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Male facial hair...Permanent removal
March 03 2016
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
Laser IPL would be the only method. But being very much a hormonal driven hair area, it is the hardest area to successfully treat. I have done my entire body with my own personal IPL unit. I am now doing my face. I had my face professionaly treated in the past with anout 10 treatments but 80% grew back. As its not costing anything to retreat, ill keep at it. It may just mean retreating every few weeks to maintain but easier than shaving every day. Thats not to say that your face would not be easier. We are all different.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Some women love a bit of stubble to grind up on ;) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
Is another great option. But costly and painful for the face. Are you sure you don't want to one day grow a big beard! (Please say no 😉) Good on you for exploring other alternatives. And Annie......love hair free, smooth skin mmmmmm.
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RHP User
10 years ago
You don't have to answer - but where have you been layered? I want to laser everything except for eye lashes, eye brows and head hair haha!
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RHP User
10 years ago
Not layered!
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RHP User
10 years ago
Yes we have a few which is good! I might check them out
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RHP User
10 years ago
That's 2 LOLs for you... 1- No beards for me. When 100% at work, I typically don't shave until it gets itchy. But if I have a date, then it can be up to 6 times...and there is always a bit that you missed somewhere. 😡 And then it grows back 😡😡😡😡😡. I even tried hair removal cream. Nasty stuff...do not try that.!! 2- Layered. Freudian slip maybe? Gave me a chuckle. 😁😁😁 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
Grinding up on stubble may have a place, but that place is definitely not found between legs. Sand paper time. Not good. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
Just checked prices. OMG. I think a clinic is a good option. 😁😁 Thank you one and all for your sage insights. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
No pain no gain!!!
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RHP User
10 years ago
I have just ordered 3 different permanent hair removal technologies from ebay. For a total of about $320 AUD. I will post my findings here as a reference to anothers. PS: I bought a cheap Electrolysis Tweezer unit from ebay about 5 years ago and can comment on that. It was slow going and painful to pluck out, but the experimental patch, has never grown a hair since. That was on my neck, under that jaw line. However, when I tried a few on my chin, I found them much deeper and harder to remove. The result there was disasterous. I got a nasty ingrown hair or such and ended up getting a piece of my face chopped out. That put an end to that. Now I regret losing the unit because it really did a great job on the easier hairs on my neck. And I can't seem to find another unit like it on ebay. Time for new technologies. 👍
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RHP User
10 years ago
I got my first device today. Epila SI-808. Pros: I have every confidence that it will be effective because when I trialed it, it actually fried some of my hair completely. Sent them up in smoke. That should've fried the follicle. Cons: The beam is very concentrated. Pretty much a one at a time device. Going to take forever. I will try to concentrate on an area about the size of a fingernail on my chin..the toughest spot. Need to be careful that I don't overcook myself though.
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RHP User
10 years ago
...do laser hair removal treatments come with an increased risk of skin damage? Do they give you some sort of standard warning first? Skin cancer is what I'm getting at. I just wonder as it seems a logical progression if UV light and tanning treatments do.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I just checked the wavelength of my device. It is 800nm. UV is shorter than 310nm. So the laser is actually at the opposite end of the visible spectrum range. Red being about 700nm. So the laser is really getting into the infra red range. I do tend to believe the claims that there is no damage to the skin tissue because, as the beam is so fine, I can't feel anything when I miss the target folice. Last night I just lay in bed and shot myself repeatedly. I could tell when it found its target because of the pain. Typically being on target is noticeable and sometimes it actually made me flinch because it actually hurt. Which would indicate that it was doing its job...frying the follicle beyond repair. I can't see any reduction in my test areas as yet. Apparently the hair should just fall out..but none seemed to be willing at thing point, even though I followed up with a good scrub with exfoliation gloves. The experiment continues. 👍
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QLDtwo4fun
10 years ago
If your dad doesn't have a beard you've got two mums. Don't get carried away with hair removal you may one day regret.
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
Laser has no uv in the wavelength of the light. The pulsed light also stimulates the collagen in the skin so is actually beneficial in the short term.......if you follow instructions. But then there was a time asbestos was the bees knees.....
