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Pick up artistry or just plain old manipulation
February 02 2014
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RHP User
12 years ago
Manipulation is considered a fine art by some. But then so are paintings made with human faeces. I think it's shit, no matter how good you make it look.
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gazpacho
12 years ago
I think it's a communication skill. the word "manipulation" doesn't rest easy with me... it implies that a person is being influenced against their better judgement, whereas what's actually happening is that circumstances are being manoeuvred for more congenial communication. :p HugsGazpacho xxxx
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RHP User
12 years ago
What you mean with an example. Sometimes the same pick up technique can be cute coming from one person but sleazy coming from another. Either way - the person is trying to get what they want.
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Smilingwithfun
12 years ago
Definition of manipulation. I would feel that each of us has there own idea of what it is. What is manipulation to one is not to another. A fine art, more just a judgement of what is & isn't manipulation
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RHP User
12 years ago
It doesn't matter how you dress up an ass... It's still an ass :) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Brute force Good locks on the door, and grabbing them buy the ankles and crying, when they try to leave is my manipulation. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
I think it is more deception..
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RHP User
12 years ago
This is where people show too much of their true self in regards to sexuality. I would never call it a pick up, or an art, and most defiantly not a manipulation. These terms imply that you are using someone for your own gain, that sex is something only for your benefit and there is little regard for the other persons wants and needs. This attitude, that so many men seem to have works against them. Nobody wants to be used, treated like a throw away commodity. People are not stupid and quickly realize that you are interested in only one thing. You may get lucky and that person is after the same thing, but that is rare and has nothing to do with you apart from being in the right place at the right time. You should not be "picking up" you should be befriending people, you should be interested in getting to know them. Then maybe if you click and the circumstances are right you may have sex. Having sex with someone that you respect and that respects you is so much better than sex with toy you have picked up from the display isles. The goal is friendship not sex.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I agree with what you're saying, I was just putting it out there that I've noticed this sort of thing. I actually find it appalling that some people would prey on a persons vulnerabilities and self consciousness in order to sleep with them.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Blind.... While I do agree in principle..... I will offer a potentially semantic qualification of your comment. Some people I meet, will not become friends. That is likely a case of geography or timing..... But, in that particular time and place, we are more than FRIENDLY with each other.... and are attracted to, and will seduce each other. But friendship in its generally accepted longer-term definition will not develop.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I will put my hand up and state that one woman has suggested that I am/was manipulative. As expected, I disagree. I have invested considerable time and effort educating myself how to communicate better, and effectively. In the working world, we call this a skill.... so why is it any different when knowledge is applied beyond sales into the world we live in when we're not working?! (if such knowledge is also applied with integrity, andfor mutual benefit). There are numerous topics in these forums about how to write messages, how to draft appealing profiles, how to take better photos... and theyre all asking the same thing.... "how do I communicate better... more effectively" And there are no shortage of people offering advice (knowledge) on how to do just that.... with the presumption that the person asking will actually learn from it. Simply changing how you present to others without actually BEING how you present, is manipulative. So.... back to that one woman. Was she right?Did I manipulate her into liking me enough for her to want to become sexual with me on a number of occasions? The the paradox of her being right, would be that she was NOT a willing participant to our ongoing mutual interest, attraction, and seduction, and that there was no pleasurable benefit to her in sharing my company. You can figure it out for yourselves. DG
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RHP User
12 years ago
Can you give us some example of the behaviour you're seeing?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Semantics. Friend, is the term I used but it is not about becoming friends, its the attitude that counts. If you view someone as but a place to wet your willy the odds of that actually happening drop dramatically. If you want to pick up go to a brothel because most women hate being treated as part of a line up at the local $1 blow and go. That is why most guys just cant get anywhere, they think only of them selves.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'ApolloThirteen'What you mean with an example. Sometimes the same pick up technique can be cute coming from one person but sleazy coming from another. Either way - the person is trying to get what they want. "You have the most beautiful ears." . Seduction: I'm pretty sure women like compliments, and her ears are really divine. Pick-up artist: I know all women like to be complimented, but she probably gets told she looks good all the time. So I'll pick something she won't get complimented on often to get her attention". . "How are you this morning, cheekbones?" . Seduction: She does have the most stunning cheekbones! Pick-up artist: I'm giving her a deliberate nickname to create an in-joke, and therefore intimacy, between us. . Does that make any sense? The actions may be the same, but the motivation is very different. And that's where the deliberate manipulation comes in. . . And DG, I remember that story. And I remember saying at the time that sure, it works for a while and can fantastic for the women. In that case she's more than a willing participant and feels desired, respected and special. Problem is that it doesn't last, women catch on. So do tell, how long did you see each other for before she ended it?
