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Recycle, Reuse, Reduce
April 17 2018
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RHP User
8 years ago
It amazes me that we have to ship our recycling to China. That there isn't enough demand for the recycled product here, out of the entire country, to support a comprehensive recycling facility. Also I imagine most councils consider the costs of dealing with recycling from ratepayers as an unwelcome import - it would be much cheaper for them to do one bin run that dumps everything to landfill. You just have to look at many countries in Europe where they have separate bins just for different types of glass (brown, green, clear) to see how far we have to go here. So that means on an individual level we have to do what we can, when we can, to reduce our waste burden. It might be small fry in the grand scheme but it is still non-zero, and one day it will be forced upon us so we might as well start adapting now. - Posted from rhpmobile
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Rlee552
8 years ago
Slightly off point. There is a podcast called The Philosophers Arms. It discusses ethical conundrums, and one was titled free riders. It talked about the little harms. That we think it is only a little harm that I am doing, so it does not have a big impact. But we all do those little harms and it adds up. And I related that to recycling. How often do we think with an item of recycling that it is just easier to put it in general waste ... as it is only the one item and in the grand scheme of things it does not make a difference. Which is the wrong way of looking at it. Listen to it if you get a chance.
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RHP User
8 years ago
The recycling reuse thing has been around as Peachy said for a bloody long time, growing up a little alternatively I was always aware. The biggest problem we have is our governments feeding us bullshit about them doing something ( a huge push for look at us since the global warming hooha came about). We recycle shit loads and then it is mass pollution transporting it and if you were not aware of this you still think great their doing something. Then the mass pollution recycling these products, half of what we recycle ends up in land fill because we don't have enough storage space. I could go on and on but just google the truth about recycling in Australia. Just doing your little bit is all we can do but think more on what packaging and companies you are buying from this makes just as much difference.
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RHP User
8 years ago
City of Swan are from June offering verge collection by booking online at your convenience. No more set times. I don't know if any other shires are doing it? As for recycling my mum is a mad recycler and has reduced her footprint to almost nothing. She even works at a recycling plant and her next plan is to purchase an electric car. Lol LC.
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RHP User
8 years ago
Thanks everyone, great to see replies we can get our teeth into... figuratively. Obsidian, you remind me of something my husband told me, about Germany where manufacturers and have to pay for a "Green Dot" on packaging. The more packaging, the higher the fee. We could learn a lot from Europe. A favourite idea of mine is to make use of the individuals who are part of groups on Facebook dedicated towards saving treasures, making a living out of, and / or simply reducing the rubbish sent to landfill from bulk collections. Make a dedicated force towards making the most of what people thrown out instead of denigrating them as scabs. My heart broke when a now ex friend who'd moved house told me quite proudly how they had thrown out 1,000s of cds and dvds because they didn't need them any more. I also had the misfortune of experiencing their blase attitude for their recycling bin. Just chuck everything in there! As individuals, we try to do small things here but we could do way better. Peachy
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RHP User
8 years ago
I appreciate your point from the perspective that I like to save coins and $5 notes. They do add up over time and we've bought a car and had 2 holidays using my hoarding ways. An old saying, "Take care of the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves" makes sense here? Now if we can just look at not making rubbish and look at saving our world. I will check out the podcast you mentioned later tonight. Peachy
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RHP User
8 years ago
Quoting 'pangolin28' The recycling reuse thing has been around as Peachy said for a bloody long time, growing up a little alternatively I was always aware. The biggest problem we have is our governments feeding us bullshit about them doing something ( a huge push for look at us since the global warming hooha came about). We recycle shit loads and then it is mass pollution transporting it and if you were not aware of this you still think great their doing something. Then the mass pollution recycling these products, half of what we recycle ends up in land fill because we don't have enough storage space. I could go on and on but just google the truth about recycling in Australia. Just doing your little bit is all we can do but think more on what packaging and companies you are buying from this makes just as much difference. We have some slack government policies it can't be denied. By all means, go on, it looks like I struck a similar chord in you. I do agree that taking personal responsibility is the best thing we can do ourselves. I think I'll dig up some ideas to add later. Cheers, Peachy
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RHP User
8 years ago
Quoting 'Lovechild17'I noticed that.... City of Swan are from June offering verge collection by booking online at your convenience. No more set times. I don't know if any other shires are doing it? As for recycling my mum is a mad recycler and has reduced her footprint to almost nothing. She even works at a recycling plant and her next plan is to purchase an electric car. Lol LC. I read a lot of stories in groups and this is one I came across too. I'm not sure how impressed I am with the idea yet. I understand residents have to sign up for certain windows? I love your mother's story, thank you so much for sharing that. Peachy
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Rlee552
8 years ago
Recycle, reuse or reduce?
