the feet of some shabby men (and not always single ones either just quietly). But it is our COLLECTIVE responsibility to call out that behaviour when we see it. Be loud, be assertive (not aggressive, there's a huge difference), let them know the behaviour has been seen and is not accepted by anyone. Lets stop it in its tracks......both men, but more importantly women...need to be vocal about what is acceptable and what is not. The more we call attention to it, the more likely it is that the behaviour will change. Then, as my gorgeous friend On_Safari says....kick their skanky arses out the door. 👌 As usual x
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Seachange73
9 years ago
that the rules apply for ALL men should be accompanied not just in the play area but in whole of the premises at all times, and not just limited to single men. The rules to some degree is a dead bore for some women, specially coupled women, who just want to dump their miserable grumpy hubbies n the couch, and check out other talents in the club, male or female. However I do understand the premises by which this rule was made and enforced. Being a single woman in a swing club, I have found some women showing insecure behaviour when their men flirt with me and I only responded to him and not her, despite me being polite to her. The leash is yanked very quickly for their men to heel by moving the other way. Lol. Watching couples dynamics can be just as interesting.
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On_Safari
9 years ago
Quoting 'DynamicCouple36' Rant noted :) lol SMUG much? Toodaloo
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quite often it's the men who are more active in seeking playmates at a swinging event, rather than the women :) I attend parties with my hubby and other married male friends, none of whom are either grumpy and most definitely neither I or their partners, are trying to 'dump' them. Anyone would be bloody lucky to play with any of the men in my network/circle. My general approach to all couples is courtesy to both ...I've never experienced anything like that from any woman, even when I've gone to events myself, and I did regularly and was 'single' as far as everyone knew. Single or married men and women must behave appropriately. Accept all registrations and vet people if needed BUT call out all bad behaviour and remove people. Establish clear expectations for all and allow no second chances, especially people who touch without asking or enter a private space without asking! Have coloured wristbands to indicate /remind others what people might be into and clearly have these explained throughout the club. People can wear multiple bands and can include 'just here as newbies' to 'anything goes' and everything in between :) Just my opinion Mary xx
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Seachange73
9 years ago
Your last post juat validated the argument of the consequence of allowing disproportionate number of single men in any club, swinging or otherwise. Such bullish behaviour is.even present in normal clubs much less the swinging clubs /parties. Single women feel vulnerable in clubs and.even private parties where management does not have a good control and understanding of their clientele. Hence we don't go on our own unless with a fwb or with other gfs. HH management (Gary and Cindy) , decide whether you want to challenge the existing business model and the parameters you have set for your business. try to understand there is a potential market for you to tap on the ever growing and evolving single female swingers market. An inclusive and well researched approach may be beneficial for you. I suggest a LIMITED number of single men be allowed, number at your discretion, to your meet and greet. change the mix and numbers up and evaluate response. dont get swayed by fear mongering. Consider this event as market testing exercise. What have you got to lose? the business insights on the night would serve you well in the future. Just a friendly suggestion. 😉
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Bodhi8
9 years ago
I'll just go out and pick up instead. One on one is great enough. - Posted from rhpmobile
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Seachange73
9 years ago
It may have come out that way, my apologies. However, I.did mention SOME women. I didn't say All married men are grumpy but some on the night. I.have seen and.experienced this and none were in your tribe.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'd say women dominate the play more than the men. Long live the bi MMF! Truth is I can't really get my boyfriend to swingers clubs because he finds it too restrictive/conservative and he has to tone down his behaviour so much. He used to go to please me.