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Koolgrey' ...do laser hair removal treatments come with an increased risk of skin damage? Do they give you some sort of standard warning first? Skin cancer is what I'm getting at. I just wonder as it seems a logical progression if UV light and tanning treatments do. No, strong light at visible* wavelengths isn't damaging like UV. You could sit in front of an LED torch all day and it won't do anything, UV is energetic enough that it can kick off chemical reactions (there are certain wavelengths of UV in the upper end that are ionising, but that is absorbed by the atmosphere way up high) They still give you a warning IIRC, you could potentially get burning and scarring from it, so skin damage is possible, but not skin cancer like UV could give. (UV is also important for you to produce vitamin D, so, it isn't all bad) * = yes, I know UV can be see by some people (e.g. those without lenses) but mostly it can't be seen.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Koolgrey' ...do laser hair removal treatments come with an increased risk of skin damage? Do they give you some sort of standard warning first? Skin cancer is what I'm getting at. I just wonder as it seems a logical progression if UV light and tanning treatments do. No, strong light at visible* wavelengths isn't damaging like UV. You could sit in front of an LED torch all day and it won't do anything, UV is energetic enough that it can kick off chemical reactions (there are certain wavelengths of UV in the upper end that are ionising, but that is absorbed by the atmosphere way up high) They still give you a warning IIRC, you could potentially get burning and scarring from it, so skin damage is possible, but not skin cancer like UV could give. (UV is also important for you to produce vitamin D, so, it isn't all bad) * = yes, I know UV can be see by some people (e.g. those without lenses) but mostly it can't be seen.
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RHP User
10 years ago
..thanks folks. Off-topic and speaking of LED torches...I received one of those little "Tactical" torches in the mail last week. The LED puts out so much heat it will set fire to paper! Great gadget.. Sorry. Back to topic.
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RHP User
10 years ago
LMAO.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Whilst the terms IPL and laser are typically interchangeable, I think that there is a difference. IPL is more like a shotgun..a wide spread scatter, dispensed in bursts. Whereas laser is very focused and defined. The device that I am currently using is definitely a laser. When I first turned it on and aimed it at show dark plastic, it cut straight through it. Admittedly it was thin plastic. Also, I found that the beam would pretty much stay on if I held the button in. So instead of trying to target a follicle, last night I just held it on and moved very slowly across a small area. It was very noticeable when it came across a follicle and got a direct hit. Unfortunately I must have accidentally hit the same spot several times as I worked side to side, a little lower each time, because I gave myself a blister in one spot. However having given that one small area a pretty good coverage, I was a bit disappointed to see no reduction in hairs. I am sure that most are fried, but the hairs are relunctant to come out and I don't want to pull out a hair that isn't completely fried for fear a getting an ingrown hair. Hmmm.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I only have one tattoo and it is my wedding ring. I wanted a really well done gold band that really looked like a normal wedding band. No slipping had off and pretending to be single. 👌 As it happened, I found myself in the LA studio of "LA Ink" right on my anniversary. They were filming at the time, and when done, I discussed my idea with the guy at the counter, expecting that they would jump at it for screening on the show. Instead, he strongly adviced me not to get a tattoo on my finger. He said that it will fade and blur and that everyone that he knew that had one regretted it as an eyesore. I left to ponder it overnight and returned the next day to say that I understood the concerns but wanted to do it anyway. He went and spoke to Kat, who nodded, and then spoke to each artist in turn. Then he came back and announced that every artists refused to do it because it is a reflection on them and it will end up looking terrible in time. So I got it done at a local tattoo studio in Oz. Again the artist expressed concerns and eventually conceded to do it but with my wifes initial in the band. Less than a year later, my wife and I split up. I have no issue with the gold band, because it represents an undeniably significant part of my life. But the black initial makes it look tacky and I want that gone. Prompted by your post Summer, I researched laser tattoo removal and my device is pretty for removing the black ink without destroying the yellow and brown that make up the gold band. Time for some DIY tattoo removal. 👍👍👍
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Koolgrey'Off-topic and speaking of LED torches...I received one of those little "Tactical" torches in the mail last week. The LED puts out so much heat it will set fire to paper! just don't buy them from those sites advertising on facebook - the same torches are on banggood for much cheaper. Great light output for the money! Quoting 'SNAG4XTC' Whilst the terms IPL and laser are typically interchangeable, I think that there is a difference. IPL is more like a shotgun..a wide spread scatter, dispensed in bursts. Whereas laser is very focused and defined. The device that I am currently using is definitely a laser. When I first turned it on and aimed it at show dark plastic, it cut straight through it. Admittedly it was thin plastic. ... However having given that one small area a pretty good coverage, I was a bit disappointed to see no reduction in hairs. I am sure that most are fried, but the hairs are relunctant to come out and I don't want to pull out a hair that isn't completely fried for fear a getting an ingrown hair. Hmmm. a laser works at a specific wavelength of light, so it can be tuned for best results i.e. maximum absorption by the hair. A laser isn't necessarily just a point/small beam. What device are you using? be careful with strong lasers IIRC from when I got lasered, the hairs fall out anyway - but they need to be in anaphase to have the right follicle damage to stop it growing back (why one treatment isn't enough)