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RHP User
8 years ago
Quoting 'PeachyPearL' My heart broke when a now ex friend who'd moved house told me quite proudly how they had thrown out 1,000s of cds and dvds because they didn't need them any more. I also had the misfortune of experiencing their blase attitude for their recycling bin. Just chuck everything in there! O. M. G.Words fail me.Still trying to lift my lower jaw up off the floor Peachy.No wonder your heart was broken.
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RHP User
8 years ago
Quoting 'Rlee552'Condoms Recycle, reuse or reduce? According to the onsite seeking preferences... reduction of size or frequency, or use is out of the question! Peachy
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RHP User
8 years ago
You should see the things people throw out. It's no wonder our tips are filling to overflowing. Peachy
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RHP User
8 years ago
for the formatting of my previous post here.I was attempting to delete lines not insert them so not sure what happened there.Please forgive.
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RHP User
8 years ago
Quoting 'PeachyPearL' You should see the things people throw out. It's no wonder our tips are filling to overflowing. Peachy it annoys and saddens me no end when I see items such as old sofas and prams dumped in railway station car parks.What on earth goes through people's minds when they do such things?!?
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EarthQueen
8 years ago
I wouldn’t proudly throw them out but what’s the point in keeping them now? It’s way simpler and easier to use a music app? Much rather this and it’s way better for environment in the long run? I don’t even own a CD player anymore - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
8 years ago
The whole point of the thread is the waste we throw out without a second thought adding to a burden of rubbish we have no place for or way to get rid of. As a techno dino, I would have happily rehomed those discs for the remainder of my lifetime. Copy and paste for some facts, an American site but the most comprehensive info I could find... What are CDs and DVDs Made of? CD/DVD recycling is so easy because of the materials they’re made of. Even though CDs are made of highly valuable recyclable materials like polycarbonate plastic and aluminum, they’re not accepted in Novak single-stream recycling bins. CD recycling saves substantial amounts of energy and prevents significant amounts of both air and water pollution attributed to the manufacturing of these items from raw material. Each year, billions of CDs (and DVDs) are manufactured, while millions are simply thrown away. They end up in landfills and incinerators, which causes unnecessary damage to our environment, wasted energy, and the loss of valuable resources. Landfills are not a viable disposal option because CDs don’t break down readily. Over time, CDs can release Bisphenol A (BPA), which can cause health implications in humans. Burning CDs releases toxic fumes into the air we breathe, and they require a special recycling process that isn’t accepted in single-stream recycling bins. Consider This: To manufacture a pound of plastic (30 CDs per pound), it requires 300 cubic feet of natural gas, 2 cups of crude oil and 24 gallons of water. It is estimated that it will take over 1 million years for a CD to completely decompose in a landfill. More than 5.5 million boxes of software go to landfills and incinerators, plus people throw away millions of music CDs each year! Every month approximately 100,000 pounds of CDs become obsolete (outdated, useless, or unwanted).
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RHP User
8 years ago
I upgraded to a new iPod a few months ago because my old one was full to capacity and dying.In the process of uploading to the new one, all my music was deleted from iTunes and my laptop. Or rather, it had been deleted months earlier...it just looked like it was there.A bit of frantic online researching turned up that it's not uncommon. Years of operating system updates caused unintended things to happen in the background.Fortunately, I have a box in a cupboard with years of collected CD's, thousands of songs, and iTunes keep a record of the 500 odd that I'd purchased from them over the years.At iTune's current download prices, that's thousands of dollars worth of music I nearly lost. Glad I kept them. Saw an interesting Youtube article last night on the energy demands of Bitcoin...in short, that in 2018 its needs will triple again, and mining it will require as much electricity as the entire nation of Argentina. In 2017 it burned as much power to produce as Denmark does....and the biggest producers of it are in places like Iceland, where they take advantage of the geothermal energy and the cold temperatures necessary to keep their super-processors cool enough to operate.