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AnnieWhichway
9 years ago
Are a commodity. Charge them excessive amounts to attend so couples and single women can attend for free or small charge. I'd be interested to hear from either HH management or someone that attended the Hostess play night last month where the stated running numbers were 15 couples, 3 single women and 25 single guys. Guys were charged at 100 per head. Obviously an excessive number of guys and wonder if the event ran smoothly etc. Reckon the single women would have been spoilt for choice
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RHP User
9 years ago
In addition to Annie's response, Every advertised play event I have been to, has been an excess of single men, but for a reason. All of these events are advertised as events where women/couples can go to, to play with multiple men at a time. Thus the ratios. In any case I was happy to go with it regardless, as I happened to like such activities and rationalised the whole time and money spent as "cost of having a sex life as a single male". Having said that, more recently (but not lately) I had made certain networks which had similar play events, but at no cost to anyone. Ie, private invites vs commercial events. And the others are certainly commercial (house parties and clubs), other websites even categorise them as such and they do not seem to mind. As for $100 entry, I have paid almost that on several occasions to go speed dating (obviously to no avail!) However - and it's a big however - for those certain events allowing single men, I have almost always felt welcome. Obviously the couples and women that attend, are very, very single men friendly. As it happens, it's often been their strong preference if they want "no-politics" play or communication, over trying in vain to achieve the same play or communication dynamics with other couples. Back to a M&G, obviously some couples (and women) are seeking different partners and partner types than others. At the member run events, I know I will be able to talk to some people, while others will have not the slightest interest. But perhaps if HH runs a couples event, and another one including all singles as well, then both groups will have their chance at making conversation and connections. No need to try to please everyone all at the same event.
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RHP User
9 years ago
One of the main reasons I have never been to a "swingers" club is the worry about the m/f ratios. Its like goldilocks......I'm not interested in couples/females, but don't want hordes of males groping me either. Ive been to BDSM clubs in Sydney many moons ago....that seemed easier somehow. I've had an invite to private parties in Melbourne, but when the hosts found out I wasn't necessarily interested in playing, that invite was revoked. From a single female point of view the only safe way I can see going to clubs is being escorted by a friend/FWB. So far thats yet to happen......so I will leave them in the domains of couples only.
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Seachange73
9 years ago
Well just have to stick together with a few Rhp ladies and go together then to.check out the talent. 😉 Safety in numbers and always look out for each other. it's always fun to hit the clubs with an fwb or with the girls. 👍
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RHP User
9 years ago
That event was not held by us. The venue was hired privately for the night.
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RHP User
9 years ago
But the exclusion of single men makes it just another "single woman / couples with bisexual woman" focussed event. Not judging at all but this is the prevailing status quo in the swinging scene and does keep some couples (like us) away from clubs and parties as we are not looking for a "bisexual woman" experience. More variety of event styles would get more people out of the woodwork. - Posted from rhpmobile
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On_Safari
9 years ago
Quoting 'purpletoupee' I've had an invite to private parties in Melbourne, but when the hosts found out I wasn't necessarily interested in playing, that invite was revoked. Funny how often that happens
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On_Safari
9 years ago
Quoting 'Doubleup282' But the exclusion of single men makes it just another "single woman / couples with bisexual woman" focussed event. Not judging at all but this is the prevailing status quo in the swinging scene and does keep some couples (like us) away from clubs and parties as we are not looking for a "bisexual woman" experience. More variety of event styles would get more people out of the woodwork. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
What we do at our parties is that the only singles going are accompanying a couple. The couple is responsible for their behaviour. Any problems all 3 leave. We have never had problems. - Posted from rhpmobile
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boobsandbusted
9 years ago
If it can't be worked out ,Alternative events ,1time selected vouched single guys can attend ,then the next one. Just couples and females ,and alternate unless for the host one is far better than the other after a trial of both - Posted from rhpmobile
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boobsandbusted
9 years ago
