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Shark Cull
February 02 2014
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RHP User
12 years ago
Hi silver I'm from the Sw of Wa where most the attacks have happened and most people I speak to support it - they just don't create a website or get overseas celebrities to garner support. Qld has had similar program that's been running for 50 years which doesn't crack a mention. There is an underbelly of anti Barnett politics with this one from the greens etc . There is a meeting planned in Margaret River to bring all sides together which is a good thing as the polarised debate will find some middle ground and hopefully help reduce the attacks somehow- and yes many buinesses in the Sw like diving schools and surf schools etc are doing it tough. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
If a shark attacks me in my house or while I'm out food shopping then ill get upset, until then leave sharks alone FFS!!! On one hand the australian govt is screwing us by introducing marine parks and sanctuary zones based on political BS rather than scientific facts for the genuine conservation of our aquatic life, then on the other they are destroying everything they seek to protect.
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RHP User
12 years ago
All I've seen on the local news is that the first shark was caught, and killed, recently after being on the line for who knows how long, considering the line was left unattended overnight..And the news during the week that 2 sharks under 3 mt had been caught, and released because they were under size. This was on hooks that were promoted as suitable only for sharks over 3 mt. .No longe, innocent before being proven guilty. Entrapment and keeping the accused contained is now legal. Equal force does not apply. Now if we could just apply this formula to those people who, deliberately, trespass against us.. Look at what human's clumsy attempts to control nature has done in the past. (imagining we've all seen the horror stories of introduced & extinct species)..From my position of a number of one, I voted against culling.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Fucken love big great whites have been priviledged and surfed with four great whites in western australia over the last 20 yrs and if i was going to die tomorrow i would seriously like to be eaten alive while surfing one of my true loves and passions in my life surfing its no sport it is a lifestyle. . And as i said i love great whites they are awsome and scare the fuck out a me so ??? Kill the fucken lot of them !!! Hahahahahahahaha - Posted from rhpmobile
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madotara69
12 years ago
A few dopes, taking the cheapest and quick fix approach, who should not have the authority to do such things. All they are doing is pissing off the most advanced predator along side the crocks, survived all time known from the start. We are impacting to the sharks aggressive behaviours by depleting their food source and they are in select areas. Big business wants the easy profits from swooping the big loads of fish for some chips company. Fools doing more harm than good, to weak minded and stood over. We vote them in and it goes to their heads, backwards from then and it repeats itself over and over. These people don't have the right temperament to be the carers of these lands and they are making terrible mistakes without care. Go around the feeding grounds of somethings who are more entitled to them than us. There is plenty more fish in the sea. Mado Mado Tara xx
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MandN
12 years ago
These protests make me wish the shark problem was happening on the EAST COAST... Personally I don't agree with the culling as they are doing it now, but I can't stand do gooders in the far off places who aren'tdirectly affected by this in a personal way - should really not be entitled to have a say in this kind of issue. So if you wanna continue to tell us how to live, feel free to come on over, I'll take you swimming at one of our local beaches, and then you can tell me how you feel.
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RHP User
12 years ago
The protests are in part to show state governments elsewhere that the cull idea is very unpopular. If people only cared about there own backyard it would be a sad world indeed
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RHP User
12 years ago
I've been Surfing for 32 years and a shark hasn't got me yet . I think if I die from a shark attack , that's my Fate . More people die from falling coconuts than from sharks . Taking out the top of the food chain can have devastating effects on fragile ecosystems . Considering the amount of people who swim in the ocean , shark attacks are virtually non-exsistant. If we want to go walking in the African savannah , should we kill all the Lions , to make it a safer Environment for ourselves ? A knee-jerk reaction by Politicians , without any scientific research , is unacceptable . GG♒️ - Posted from rhpmobile
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wingman2014
12 years ago
If you went to Africa on a safari , you would nt get out of the bus and walk around near a pride of lions ...that is their natural habitat , you would be invading their home territory. No different with sharks. If you swim in their natural habitat , then their is statistically a minute chance you could be bitten. Then again there is more chance you would get hit by lightening.... Life is a game of chance . We shouldn't kill EVERTHING that we are afraid of . - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
We just came back from WA from a holiday... I used to live there / surf there and now visit there at least yearly, spending plenty of time at the beach. The number of shark sightings appears to have dramatically increased. I say 'appears' because they are now tweeted by SLSWA - both actual sightings, as well as tagged shark receiver 'sightings'. This makes people much more aware of them, and makes it nice and easy for news services to report on them as they don't need to leave their desk to type up a headline. While they have also had an increase in shark-human contact, which usually ends in the sharks favour when a giant baited hook isn't involved, the solution to an animals instinctive behaviour is never to indiscriminantly kill it to make us feel safer. .Research is what is required. Are numbers increasing? Why? The ridiculous thing is that the sharks which survive being speared through the head by a hook and are too small to cull aren't even being tagged when released to allow more research. There are plenty of better ways to tackle this alleged shark 'problem'. And this is the most archaic, medieval and disgusting way of doing it.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Sharks are a crucial role in the marine bio diversity - Yes they are a predator, not a tropical fish to look at, by being a predator, sharks maintain balance of the marine life. The study done on monitoring of sharks is a waste of time and money, i propose a study on the monitoring and behaviour of the people who get eaten by sharks.... (so if people choose to be part of the marine bio diversity they are aware of the balance animals create)