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RHP User
8 years ago
I did the same Kool. Except didn't keep my CES. I was furious. However. I did decide to just listen to what I still had and if a tune came up on the radio, in my head etc I'd search it out. So far haven't received much of my older music which just goes to show how much crap I probably had!! As for waste, check out Sweden who is running out of rubbish as they reduced waste overall. Maybe we should investigate that and reduce ours too. Except Condoms..........nooooooo. - Posted from rhpmobile
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EarthQueen
8 years ago
Peachy I hate waste and am pretty green and I always put my stuff out for free on the curb. Never bin it if I can help it. But there is now some things that people just don’t want. CD’s and DVD’s come to mind. It’s not easy to recycle them and barely anyone wants them now. I’m glad there’s apps like Spotify it creates much less waste in the long term, Except artists do lose out. That’s why I spend lots of money on concerts. Experiences rather than stuff is the way to go for me. I rarely buy anything new anymore. Except for condoms 😛 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
8 years ago
Quoting 'Koolgrey' I upgraded to a new iPod a few months ago because my old one was full to capacity and dying.In the process of uploading to the new one, all my music was deleted from iTunes and my laptop. Or rather, it had been deleted months earlier...it just looked like it was there.A bit of frantic online researching turned up that it's not uncommon. Years of operating system updates caused unintended things to happen in the background.Fortunately, I have a box in a cupboard with years of collected CD's, thousands of songs, and iTunes keep a record of the 500 odd that I'd purchased from them over the years.At iTune's current download prices, that's thousands of dollars worth of music I nearly lost. Glad I kept them. Saw an interesting Youtube article last night on the energy demands of Bitcoin...in short, that in 2018 its needs will triple again, and mining it will require as much electricity as the entire nation of Argentina. In 2017 it burned as much power to produce as Denmark does....and the biggest producers of it are in places like Iceland, where they take advantage of the geothermal energy and the cold temperatures necessary to keep their super-processors cool enough to operate. Thanks for that, I've crashed the computer more than once and lost all our music listings. So I know how you feel about having the CDs available to recopy! I'm still editing since my last loss, lol. It's all backed up on a couple of other devices now though. And will be backed up on the mobile I got for my birthday last year once I get around to moving the micro sd card from the tablet it is currently residing in. You just blew my mind with the Bitcoin info. You also led me to the high cost of streaming to the environment. Wow. Peachy
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RHP User
8 years ago
Quoting 'EarthQueen' Peachy I hate waste and am pretty green and I always put my stuff out for free on the curb. Never bin it if I can help it. But there is now some things that people just don’t want. CD’s and DVD’s come to mind. It’s not easy to recycle them and barely anyone wants them now. I’m glad there’s apps like Spotify it creates much less waste in the long term, Except artists do lose out. That’s why I spend lots of money on concerts. Experiences rather than stuff is the way to go for me. I rarely buy anything new anymore. Except for condoms 😛 To be honest, with a name like EarthQueen, I'd hope you'd have some awareness, I can really only speak for myself and offer hearsay from other people I've spoken to when I say there are homes for CDs and DVDs. Of course, there is still reuse too. I'll be surprised if they don't achieve some collectable status, like records, as time goes on. Whispers, "I still have my cassettes and the boombox from the 1990s that plays cds too". And videos too (sans a video recorder, apparently they're rare as hen's teeth and popular to boot)... I'm a lost cause, I get to disguise my hoarding as kindness to the environment! I did have a look at the cost to the environment of streaming as I mentioned briefly on Kool's post. It can be high in comparison to the cost of making a cd, so that was ironic for me. I love the simple idea of not buying anything new 'cept necessities. I'll get back to you about the want for CDs and DVDs as best as I could ascertain. Peachy
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RHP User
8 years ago
I still have vinyl, cassettes and CD's. Play them all but I do have a wicked stereo and love playing it. I burn compilations to CD to get the quality from my stereo. You can always reuse these things if you wished. CD and vinyl make interesting art sculptures or mobiles. CD's can be used in orchards or gardens for trying to keep birds away. Cassettes well no idea but they burn. Speaking of burn, once upon a time people used to have backyard incinerators and we got rid of waste that way. Which is much less polluting than recycling could ever be. As far as solar incentives go EarthQueen I think again you will find that this was part of being onside with everyone as it was the big global warming boom. I use as little water and power I can but is there a discount or incentive to do so, that would be a big fucking no. I get a water bill for $120 and used $20 in usage the rest is connection and supply fees, no discount for using a bare minimum of water. I feel we have gone far past tipping point and all we can do now is live our lives as best we can until earth rids itself finally of the worst disease it ever had. Mankind.