A thread from Sth Korea ,where at the swinger clubs single guys can attend but are restricted to a certain area ,eg the bar area , and are not to approach women and couples but may be approached By anyone interested in them ,it may. Sound a bit draconian. But it may just work here ,apparently it works well over there ,and btw,it's not necessarily what I think is the best solution ,just an option and just throwing it out there for others to chew over Mr b - Posted from rhpmobile
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boobsandbusted
9 years ago
That's what I think is the best idea , You try to get our ass thrown out and embarrass us ,we are going to kick you ass, don't worry bout anyone else and never will you be invited anywhere by us ever again ,I'm sure many females or couples would feel that way and problems would be few and far between .hence I thought Gary and cindy had it sorted out pretty well first time around - Posted from rhpmobile
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
Fantastic idea re the rule that restricts single guys to the bar area and from approaching women / couples, unless approached by them first. Killing Kittens has a similar rule - and that is that only the women may do the approaching, and their parties are fantastic, with a high percentage of single women attending.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'purpletoupee' I've had an invite to private parties in Melbourne, but when the hosts found out I wasn't necessarily interested in playing, that invite was revoked. It's not just women, but also couples I know, that have had this experience. Not only were you probably expected to play, you would probably have been expected to play with women. The people I know, still haven't found any party at a private location where play is possible (as opposed to a public meet and greet), but completely without pressure. Just to relax, chill, make friends, nothing further required. I think a "newbie couples and singles" event, essentially a meet and greet but in a private, relaxed environment would be wonderful. It should be focused on people less experienced, as these types of couples and singles are put off by pressure and sometimes decide to exit the scene altogether, as they find it too hard to make basic, person-to-person, friendships based on a more grounded, communicative connection. Not all are focused on play, some want deeper friendships and bonds first, to spend time doing other things, going out etc, even one couple with another. But perhaps such people are labelled as time wasters, taking too long to get to the play part (so to speak).
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RHP User
9 years ago
Well i think we need to organize a singles only meet and greet no couples allowed let me know whos keen - Posted from rhpmobile
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FredAndGinger2
9 years ago
We have never been comfortable at events with singles guys attending. I do like the idea mentioned above which is to clearly label a newbie couples meet and greet different from play events. We all have different interests and all on different journeys. As the saying goes - Can't please all the people all the time.. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Just wanted to weigh in , as a single & I would like to think respectful guy . I've never been to any type of meet & greet or a swingers club. As this venue is local to me , I've been trying to build the courage to take the first step . From the points made in this forum it seems that the majority of single men that attend theses gathering are not welcome , or miss behave , & the number of single men that attend makes the chances of connecting with others very slim . Think this newbie will give it a miss . Hope all who attend have a great night . X - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
We have never been to a sex party, nor have we even had a play with another couple. However we are interested in trying something. Is their a forum we can go to, or is there anyone willing to talk us through getting started? Dan & Karen
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RHP User
9 years ago
the single men have nothing to loose if they do anything. we give up our wives thoughtfully and to watch single males treat our wives with disrespect and no concern for them or their husbands is just not on Just because we choose this lifestyle doesnt mean we are easy and we set the highest of standards when it comes to cpls we want to play with. too many people at one even is mayhem for the women but not all i guess
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RHP User
9 years ago
For the couples / single women, is this behaviour common across all single male age groups or is it the case of 'young, dumb and full of cum'? Certainly from the point of view of a middle aged bloke, I think by the time we've cracked 30 let alone 40 those of us who still think every woman is going to go all wobbly knees about us has shrunk dramatically. If a certain age range causes the issues, then cut that, rather than everyone suffer for the sins of the few. The other one that seems common is the admittance of single men leading to a skewed ratio of more single men then women. If all those had to pay (even if different amounts per couple, women etc.) in advance, then it would be easy to restrict it to there being slightly less single men then single women (as there's a higher prevalence of ladies who play 'both sides of the street' then men who do). Sure that'd still leave some guys on the outer, but combine this with 'one strike and you're never allowed back' and it's at least not as bad as assuming every guy coming on his own is the devil incarnate.