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'easigoing' Hi silver I'm from the Sw of Wa where most the attacks have happened and most people I speak to support it - they just don't create a website or get overseas celebrities to garner support. Qld has had similar program that's been running for 50 years which doesn't crack a mention. There is an underbelly of anti Barnett politics with this one from the greens etc . There is a meeting planned in Margaret River to bring all sides together which is a good thing as the polarised debate will find some middle ground and hopefully help reduce the attacks somehow- and yes many buinesses in the Sw like diving schools and surf schools etc are doing it tough. - Posted from rhpmobile The shark nets and bait lines are continually protested about in Queensland. The 'news' doesn't report on it often as it's considered old news. The WA cull is about Great White sharks, an endangered species that we have signed off on to protect. In Queensland, the sharks they are 'protecting' us from are Tiger sharks and, the most dangerous of them all, Bull sharks that are believed to be responsible for more than half of deadly attacks worldwide. What the WA government doing is wrong and small minded.
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RHP User
12 years ago
There will never be a solution for everything in this world as long as it does not get out of hand and we start netting the entire coast then eradicating a few big rogues that like eating our children is not going to effect the shark population i worked on a shark netting boat that still operates with 3.5 km nets there is many shark netting boats another from my area runs 7 km nets and has done for years and will continue to do so for years so winging about a few hooks in the water is time wasting. If humans can eliminate a rogue shark that may be returning for a feed on our fellow human this is a good thing humans are at the top of the food chain not sharks , and as for entering there water ?? This is true we humans do anything at our own risk as many humans have made the ocean there life and livelyhood also and if it comes down to my family friends or childrens lives or the sharks ?? Goodbye sharks sad but true . - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
I have been surfing since I was 9 and I have personally known two people who have been taken by sharks here in W.A , one of those was a very good mate that I had travelled and surfed with for a long time. Over the years I personally feel that shark numbers have increased significantly and sightings are a lot more common now than I ever recall them ever being.To be honest there are now times when I just won’t go in the water, whether that is because of the time of day, overcast conditions or the fact that I would be the only person in the water.Gone are the days for me of rolling up to an empty beach or car park and being thrilled to be the only person there, I am now far happier to surf in a small crowd than by myself.Are drum lines the answer: No I don’t like drum lines I don’t like the idea that they (shark) might drown overnight on the end of a hook.Do I feel there are too many Large Apex Predators: Yes I most certainly do and I think I would rather see in the south westfisherman just fishing for them and cull the numbers down.In the metro area: well I think there needs to be a better answer to make the beaches safe.What the right answer is I just don’t know but something needs to be done in my personal opinion.Have I been in the water and seen .. YOU FUCKEN BET I HAVE .. I consider myself someone who loves the ocean and loves animals and creatures all alike , but don’t kid yourself about the story’s you hear that Great Whites are endangered because I don’t think they are they are everywhere over here. Tiger sharks there is shit loads and Bull Shark / Bronze whalers are in very healthy numbers.I have tried to stay out of the debate because I agree and disagree and people have such strong opinions on this topic.If a small grommet was to be taken or a teenager or young child swimming of Cott beach I reckon you might find a few more people be ok with the Drum Lines and let’s hope that never happens.When Pro surfers feel safer surfing in South Africa than here in the South West ….well then I think it’s safe to say THEY ARE THERE AND IN NUMBERS.West Aus Surfer
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'm glad to see that most in this thread recognise the stupidity of what the WA government is doing. The incredible arrogance of the human species is mind-boggling....that we believe we have the right to destroy other animals in their own habitat, because a few of us want to swim or surf in that habitat without taking responsibility for even the very small chance that we will fall victim to sharks doing what they naturally do (I realise that a lot of people who use the oceans do accept that responsibility and are prepared to take that risk, and I applaud those people). Plus, as some have already mentioned, sharks - particularly Great Whites and other large species - are apex predators and they play key roles in the health of marine ecosystems. There is absolutely no scientific basis to what is being done in WA - or in Qld. And to MandN - I think you will find that the majority of issues about which people speak out do not actually affect them 'personally', in a direct manner as you are considering it. You can take that view with private goods, but when you are dealing with the natural environment and wildlife, in economic terms you are dealing with 'collective goods'*, which have collective benefits that are often not tangible or measureable in the usual ways. People can derive many different types of benefits from collective goods - some can even derive a benefit of satisfaction simply from knowing that these environments and wildlife exist, even if they will never see or experience them. Hence, if these things are under threat, people can experience personal feelings of sadness and loss, and become motivated to take action to save them. I know that when it comes to some of the things happening here in Qld, in regards to the Great Barrier Reef, I am very grateful that people all over Australia - and the world - are also very concerned and are strongly voicing those concerns through social and mainstream media, petitions, and legal action. The Great Barrier Reef may be located off the Qld coast but it is a collective good - particularly in this case when part of it is a World Heritage area. Hence the international interest in preserving it not just for the current generation, but for future ones as well (presence for future generations being another collective benefit). * my explanation of collective goods is brief and crappy, and based on what I can remember from my study of environmental economics 15 years ago, googling will produce a wealth of info which explains it more clearly and in more detail
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RHP User
12 years ago
I have surfed the WA coast most of my life. I have seen sharks many times while surfing but they do not stop me entering the water. The most dangerous thing about surfing is the drive there and back. Culling the sharks is but a token action. There are millions of large sharks in the Indian ocean, the only way to reduce their numbers is via commercial exploitation. I for one would have no problem with them being wiped out.
