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Intellectual and Philosophical Swingers
April 17 2010
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RHP User
16 years ago
Not a bad study design. Very hard to make a survey fool-proof but pretty sound generalised conclusions.Woohoo we're all not the social deviants we thought we were!
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RHP User
16 years ago
people who play here would be on average less sexistless racist and more understanding of other lifestyles.i'm not a swinger as such as never have but i believein what eva floats yer boat is cool as long as it don'thurt anyone else. hence why i am here and not facebookor msn.................................ahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahaahahahahaEarl
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RHP User
16 years ago
Nice pic though
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RHP User
16 years ago
I knew there had to be more people than me in Kingsley. Salutations! But about your topic, anyone open enough to share their innermost fantasies with their partner is, in my opinion, a step up in level of understanding and acceptance of their partner. Got to be better than secreting it away while your spouse grows jealous of exactly who/what you're thinking about while in the pleasure zone. Middle Class(less jewellery), Middle Aged(post youngster) persons such as myself are likely to be pleased with such a study though the term 'Swingers' may be a little loosely applied. Considering the populus believes we all throw our car keys in a bowl and engage in some kind of frenzy/orgy. (hope no-one steals the car afterward). Not church-going myself as I believe in the addage 'Standing in a garage makes you no more a car, than standing in church makes you religious' I'm sure the 'infinite creator' has it all on his laptop anyway. Good, Bad or Indifferent.
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RHP User
16 years ago
on a number of accounts.. I like that we are not sexual deviants... (like how I used we there... only been to one party, but have found my new home)... Tis interesting the measure of swinging on a marriage... I wonder if the same measure had been used for just sex in general, before and after... is it as simple as sex makes us feel good... I'd reckon the incredible subjective experience that is sex is so very hard (or not) to measure in any real way between one act and another... for many of us, ANY sex is good... for some of us, only the sex that rocks you from the core out will be any good... then there's all that in between... I do like the fact that the study has been done, and that more is on the way.... any time we actually look to the sexual experience as worthy of our attention, as well as our participation, we can understand more of such an incredible human capacity... I personally have been a student of sexual capacity for quite some time, mostly focussing on the tantra and energetic forms, but also the classic ecstatics like Rumi and Sufi whirling.. I'm about to go on retreat with an incredible woman here in Melbourne that shares the techniques of "cultivating female sexual energy" with women only 4 day lush time to be had by all... (mmm must line up some rhp guys for after that... ) For me, the place that blew me away at this first swingers party was the permission we all gave each other. The permission for YES and NO, the offering and invitation... not one moment did I feel that I must anything... this allowed me such a deep raw fire within that I could just honestly follow... ah, linking the study to the reality... gotta do it, otherwise it's a whole bunch of academics wanking... not that there's anything wrong with wanking... Enjoy! it is your world after all.... Belil.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Quoting 'Belil' on a number of accounts.. I like that we are not sexual deviants... (like how I used we there... only been to one party, but have found my new home)... Tis interesting the measure of swinging on a marriage... I wonder if the same measure had been used for just sex in general, before and after... is it as simple as sex makes us feel good... I'd reckon the incredible subjective experience that is sex is so very hard (or not) to measure in any real way between one act and another... for many of us, ANY sex is good... for some of us, only the sex that rocks you from the core out will be any good... then there's all that in between... I do like the fact that the study has been done, and that more is on the way.... any time we actually look to the sexual experience as worthy of our attention, as well as our participation, we can understand more of such an incredible human capacity... I personally have been a student of sexual capacity for quite some time, mostly focussing on the tantra and energetic forms, but also the classic ecstatics like Rumi and Sufi whirling.. I'm about to go on retreat with an incredible woman here in Melbourne that shares the techniques of "cultivating female sexual energy" with women only 4 day lush time to be had by all... (mmm must line up some rhp guys for after that... ) For me, the place that blew me away at this first swingers party was the permission we all gave each other. The permission for YES and NO, the offering and invitation... not one moment did I feel that I must anything... this allowed me such a deep raw fire within that I could just honestly follow... ah, linking the study to the reality... gotta do it, otherwise it's a whole bunch of academics wanking... not that there's anything wrong with wanking... Enjoy! it is your world after all.... Belil. had to read it twice, been a long day and don't do more than two lines real well,but ya seem to have a head on those shoulders. cudos to you sweetheart.Earl, lovin a girl that drinks beer, ahahahahahahahahahahahaaha
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RHP User
16 years ago