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
With regards our experience, of the behaviour at the swingers clubs we have attended, it's not specified to a certain group at all. You make some good points regarding ways to control the ratios though. If people could pre-book and pay, then management would know how many couples & single females would be attending and thus how many single males to let in. Another way would be to keep a record of how many couples / single females have entered, and to then let in an appropriate number of single males. One would then however have to have 2 queues : one for single males and one for couples/ single females, as the single male queue will always be a lot longer than the other, and they would be waiting around for a few more couples / single females to enter the club, before they are allowed in. And then what happens when a couple / single female leaves ? Do they then ask a few single males to leave ? - Posted from rhpmobile
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melbcpl01
9 years ago
anothr thing we have noticed a lot is single guys getting a free ticket into couples only nights only to split soon as there in the door Management also ned to keep an eye out for this , thankfully havnt seen it at HH in the times we been there We would like to see HH stay as a couples club , also if one leaves or gets booted out both go
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
Yes we too have noticed a lot of "splitting" at the clubs on couples nights. It's a cunning way to get in, as a single male, without paying a higher admission fee. Management don't seem to notice this though. And in most cases we have witnessed, the female half is not interested in swinging and so sits at the bar chatting, whilst her single male companion goes on the hunt for fresh meat. - Posted from rhpmobile
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boobsandbusted
9 years ago
To help out Gary and cindy the hosts of this event and hopefully future ones to come We have heard comments from many who won't be going cos of the no single guys allowed this time ,how bout some comments from those that are now going or considering going ,because of the change, that weren't initially going to go , when single guys were allowed Mr b - Posted from rhpmobile
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
The couples, that were with us when we met at Eighty One, did not want to go if single guys were going. Now they are considering going. So it's not all doom & gloom - Posted from rhpmobile
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
No "splitting" occurs. Will probably still need security on the stairs though. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Hi there, we are very interested in attending Saturday night, if we can get some feedback on how to get in contact that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks - Posted from rhpmobile
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boobsandbusted
9 years ago
Message sent. With contact number - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Well yes great - fence off an area for single guys - like a flock of fly blown sheep - lovely Seems to me you had solid ground rules at the beginning - stick with it - gonna get some squeaky wheels no matter what the format and then they can choose to stay or go. Easy to match up singles through the vetting process. Hope its a cracking show regardless Regards The wiz
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boobsandbusted
9 years ago
If you haven't been contacted by hidden heaven with details and you have registered your interest ,send them a message and they will get back to you asap Mr b - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
We did attend the Meet and Greet last night and were pleasantly surprised with a well run venue that was inviting, well managed and attractive. Some lovely people on the night. But it does appear that many no shows were evident when compared to the interested list.
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RHP User
9 years ago
They are interested in an event. It doesn't mean they have actually made any successful contact or recieved an invitation. In any case, I was on the registration list from their original posting, before they changed the nature of the event, however altering the details doesn't necessarily remove the existing registrations of interest, even though some were obviously no longer applicable.
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RHP User
9 years ago
We also attended. It's a seriously great venue. Upstairs got a lot of action. Music was a bit too 1980's though. But that can easily be changed.
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RHP User
9 years ago
PC1977 Even if you registered your interest, you had to receive an invite to attend which I thought was unusual for a social M & G, so like CT above, I registered my interest but wasnt invited. Again strange for a single lady but I guess there is a reason behind everything
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Kittyesque' Even if you registered your interest, you had to receive an invite to attend which I thought was unusual for a social M & G, The second last comment says "upstairs got a lot of action". So obviously it was not exactly a social meet and greet, more towards a private party. And apparently it's not a huge venue, so perhaps you missed out on quota of female to couples numbers, or perhaps it ended up being couples only? We'll have to hear to see if any single females were present. I'm sure if there's any issues they can be resolved for a future event. Some events specify if you need to make direct contact, others select manually who they want from the registered interest list, or a mixture. So maybe this time it was a little vague somewhat as to how to get an invite?
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MsJonesy
9 years ago
Social meet and greet for the time I was there; I can't remember exactly what time we left, but it would have been around 11.30. The hosts had always made it clear the upstairs would be open for those who wished to indulge. There were few who had made it upstairs to play while we were there. Great venue, a friendly and relaxed vibe, we enjoyed it. But yes, the music could do with a make over.
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RHP User
9 years ago
80's music? Just my thing :) I do always listen to Gold FM though...
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AnnieWhichway
9 years ago
I think shortly after you left, downstairs emptied out up the staircase. It was so quiet downstairs that the hosts behind the bar may have got into the theme of the night. Don't think Guns and Roses matched the mass cum "facial" scenes on the big screen but not sure what music would. It did seem to get the party started though...