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RHP User
12 years ago
I just bash 'em over the head with my personality then drag 'em home.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Bring me TIMTAMS, and a fucking awesome caffe latte :) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Mischeviouslad'In the working world, we call this a skill.... so why is it any different when knowledge is applied beyond sales into the world we live in when we're not working?! (if such knowledge is also applied with integrity, andfor mutual benefit). There's only so far you can take that analogy before it starts getting very icky.
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madotara69
12 years ago
Quoting 'Stir_it_alot' Bring me TIMTAMS, and a fucking awesome caffe latte :) - Posted from rhpmobile The old TIMTAM slam, bight the ends off and suck the caffe latte, like through a straw. Stir you have just manipulated us to drive 20 km and back, just to have a fucking TIMTAM slam. harcore alright.(intimidation look) Mado Tara xx
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Mischeviouslad' In the working world, we call this a skill.... so why is it any different when knowledge is applied beyond sales into the world we live in when we're not working?! When you mentioned the word "sales", I immediately thought of a used car salesman. , Sure you can sell me a shiny red convertible and I'll be happy with it for a while. But then I will notice the marks on the pleather (Pleather?! It was supposed to be leather!) and the fact that the engine isn't half as reliable as I was fooled into believing. .
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RHP User
12 years ago
Only if the earlobes are being sucked on! But I get what youre saying.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' Quoting 'Mischeviouslad' In the working world, we call this a skill.... so why is it any different when knowledge is applied beyond sales into the world we live in when we're not working?! When you mentioned the word "sales", I immediately thought of a used car salesman. , Sure you can sell me a shiny red convertible and I'll be happy with it for a while. But then I will notice the marks on the pleather (Pleather?! It was supposed to be leather!) and the fact that the engine isn't half as reliable as I was fooled into believing. . Totally agree.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Sure you need to sell yourself and to be able to communicate with impact. I also agree that these are skills that people can learn, and should learn. As long as someone is genuine & sincere that is great. I too, would feel a bit like one in a crowd and not special at all if I thought someone had "planned" their seduction down to the type of compliments they would give. It's all in the delivery... if you make it sound as if it was just a gimmick then you have failed. No?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Got a profile? Congratulations..... You're in sales. Product line, YOU ;-) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' Sure you can sell me a shiny red convertible and I'll be happy with it for a while. But then I will notice the marks on the pleather (Pleather?! It was supposed to be leather!) and the fact that the engine isn't half as reliable as I was fooled into believing. . Chicks dig scars and not completely reliable can be considered quirky.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Nothing wrong with sales. Just dodgy ones. Agenda's are fine too. Hidden ones are not.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I totally dig scars ;-)
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RHP User
12 years ago
Emotional scars? lol - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
But the bruises I got from the last time I was in Sydney are just starting to fade. I felt so used. And loved it!
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gazpacho
12 years ago
That's cold. It's not like people are customers and you're looking for an annual turnover. I get the sales thing, so far as it is promotional... but that's a marketing procedure, not sales... I draw the distinction. I'm in marketing... marketing myself. lol.. or not.... marketing stress relief. lol... Marketing relief from female hysteria.. lol. I prefer repeat customers. HugsGazpacho
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' I totally dig scars ;-)
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Mischeviouslad' Got a profile? Congratulations..... You're in sales. Product line, YOU ;-) - Posted from rhpmobile Yeah yeah, it all looks good on paper and they may even pass the initial interview........ however if you can't back up your claims you still wont get past the probationary period.