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RHP User
8 years ago
I did reply to your next post, but it and my reply are gone now, I don't know why... I just wanted to explain. Peachy
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RHP User
8 years ago
I suppose that youtube video I watched just emphasised that many...probably, most...things, have an environmental impact at some level.That an immaterial, online currency, like Bitcoin, chews more electricity to produce in a year than entire first world nation-states. And that electricity often comes from fossil or nuclear fuel resources. Green energy, like hydro, solar or geothermal, is clearly not that efficiently collected yet. If it was being captured in vast, cheap quantities...then nations like Australia, Iceland and Norway would be as wealthy as Saudi Arabia is from the energy they produced.
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RHP User
8 years ago
When people announce a birth or a pregnancy, I say something nice along the lines of congratulations. This in itself is bit weird congratulating someone on getting laid and conceiving, I digress...Inside I am squirming as I know how inappropriate it would be to burst heir bubble and say what I really think, which is "just what the world needs, another mouth and another anus". Another consumer who is could live for decades to come. I'm reminded of a woman who died a few years ago, she was from a matriarchal society and was lucky to survive World War 2. When she died, I think she was a great great grandmother and had over 900 direct descendants, so it's not hard to see how our population growth needs to thought about. Thatprimal urge to pass on our genes could be our downfall.
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RHP User
8 years ago
Quoting 'pangolin28' I still have vinyl, cassettes and CD's. Play them all but I do have a wicked stereo and love playing it. I burn compilations to CD to get the quality from my stereo. You can always reuse these things if you wished. CD and vinyl make interesting art sculptures or mobiles. CD's can be used in orchards or gardens for trying to keep birds away. Cassettes well no idea but they burn. Speaking of burn, once upon a time people used to have backyard incinerators and we got rid of waste that way. Which is much less polluting than recycling could ever be. As far as solar incentives go EarthQueen I think again you will find that this was part of being onside with everyone as it was the big global warming boom. I use as little water and power I can but is there a discount or incentive to do so, that would be a big fucking no. I get a water bill for $120 and used $20 in usage the rest is connection and supply fees, no discount for using a bare minimum of water. I feel we have gone far past tipping point and all we can do now is live our lives as best we can until earth rids itself finally of the worst disease it ever had. Mankind. Sorry for the delayed reply, it was a good Friday, lol. I've barely played pool for years but played good enough to win a few games here at home last night. On a table hubby has owned since he was a teen, making it close to 40 years old. With chalk worn down to a 1-2 mm thick, flat slice, rather than the block with a hole down the middle you'll usually see because people ream out the centre of the block, lol. With either my first or second cue ever, a $40 2 piece, ash that does the job when I'm on the ball. hehe. We still have the broken parts of past cues too, they're great for laying in the tracks of sliding doorways for security. Great work with the water (you do have showers, right? ;-)), our bill nowhere near matches your impressive limitation but we have a bigger household maybe? We never water our gardens... I'm working on mulch... and Roses are far hardier than people suppose. The cost of supply & maintenance was what I was seeing when I was reading about the price of electricity these days. I'm a big supporter of reward systems, encouraging what you want before the problem rather than effectively punishing people by the incremental raise in price which sucks for multiple households where obviously more are going to be using supplies. I disagree with burning though, it does cause a lot of unnecessary harm in many ways when there are other ways to dispose of things that burn, lol. Paper can be used in gardens and worm farms. Wood can be chipped to use on gardens. We did burn the lemon tree trimmings gotta say, they made wonderful firewood on a cold night outside and nigh on smokeless compared to wood we'd purchased for the purpose (which we still have). The tree keeps growing crazy cos we feed it with the stuff from the worm farm, and do give it the bit of water left over from filling the ice cream containers the worm farm legs sit in (ant prevention). Hey, the lemons are worth it, lol. That uses newspaper and food scraps. I'm saving toilet rolls to stuff with scraps too. It's nice system to have that is fascinating for children too. We use coal for bbqing to so we can add the ashes to the garden, other types of bbq fuel are bad for the air, and the soil/sand we have in Perth. The topic really is a big interest of mine though I am no saint in practice (but trying), hope I haven't bored you at all. Peachy