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Kittyesque' PC1977 Even if you registered your interest, you had to receive an invite to attend which I thought was unusual for a social M & G, so like CT above, I registered my interest but wasnt invited. Again strange for a single lady but I guess there is a reason behind everything I also registered my interest but didn't get an Invite either. Maybe i just didn't make the cut !
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AnnieWhichway
9 years ago
I messaged the hosts to get the address. Not much hope to do that if you are a guest though. I think the hosts are learning the process required?
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On_Safari
9 years ago
Quoting 'PC1977' We did attend the Meet and Greet last night and were pleasantly surprised with a well run venue that was inviting, well managed and attractive. Some lovely people on the night. But it does appear that many no shows were evident when compared to the interested list. ....and it makes it damn hard to ensure you get your numbers when people don't communicate or respond to your messages. I think it's just good manners to atleast acknowledge your hosts or am I wrong here? Saves the hosts wasting time on people who register but have no intention on showing up and makes it harder for those who DO want to come along to get a look in. ~ Indy
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RHP User
9 years ago
I think some good old favourites could have matched the screen, such as "hit me with your best shot", " come on Eileen" to name a few :p - Posted from rhpmobile
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boobsandbusted
9 years ago
The reason for the invite part was the hosts trying to do the right thing after saying no singles and make sure no single guys got the address and just turned up , freaking out couples due to the outspokenness of a few ,,that I must say as far as I was aware never came to the event anyway ,so I'm a bit miffed as to why they made it such a big deal about not coming ,if there was single guys ,anyway moving forward .It is a learning process for Gary and Cindy ,and electronic media isn't there best freind ,so if any gurus in this area. Want to help offer advice and help them make the next one flow better as far as the registration and getting the right mix in the door ,message me and I will give you their number ,MSJONESY,I'm looking at you or if Country touch you wanna bat for the single men Maybe you could help with some suggestions , and advice It was a great meet and greet Downstairs till late in the evening when they opened upstairs and even then ,the yapping and chatting continued up there , until a lot of action started. But still was many fully clothed people stood back ,just watching taking it all in with no one feeling bad or yuk for not stripping off or doing anything ,and like ms jonesy did there were many that due to no charge, just popped in grabbed a drink or two met up with others had a laugh and chat looked around said wow ,,and slipped back out into the night , all in all , I think from the atmosphere participants were pretty impressed with the venue and the hosts ,and having a couple of drinks with them afterwards the host were really happy with the turn out and and really want to get it right for all involved , to have a great night and enjoy themselves Mr b - Posted from rhpmobile
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boobsandbusted
9 years ago
If it's not 80 s music you want what ,what music would the crowd like ,I know Mrs loved the music ,but wasn't so keen on the footy being in the big screen glad we got that sorted ,lmao Mr b - Posted from rhpmobile
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boobsandbusted
9 years ago
Yes it was Mrs b who went downstairs , worn out ,asking for a hot chocholate ,,got down stairs ,not a sole to be seen except for the hosts behind the bar who didn't hear Mrs b turn up until it too late to hide someone was in the middle of getting a handjob ,a big laugh was had as Mrs host (cindy)quickly says please don't worry, I will wash my hands now ,😂😂😂 - Posted from rhpmobile
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Seachange73
9 years ago
There is nothing wrong with people who make their opinions known as per your OP, as you did ask them for opinions. is this not the case? The grounds for the meet and.greet moved from a more open and inclusive couples and singles, males and females, to the exclusion of single males. Obviously, some of us single females have voiced our opinions of our preferences. glad some single females found the exclusion to their liking and have still registered. I stated that I'm not going due to my preference and the others have as well.. This should set the expectations for the hosts. Like the usual meets, people that registered but a good percentage will not show up. not nice for the hosts and other guests in my opinion as they took up space that would have otherwise been afforded to those who really wanted to go but were either not able to register or did not 'make the grade '. It seems that from the above posts that communication was an issue as many didn't receive the courtesy of a confirmation of their invite or attendance. It is as much the responsibility for the host to communicate to those who have registered to confirm their attendance as many seem to have been left wondering what is going on, as the event day got closer. Like many meet held in many cities, it is courteous for hosts communicate with those who have registered their spot for the meet and consequently, details of the meet so everybody knows where they stand. So this is a learning that the hosts can take moving forward, among many others from above responders. I wish them the best I'm their next meet and.hopefully many more - couples and.single females and.males, can attend given the right environment and security measures are implemented. Cheers.