I didn't load up that pic on purpose, seems to be on of the few that fit, but I've had such comment on it... Lucky I actually do like beer, good beer, that is a Mountain Goat... some of Melbourne's finest. I enjoyed the write, glad you enjoyed the read... Belil
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RHP User
16 years ago
I find most "Swingers" we have met on here are just normal people that are simply a little more open minded about most things in life......including sex. Not that I think many of us reading this need it, but the survey does make you feel a lil warm and fuzzy thinking we are not all social misfits and weirdo's like some media outlets portray etc :D
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RHP User
16 years ago
"Philosophy is the struggle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language." Ludwig Wittgenstein. In this case dirty language! It is non sequitur to think swingers are 'more open minded', the absolute opposite could be the truth. Since sensuality is grounded in materialism and the material world is inherently limited. Whereas the 'spiritual' is infinite, therefore, spiritual mindedness is more likely to result in open mindedness. Thought I would just throw a spanner in the works, given the topic subject !!!!!!!!! I suspect the real philosophical problem is how to harmonise 'sensuality' and 'spirituality', obsession with either one to the exclusion of the other, results in philosophical confusion and an impoverishment of the human condition! Which is the more important though, ecstasy or enlightenment, or can you have both? Bill
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RHP User
16 years ago
how about ecstatic enlightenment??? Personally my favourite spiritual practice is cultivating my female sexual energy, using it to circulate and explore my ecstatic capacity... perhaps also because I consider "enlightenment"to be about how much light you can carry, how much you let through you, and when the sexual encounter is illuminated with said light, tis there that the sacred sexual union, with all, with any, with the one, can, just ever so gently caress the soul... Belil
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RHP User
16 years ago
Quoting 'Billy_Ya_Man'"Philosophy is the struggle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language." Ludwig Wittgenstein. In this case dirty language! It is non sequitur to think swingers are 'more open minded', the absolute opposite could be the truth. Since sensuality is grounded in materialism and the material world is inherently limited. Whereas the 'spiritual' is infinite, therefore, spiritual mindedness is more likely to result in open mindedness. Thought I would just throw a spanner in the works, given the topic subject !!!!!!!!! I suspect the real philosophical problem is how to harmonise 'sensuality' and 'spirituality', obsession with either one to the exclusion of the other, results in philosophical confusion and an impoverishment of the human condition! Which is the more important though, ecstasy or enlightenment, or can you have both? Bill Bill I love your thinking. Great to see someone on here moving past the sexual and another notch on the bed type of thinking. Of course you are right if what you say is that sensuality is grounded in materialism, however I am not convinced this is true for all. I believe there is a freedom found in swinging and being involved in it actually assists us to develop ourselves to be less possessive and materialistic. Many of us learn that jealousy is about ownership and control, what could be more materialistic than that? However many swingers find that this need for ownership and control is in reality a falsehood and unrealistic. We discover that if a person choses to be with us it is more because they have found something in being together that is beyond what society tells us commitment should be all about. They let go of these constructs and through freedom to make your own choices find they are often together for more spiritual reasons. The study indicates that many swingers are highly spiritual and well educated so there is a real possibility that they are looking for a higher understanding of relationship than the physical and material. Of course the study also indicates that they are also mostly middle class and reasonable well to do, which indicates some focus on the materialist life. However the question is once you have most of everything materialism can give you, where do you go to from there? Maybe that is the starting point for many to begin challenging the norms and discovering new levels of connection with their partners. However I do agree for some it is still just about how many different people they can bonk. For us it is most likely still a bit of both, pure lust, enjoyment as a couple, but also the discovery of people who like to challenge the norms and who have found something beyond owning and controlling each other, which is a wonderful freedom and I believe a spiritual journey in itself. What do you think? Rob
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RHP User
16 years ago
YUM, that's a place I can live in... oh, I already do! I understand entirely that place of the ownership, that for all these years of sharing skin, I still don't get how that makes it that you "own" me now... or I own you. Perhaps also tis to do with the way women open up sexually... when we are fairly closed, sex is what we pay with to get the relationship we need, rather than the sexual expression bubbling up from the center of a woman, where it is a fire that will be fed, can be harsh, but mostly warming and igniting to the souls of others... when more and more women live from there... who knows what the world may change to! Belil
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Letsgetcrazy09
16 years ago
Thankyou for your well thought out and articulated response. So many points that were brought up I can only agree with. Cheers Lets
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