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RHP User
12 years ago
...is when a person has a hidden agenda whereby I perseeve "pick up" as no hidden agenda. You know exactly what game is that's being played. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
I think..... I need another TimTam..... But.... To make a point about cars....when you go looking to buy a car, you already know what you want.... Or at least I do.... :) - Posted from rhpmobile
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MsSuperFoxy
12 years ago
Players and then there are PLAYERS. The object is to get a home run, score...however to manipulate a persons vulnerabilities, innocence and sincerity so they get that home run is a form of emotional manipulation in my eyes. Sadly people do this behaviour, I call them predators, as they will groom people to get their home run. I don't like it when people are taken advantage of, or me for that matter..Makes me feel upset. :( FOXY
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RHP User
12 years ago
Took me ages to figure this out after my divorce... I kept thinking, I'm good looking, nice & genuine, successful, nice house. Was it enough.... well I couldn't get laid so obviously these attribute were not enough. Meeting women is a game, anyone who doesn't get that should really have a good look how it works in the real world... Pubs, Clubs, parties, the street etc... Behaving nice & friendly & you get squat. Tease, taught, be mysterious, be dominate, lead & you have a chance. When you get it right it's load of fun... both feel the tension.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Struggling with the subtleties of an example. Will get back to you shortly
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RHP User
12 years ago
Some guy told me about the negative hit technique. The reasoning is that attractive women don't respond to compliments. Instead hit twice with something bitchy followed up with a half-arsed compliment. Target apparantly will be secured. Ick . - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'inspirit'...is when a person has a hidden agenda whereby I perseeve "pick up" as no hidden agenda. You know exactly what game is that's being played. Seducing/picking up: Agenda. Some are more skilful than others and confidence has a lot to do with it. . Doing it the pick-up artist's way: Hidden agenda = Manipulation. Confidence is key, but so are a lot of little (hidden) techniques, which I would call tricks. Come to think of it: A magician captivates his audience with misdirection, but meanwhile uses a lot of smoke and mirrors. Ever see those shows where they explain how it's done? Is the magician half as appealing afterwards?.
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MsSuperFoxy
12 years ago
I have to agree...I believe the key to "picking up" is confidence, not cocky confidence but confidence of being happy with who you are, knowing yourself. I also believe those who manipulate others have some hidden self esteem issues and they use the form of manipulation to hide behind. It might be (for example) unresolved issues, hiding hurt from a breakup. The hidden agenda is a learnt behaviour, cause they've learnt over time how to hide their unresolved issues. I also believe people will use sex to fill that void of a heartbreak and manipulate people to get that. If one has inner self confidence they will pick that up. Inner beauty is attractive in my eyes. Foxy
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MsSuperFoxy
12 years ago
I have to agree...I believe the key to "picking up" is confidence, not cocky confidence but confidence of being happy with who you are, knowing yourself. I also believe those who manipulate others have some hidden self esteem issues and they use the form of manipulation to hide behind. It might be (for example) unresolved issues, hiding hurt from a breakup. The hidden agenda is a learnt behaviour, cause they've learnt over time how to hide their unresolved issues. I also believe people will use sex to fill that void of a heartbreak and manipulate people to get that. If one has inner self confidence they will pick that up. Inner beauty is attractive in my eyes. Foxy
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gazpacho
12 years ago
Quoting 'inspirit' ...is when a person has a hidden agenda whereby I perseeve "pick up" as no hidden agenda. You know exactly what game is that's being played. - Posted from rhpmobile That's really the essence of it, isn't it. The manipulation concept implies men hold all the smarts. Really, who's manipulating who? I'm a social dumbass and people just jump on my dick and take advantage of me because of my saucy smile. HugsGazpacho
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RHP User
12 years ago
The irony here, people... Is that the amount of effort you're going to in decrying such unscrupulous people is that you're confirming their methods have worked on you. So are you easily manipulated, or, did it just not work out how you wanted and the agenda is now jaded vengeance. Can you pick sincerity after disappointment of your own agenda at the time? There are no shortage of women who use their looks, charm and sexual availability to attract men to share in his looks, power, money or lifestyle.... and men fall for it all too easily. Even in here judgements are made based on such representations. Consider the "Rhp hot" phenomenon as some ladies refer to it. Perceptions can be very relative :-) DG - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Using your looks, charm and sexual availability is not a hidden agenda. It's called putting yourself out there. And yes, these tricks have worked on me, I have no problem saying that. Though as I said earlier, only for a short time. I have also been lied to by people in my life (and have believed some of the lies.) Does that make me gullible? ;-)
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RHP User
12 years ago
OF COURSE using looks etc is a hidden agenda..... It's done because (royal) you seek something from others THROUGH their use. Hence the word "using". It's a deliberate method. To believe otherwise is not being honest with ones self. Communicating in particular ways is as you say.... "putting yourself out there." Some use it with disingenuous purpose..... others don't. That's life. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'd like to hear what others think?