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RHP User
10 years ago
OMG. That worked. My research proved correct. The wavelength of the laser had pretty much no effect on the yellow, but when it hit the dark line it bit in. I gave it one go, which about 20 seconds and thought that I could discern some fading / blurring. Later, I gave it a second hit, just to make sure. This morning I awoke to find the entire letter, an S, sitting up prominately with the colouring almost gone. I am going to be very careful with it, lest it is a blister and will result in scarring if I disturb it. Research told me to leave it for about 2 months, to give the colour time to diffuse away and looking at my finger now...I trust that instruction. If fact I wouldn't be surprised if another treatment will prove unnecessary. Amazed with the effectiveness of the device. Just hope that I didn't overdo it 😕
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RHP User
10 years ago
I haven't retreated the area that I blitzed the other night. Just had a half hearted quick blast elsewhere. I have had 2 or 3 spots come up as tiny blisters. I am not expecting any regrowth from those areas, but it is a drop in the ocean. 😕
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Andremmo
10 years ago
I'm following this thread with interest Snag. It's good to hear your experiences with the DIY laser as I've long considered doing hair removal that way but was worried about whether it was just a waste of time and money.
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
Blistering your skin is not normal. And on your face is not an ideal spot for permanent skin damage. Consumer grade equipment have built in safety interlocks to prevent improper use. Damaging the skin does not mean the hair root system is damaged.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Re: Tattoo removal. The swelling went down a couple of days ago. Not sure whether I popped a blister or it just receded. The black is still quite evident but time will tell. Need to leave it to gradually disperse for a month or 2 before making any judgement and follow up treatment should be expected, according to my research. Re: Laser vs hair. I have given up on using the laser on hairs for now. Having not shaved since I began my trial, I am not noting any thinning or retardation of grow.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Today I got my second trial device. Homelight Lescolton HPL (Home Pulsed Light). This device will treat 4 square centimtres per hit. As a trial, I zapped only the right side of my face. And not where I had previously used the laser. I will continue to only treat the one side to gain a comparison. Although I have not shaved since beginning my trials, due to concerns about getting ingrown hairs or other such complications, I will be starting my R&R tomorrow, so it is shave time. To be continued.
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RHP User
10 years ago
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RHP User
10 years ago
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RHP User
10 years ago
Sorry for the wall of text but I hope someone finds this useful, I've (unfortunately) had a bit of experience with hair removal Electrolysis is the only way to permanently get rid of the hairs... it will take a long time to get to a full clear to the point you no longer need to shave (probably 100+ hours at ~$80+ p/h) so it will get expensive. The operator experience is probably the most important thing, next to the machine being used.. The cheapy eBay electrolysis pens are a waste of time overall and you risk skin damage (scarring) and just not clearing the hair along with damaging the follicle so that it harder/impossible to treat.. Proper machines are the size of an office laser printer and cost thousands of dollars.. It also is probably going to hurt every session no matter their skill or your tolerance (its similar to being pricked with a pin) so use lidocaine on the area ~30min before your appointment and drop a panadol or two.. IPL doesn't really work long term nor does Laser give truly permanent (ie 2-3+ years) results, it is only 'reduction' as eventually a small proportion (usually 25-50%) of the follicles will come back Start with laser to get the big areas removed then maintain using electrolysis.. don't bother at all with IPL, the evidence just isn't good enough to warrant it The only treatment that will remove them FOREVER is electrolysis, don't let them sell you into believing otherwise.. x
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RHP User
10 years ago
LOL. nice one. I have always been a guy that will turn my hand to anything, and "H1212 - Elective surgery at home" is not something new to me. I did however defer to other people when I had my kidney removed. It was just too hard to reach to do it myself. 😷
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RHP User
10 years ago
Thank you for your informative post. I agree that Electrolysis is best. But I did have success with that via ebay DYI many years ago. Using Electrolysis Tweezers (my ex) trialed an area about the size of a 20 cent peice on my neck. It took about an hour but I have never had hair grow there since. I discontinued use after trying it on chin hair and getting an ingrown that resulted in getting a peice of my face chopped out.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Yep...I definitely should not have given it a second dose. Yes, it was blistered and it popped. A couple of days ago, it got a little sore and I could see that the was a mild infection. Dr SNAG to the rescue. Treated it with Betadine..all good now. So while the tattoo is still quite evident, I think that between the laser treatment, subsequent blistering and mild infection, I except that it will be greatly reduced be the time my finger gets back to 100%.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I got my last trial device last night. I haven't trialled it yet but I am optimistic. It is a... Verseo ePen Electrolysis Pen. It also includes electrolysis tweezers and pads for doing larger areas. Given my previous good results with electrolysis tweezers, I am expecting good things. I plan to continue with the IPL on one side of my face and use this device on the other side. Let's see how they compare. 👍👍👍
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RHP User
10 years ago
Stumble means to fall over!!!! I think you meant stubble ....