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RHP User
8 years ago
Quoting 'Koolgrey'Enviro friendly I suppose that youtube video I watched just emphasised that many...probably, most...things, have an environmental impact at some level.That an immaterial, online currency, like Bitcoin, chews more electricity to produce in a year than entire first world nation-states. And that electricity often comes from fossil or nuclear fuel resources. Green energy, like hydro, solar or geothermal, is clearly not that efficiently collected yet. If it was being captured in vast, cheap quantities...then nations like Australia, Iceland and Norway would be as wealthy as Saudi Arabia is from the energy they produced. I totally get the sense of what you are saying. Don't mind me while I go and have a little cry... It's curious that outback WA is touted a great place for the world's radioactive rubbish instead. Big kudos to the big stores who claim they are working towards the non supply of single use plastic bags by 30 June. I read a March story the other day about the recent testing of the quality of bottled water brands and how 90% proportion contains plastic now. Scary huh. Peachy
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RHP User
8 years ago
Quoting 'MrMojoRisin' When people announce a birth or a pregnancy, I say something nice along the lines of congratulations. This in itself is bit weird congratulating someone on getting laid and conceiving, I digress...Inside I am squirming as I know how inappropriate it would be to burst heir bubble and say what I really think, which is "just what the world needs, another mouth and another anus". Another consumer who is could live for decades to come. I'm reminded of a woman who died a few years ago, she was from a matriarchal society and was lucky to survive World War 2. When she died, I think she was a great great grandmother and had over 900 direct descendants, so it's not hard to see how our population growth needs to thought about. Thatprimal urge to pass on our genes could be our downfall. Your post ties in with my decision to only replace myself, and himself in the world. But that still adds up to a growing population, I understand that... My current descendants score in the low single digits still, and it's looking like decades until we hit double figures, and that is some matter of pride to me. Thanks for posting, Peachy
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RHP User
8 years ago
A new story today tells me Australia is set to reach the goal of having all packaging recyclable, compostable or reusable by 2025. Fantastic, Peachy
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RHP User
8 years ago
I found a really good ABC article today, it explains the situation with China and our recycling practices in a much clearer manner through the story that is based on rising costs to our rubbish collectors who handle the collection, sorting and resale, yes resale of recyclables. In the interest of the environment, China will only accept recyclables with a 0.5 % contamination level. Australia currently has one of 18%. As a result, the resale value has dropped by 50% and the processing value has risen by a 100% percentage which leaves numbers looking pretty dire. That clears that situation up a lot for me, Peachy
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RHP User
7 years ago
At this instant, IGA is making use of the cardboard boxes stock arrives in that they would normally recycle. They have more though... Hehe, I waylaid a woman on her way out of the store a few weeks ago to ask her if she took the tray off the shelf because I thought it was such a brilliant idea. And she had, wow... Thank you for caring so much. I like the idea of thinking inside the box so to speak, cardboard is so easily reusable/recycleable even after that reuse. Don't mind me, I'm just about to do online shopping and hoping like Hell I can actually choose to refuse bags rather having to accept and pay for reusable bags that I don't want or need. Peachy
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RHP User
7 years ago
I was charged a $1 for bags for an order with 2 roasts and a drink carton. I had no choice not to accept bags. Suck. The bags are valued at 15c each, we'll see if I get a refund after the order is filled considering they now have delivery marked as $0 and can't attribute that to the charge. Peachy, I have my own bags...
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RHP User
7 years ago
Shop number 1 expressed the number of dismayed customers and apologised profusely as they refunded $1 for the one bag we received. Shop number 2 provided 3 bags and the store will be contacted regarding the ridiculous cost pick up customers (whose shopping is not delivered to the car) are expected to pay across the board. I support reducing the plastic that makes it's way to the ocean, not the plastic in our pockets that we call money these days. Peachy
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