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madotara69
12 years ago
I think we all manipulate things with people to some extent, some use others to get what they want, with no care but for thier own experience, none for the interests to any other. Makes for the worst kind of manipulation, greed and selfishness, deceptive and recklessness. All the charm of a toasted muffin. Mado Mado Tara xx
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RHP User
12 years ago
Picture the motivational speaker., Anthony Robbins. He has learned to communicate so effectively that he has become the worlds most recognizable, and wealthy speaker. Through emotive use of language he effectively manipulates crowds of people into feeling emboldened and positive. ..... Is this an agenda, or is it simply empowering? If those in the crowd feel better and upbeat as a result, and it creates a powerful positive response within those people who gain from the experience..... is it wrong that they want to be in the presence of that speaker again? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Now, compare that to the typical evangelical church head who does much the same thing. Is THAT an agenda? In both cases the people listening CHOOSE to listen, and participate. Or is it merely a case of perspective from individual experience that colours our view. DG - Posted from rhpmobile
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madotara69
12 years ago
That comes down to each as an individual, to at some point come to the feelings to have been liberated or used, not necessarily at any particular moment, perhaps at something that triggers reflection, hindsight
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RHP User
12 years ago
Do I have to?? I kinda feel like I'm watching a debate between the ALP and the NATLIB parties, and I'm the one steering the worm :) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
They 100% manipulate people. They brain wash, they play on people's fears, greed and they prey on the uneducated. To what purpose most of the time? Not because they really want to save people's souls. Definitely disagree DG with that comment, in fact I am surprised you even made it.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Good looks CAN be used to manipulate others. That is completely different to a good looking person being genuinely attracted to someone, isn't it. We can't help the way we look but we all choose how we use this. For instance we all dress well for job interviews, first dates, etc because first impressions are important to everybody. As for women using their good looks, tits or arse to find a sugar daddy or rich husband. Well yeah, they are manipulating the man. The older I get the more I think.... Good on them!
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madotara69
12 years ago
Of course we choose to it, it is the tool manipulators rely on. We can only blame ourselves, later to become aware for further choices. Manipulation is a part of human behaviour, life's lessons come of it. I believe so.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I would say yes. :p
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RHP User
12 years ago
Often the woman is playing the guy like a fish. He thinks he is in control but......
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RHP User
12 years ago
So it's all ok when a woman does it lol..... But not politicians, or the church..... or god forbid a man who might be interested in sharing good experiences with a woman he finds attractive. I think we've finally had a breakthrough hahaha - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Anthony Robbins isn't lying to a room full of people in order to sleep with them, he's using his communication skills to do nothing more than give people a boost in confidence and self esteem, there is a huge difference
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madotara69
12 years ago
Turn a fish three times and you have got him. You're a darling Meeka, love some of your visions.
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madotara69
12 years ago
But all I can picture, is Meeka in the chair, cocked and braced with a firm grip on Strappy, with a live one on the go. Oh the wonderful gift of imagination.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I didn't say it was wrong DG... Well just that if the other person finds out you have failed in your objective. I think you would agree with that. Besides it's all shifty behaviour.... Isn't it?