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RHP User
10 years ago
For $350 Gillette in the shower and bit of shaving cream stills looks like a great deal !
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RHP User
10 years ago
As we are both firefighters, Mr has to shave every day in order to wear BA. Often giving a rash on the neck especially in hot weather. Keen to see the outcomes of different treatments. keep up the trial
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funcouple1
10 years ago
Is the laser hair removal safe on to be uesd on the genital area and is it permenent?
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
IPL and Laser is safe for genitals but not recomended for doing it yourself with home equipment. Yes it is permanent but some follow up treatment is sometimes required as a few hairs may sprout again but are very fine. I think i saw an advertisement for Brazilian IPL for $49. Usually 8-12 treatments? So $400+ Annie
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RHP User
10 years ago
My big concern here is ingrown hairs. Which is why I aborted using electrolysis tweezers years ago. I had to have one surgically removed. Today I gave it another go, but threw everything at it. Firstly, I gave the area a good blasting with the IPL, then followed up with the electrolysis patches. Finally, I used the electrolysis tweezers, repeating treatments until the hair would come out relatively freely. OMG. How slow. I ended up putting on a good doco and just don't it by touch as I relaxed. Unfortunately there is little to be seen for my efforts, because you typically are only grasping one 2 hairs and it takes up to a minute each time.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I have been focusing on the "Shannon Noll" patch under the bottom lip. Plucking, 1 or 2 at a time, for up to an hour. Talk about a slow process. I think that I might have to try a salon laser treatment next R&R. I keep zapping the area with my IPL, but they seem to keep coming. 😕 I figure that a good zap routine should knock out any new growth attempts that might become ingrown. So far so good. Should only take a few more years 😀😀
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RHP User
10 years ago
It appears that only half the tat got really overdosed. Probably because the top half of the S is a tigher circle, so it got more concentration in a little area. It now has a little scab there, which I am not touching. It will be interesting to compare the results of the 2 areas after another month.
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RHP User
9 years ago
My finger is still a bit too crusty to really tell, but it looks like the tattoo is pretty much gone in the overdosed area. Time will tell. 👍
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RHP User
9 years ago
As my DIY efforts were soo slow, I decided to try a Cleanskincare clinic IPL treatment. Wow! What a difference. The home IPL device that I got from ebay would generate a bit of heat here and there, but I would go over every inch twice. Whereas the proper machine felt like I was getting flicked with a red hot poker. They only did bits, not a every inch, but that was ok because it was pretty intense and I am sure those follicles are fried. But it won't work on grey hairs, so I still have plenty of home treatments with the electrolysis tweezers to do in parallel. They told me not to do both because it can generate too much heat, but really? One hair at a time doesn't make much difference.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Now that it has settled down, the tattoo is still quite prominent. I will allow a bit more time then zap it again.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Post (professional) IPL treatment and I have come up with pimples in the treated areas...more the shallow wide ones that the squeezers. Bloody hell...pizza face wasn't exactly the youthful look that I was angling for. 😱
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RHP User
9 years ago
I had a solar cheilosis removed from my lip by laser ablation recently it hurt like buggery but it's better now.Snag I can recommend a doctor if you want.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I condition a lot and use beard oils and balms and it sofents it. Haven't had any complaints from partners when giving a kiss or when under the sheets. I assume The products would do the same job on stuble. If it doesn't at least your stubble will have a unique scent. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'pistol_pepito' I condition a lot and use beard oils and balms and it sofents it. Haven't had any complaints from partners when giving a kiss or when under the sheets. I assume The products would do the same job on stuble. If it doesn't at least your stubble will have a unique scent. I think it's more likely that while conditioning has an effect - the major factor is that the beard has long hairs, so the person is brushing up against the sides of the hairs rather than the cut ends of the hairs in the case of stubble. Also, the stubble is close to the skin so that gives it more support so instead of the hair bending, the sharper cut end of the hair stays still when the other person's skin brushes against it.
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