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boobsandbusted
9 years ago
And communication is the only downfall for these guys ,hence why I've tried to help out , as ive stated many a time ,I have no vested interest ,except wanting a semi local venue to succeed ,would be such a shame to see a great venue go down for just 2 glitches I can see ,one being self promotion and the other being more important ,the communication involved in getting people in the door or sealing the deal ,and that hopefully can be remedied during this learning curve - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
We too registered our interest but didn't receive an invite - we definitely would've gone. We dont have pics on our profile but offered to send pics however no response. Anyway, looks like most of you had a fun night - cheers!
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
There was quiet a nice turn out on Sat night. We were there with friends of ours , for a little while. Where were you ? Upstairs ? - Posted from rhpmobile
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
Quiet should read quite- bloody iPhone & poor eyesight - Posted from rhpmobile
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boobsandbusted
9 years ago
Or tucked away down the back on the seats chatting , we never went upstairs till quite late and hardly anyone was left downstairs Maybe we just didn't see you ,glad you did make it , after the whole debate single men or no single men - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Hi, Just a ? or two. I,m getting the run around and getting no where, I have made contact with a some one in regard to attending both Hidden Heaven and Saints and Sinners , Now I have asked where abouts the venu,s are and told down the road on King street and Moorabbin on Nepean Hwy. Oh I thought that's good and asked what numbers blank no numbers given oh just look on the maps done that and quess what what am I looking for no idear, . So I quess I,m wasting my time thinking that I could go to those events or is this a closed shop approach and I,m on the outer and that's that, seems to be the case. I arrive in Melbourne 7 th july airport about 9 pm find the back packers 197 Kings street and get to Hidden Heaven as to where ,???, I can get around places okay just not find with out info for where I need to be, any help would be lovely thank you. ...noeleena...
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
We have been to 2 Saints. Held at Inflation nightclub in Kings Street. Approx 800 to 1300 people usually attend. Hidden Heaven, is in a bikers bar in an industrial warehouse in Moorabbin. They have a FB page. Attendance varies, - Posted from rhpmobile
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Seachange73
9 years ago
Maybe you can assist Noeleena on hidden heaven contact details and address? Noeleena, take the Frankston train from Flinders St of southern cross stations and stop at moorabin station. Then take a taxi to hidden heaven to wherever it is Good thing woth Melbourne is that train stations are patrolled all night on Friday and Saturday nights. And trains run 24hours from Friday night until Sunday morning. Good luck Noeleena. Take careand.be safe. Enjoy yourself..
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
We noticed that there was some confusion re the last Hidden Heaven meet & greet. We don't recall seeing a "door list" of any sorts. You simply arrive and are let in. Obviously if the venue has reached capacity then you won't be allowed in. Often, at these RHP meet & greets, many who have expressed at attending often don't pitch up - we recall reading somewhere that around 50% don't pitch up. So having a door list will only work if everyone in the list pitches up. - Posted from rhpmobile
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AnnieWhichway
9 years ago
I messaged you with event details in general. You didn't reply to ask for addresses which I would have given if you had asked etc. Don't make a drama of nothing.......just saying.
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AnnieWhichway
9 years ago
BS detector is active
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RHP User
9 years ago
Hi Annie, I have only just reccived needed info from you so Thank you for doing that for me, I do have issues with computers so cant all ways reply straight away . Thank you again so much for helping, ...noeleena...
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AnnieWhichway
9 years ago
Shall see you there Noeleena
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