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RHP User
12 years ago
You just manipulated me into saying that! It's not right! Hehe
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RHP User
12 years ago
As for playing men like fish, I mean that in the nicest possible way. I know when a man is flirting and trying to convince me to have sex. It's a game we play. Do I believe what they say.... No I don't. Problem is when one person is not aware that it's a game ... But the manipulator carries on regardless. Now submit to your knees DG and say you are sorry already! :P (Just jokes)
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gazpacho
12 years ago
A very stiff fish, in my experience. HugsGazpacho.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting you "The irony here, people... Is that the amount of effort you're going to in decrying such unscrupulous people is that you're confirming their methods have worked on you. So are you easily manipulated, or, did it just not work out how you wanted and the agenda is now jaded vengeance." I found this comment in particular offensive, somewhat ill-educated and condescendingly arrogant. Don't for a moment attemp to judge someone's intelligence or slam them with the bitter pill statements simply because they fell foul of someone else's "manipulation". I'm with Foxxxy's viewpoint on this. Yes we all have our hidden agendas at some level and then there are those who are content to rely on their God given honest attibutes to win the product of the moment award. Personally there are some types here whose marketing campaigns are about as transparent and worthless as the single ply loo paper your finger inevitably rips through at the worst possible monent. Then there's the skilled marketing professionals with a resume all glossy and smooth who have all the right words but invariably still seek some who may be more the deer in the headlights type, eventually they slip off their own shit abd get found out before too much harm is done. Then there's the double-ply, soft but strong and comforting marketing strategy that really draws you in. These types don't go for the weakest impala in the herd but consider taking down the primest and strongest as a sign of their own prowess. It's the constant nanipulation, strategising and regrouping undertaken to keep the quarry off balance juuuust sufficiently to make them hesitate to believe they'll be taken out. It isn't enough when people say "Oh no not you, never YOU!" Or "What were you thinking" when answering "You had to be there" doesn't cut it in your own mind. Don't write the people off who have come out the other side, survived, reconciled with themselves, grown and stregthened as being unintelligent suckers to begin with because that's not always the case. Nor are they bitter for voicing the cool reasoning of experience and knowledge. You can candy coat a turd but it still isn't going to go down a treat. I'm not bitter just a bit less trusting, slightly wiser, hopefully stronger and not about to be snyone's pushover. Now as for the lil red ferrari you're trying to sell me, the banana skins you put through it to soften the ricketty tappits and requirement for the rings to be replaced (being a major $ undertaking) and the harness polish (available at your feedbarn/saddler) you used to dress up the upholstery and the way you've indicated that you wouldn't drive my Dodge another kilometre wreaks of dodgy marketing and salesmanship. Lol come a lil bit closer while I whisper in you ear......I think quite a few strategies in RHP are fundamentally flawed 'cept maybe mine, 'cos my repeat business seems to be as a direct result of sssshhhhhh Honesty and less bullshit. Much love and interesting topic OP ~ She_Shift (aka Indy) PS Sorry DG but sometimes your perspective is slightly narrow x
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RHP User
12 years ago
Guess that makes me a less than adequately equipped biatch.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Well you can picture me... Stroking strappy with one hand and a cigar in the other. "What do you mean my visions boy! I tell it like it is" :p
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RHP User
12 years ago
Several in here seem to be choosing to ignore the words integrity and mutual benefit as I've applied them to my discussion points ;-).... That's where the distinction resides. But to play devils advocate here..... if you choose to keep willingly returning to the scene of what you feel is a crime of manipulation.....are you really being manipulated?!! Really?!!! Because that's like blaming Ronald McDonald for making you fat. - Posted from rhpmobile
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madotara69
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' Well you can picture me... Stroking strappy with one hand and a cigar in the other. "What do you mean my visions boy! I tell it like it is" :p you say we are fish then. he he
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RHP User
12 years ago
I do believe I said the exact opposite...
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RHP User
12 years ago
I sincerely believe "Hidden agenda" and "Integrity" are mutually exclusive.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Go to drinks night .... let all the guys make a twat of them self,and then i start to look like a great catch Mwahahah but... People are smart you can not be manipulated unless you want to!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' This is where people show too much of their true self in regards to sexuality. I would never call it a pick up, or an art, and most defiantly not a manipulation. These terms imply that you are using someone for your own gain, that sex is something only for your benefit and there is little regard for the other persons wants and needs. This attitude, that so many men seem to have works against them. Nobody wants to be used, treated like a throw away commodity. People are not stupid and quickly realize that you are interested in only one thing. You may get lucky and that person is after the same thing, but that is rare and has nothing to do with you apart from being in the right place at the right time. You should not be "picking up" you should be befriending people, you should be interested in getting to know them. Then maybe if you click and the circumstances are right you may have sex. Having sex with someone that you respect and that respects you is so much better than sex with toy you have picked up from the display isles. The goal is friendship not sex. Puts the toy boy back on the shelf, feels guilty and saunters out of the Bakery.
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RHP User
12 years ago
My last post got canned :( - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
And I believe the OP used the phrase "blatant manipulation"...... So if it's that blatant, an intelligent person clearly sees it ahead of time and wouldn't be caught by hidden agendas.... Right?! :-)..... And as for all the car analogies..... Regardless of the car you're sold..... we all know..... some people just suck at driving but road rage at others lol
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RHP User
12 years ago
You do suck at analogies, DG. I'm done, so let me bow out before people start thinking we dislike each other.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Some people are great at doing all forms of art while others just can't seem to do any? Some have a strong eye for fine art while others simply walk past ??
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RHP User
12 years ago
an example of our manipulative behaviour in attempting to "Bonk" someone... I try this line.."Lady! I would suck your shit to a point, and stab myself to death with it... just tell me when.." I am trying to find out if it is manipulative, contemplative, subversive or suggestive.
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RHP User
12 years ago
CAVEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY GROSS!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'gazpacho51' A very stiff fish, in my experience. HugsGazpacho. Very stiff huh? So tell me how do I bait that stiff fish? Shall bat my pretty blue eyes and say "Please Daddy, may I have some more?"
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RHP User
12 years ago
Did this forum go the way you intended? . . (Or did you plan it this way?)
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RHP User
12 years ago
Most topics have a life of there own, this one clearly has multiple personalities lol. I'm struggling to articulate exactly what I meant by manipulation. I'm working on it though
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RHP User
12 years ago
I really do love playing with humans I find my manipulation is much more suave than the pick up line I use....... "I wanna ride your RV"
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madotara69
12 years ago
Quoting 'cavey50' an example of our manipulative behaviour in attempting to "Bonk" someone... I try this line.."Lady! I would suck your shit to a point, and stab myself to death with it... just tell me when.." I am trying to find out if it is manipulative, contemplative, subversive or suggestive. Honourable Cavey
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RHP User
12 years ago
"Oh well..... Back to the drawing board"
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RHP User
12 years ago
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' Did this forum go the way you intended? . . (Or did you plan it this way?)
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RHP User
12 years ago
have you a fox trap
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RHP User
12 years ago
The sort of thing I was talking about was like, telling a single mother that you're super keen on a relationship and love kids etc just to get laid. ## I'm all for being crazy flirtatious, flattering the hell out of someone, all the good stuff. It's the underhanded stuff that really bothers me.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'LadyTuscan'Puts the toy boy back on the shelf, feels guilty and saunters out of the Bakery. There is always an unconditional return policy as long as the goods are not damaged. @MischeviousladThere is nothing wrong with the pick up as long as there is honesty in the approach. "Hi there I think you are very sexy and would like to gobble you up, starting at your toes." Is a pick up (attempt) if you intend to taste every part of her body. It is a manipulation is all you want is her to suck your dick till you blow.The blatant part is that all that know the person know that the person will say anything to get what is wanted, it does not mean the that person has "fuckwit" tattooed on his forehead for all to read.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'inspirit' Manipulation Maybe was the plan That was the joke.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Mischeviouslad' Several in here seem to be choosing to ignore the words integrity and mutual benefit as I've applied them to my discussion points ;-).... That's where the distinction resides. Although it has made for both an inciteful and insightful thread LoL
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RHP User
12 years ago
And I think you'll find the manipulation you are looking for. My preferred online dictionary provides this definition for "manipulate": to manage or influence skillfully, especially in an unfair manner: to manipulate people's feelings. Please note the caveat "especially in an unfair manner". In my experience if a person identifies as a "pick-up artist" then they are a creep and probably a sex offender too. Captain Awkward, The Pervocracy and a number of other geek-oriented blogs have discussed these concepts at length and the problematic techniques these people employ. Captain Awkward discusses PUA in the context of general predatory behaviour, while The Pervocracy discusses it in its own right. I recommend everybody good these blogs and read the entire archive. The Pervocracy is a sex+BDSM blog so there's a lot of interesting stuff there ;)
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RHP User
12 years ago
I don't see it as manipulation rather learning a new language and what's wrong with you speaking the same language? The manipulation is in the individual intent not the language, I don't think women are stupid or don't know what's going on. Not that I know the language but I'm getting there.
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