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RHP User
12 years ago
On the weekend just gone I was out on our boat over at Rottnest Island, early on the Saturday morning we took the tender out to pull our cray pots. This was around 7am and 3 km of the North West island and we had a 4mtr great white circle the boat.On the Sunday evening we were heading back to Fremantle and stopped off the coast maybe 300mtrs to catch some squid for dinner during the week and noticed a large shark swimming just of South Fremantle.They are such beautiful creatures but they are in abundance from what we have seen, we have been boat owners for at least 18 years now and we see large sharks not nearly every weekend but every weekend.I don’t like the drum lines but there are certainly plenty of big sharks of the Metro coast.Rottnest Channel Swim / not for us
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RHP User
12 years ago
OK have read all the posts in this thread and it seams that many think that taking out the sharks will devastate the eco system. Where is the evidence?. Come on someone. I have never seen any proof for that assumption, i want to just see one proof, please. Eco systems are energy systems they are sustained by the energy from the sun, collected by plants and algae. The eco system is not reliant on top predators and will thrive just as well without them. Some one point to a collapsed eco system when the predators have been removed and then maybe I will hug a shark. You are all brain washed.
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RHP User
12 years ago
This is not a new argument and certainly not an unprecedented stance by lawmakers, bears in Canada have been culled and hunted for decades now to prevent them encroaching on crops and towns at certain times of the year and endangering human lives. Large crocs that attack people are hunted and killed. Same for African predators that cross paths with the almighty Humans. Ultimately it comes down to valuing our own lives over the animal's. We call this public safety and unless we concede that the ocean is not ours, this will be necessary. Generations of humans have thrived on and in the ocean, it is as much as part of us as humans as is the land and I don't think it's fair to ask people to give that up. So we have a face off, who's going to kill who first? I can tell you, as much as I love sharks and am horrified by the idea of any species becoming extinct, I know in the heat of the moment if a loved one of mine was up against the last Great White Shark momma in the world, I would do everything in my power to stop the shark, including killing it. Wouldn't you? I hate the drum line idea, but I can't with clear conscience argue against killing sharks to preserve public safety when I know that I'd make the same choice if I was forced to face that situation. It sucks that it has to come to this. But it has. I really think we need to pipe down about it and pipe the hell up about the Great Barrier Reef dredging instead. That scares me MUCH MUCH more. - Ex-Cairns, now Perth-girl.
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wingman2014
12 years ago
We have the same problem in Sydney . It's wonderful that the harbour and tributaries are cleaned up now BUT because there is little pollution now , the small bait fish are thriving , as a result this attracts larger fish and apex predators like sharks . Carch22 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Google Apex Predators and you can read volumes about their removal and the negative effects on the rest of their ecosystem . GG♒️ - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Sharks eat whales, especially the young calves that frequent our coastline ..i say kill the whales then! hmmm ..didn't think so Mr S
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RHP User
12 years ago
It's heart-breaking evil and wrong. Evil populist politics at its worst. Great Whites are about the most magnificent apex predator in existence ... and very recent research has just shown they can live for 70 years. I'm not talking about this much with people because I'm so genuinely, profoundly distressed by it.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I think we should cull the politicians.
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luvsilver
12 years ago
that is a bit of a token gesture by the forces in power. Having a few baited hooks will not act like a force field protecting everyone in a 2 km radius. Nor will it put much of a dent in the shark population.It is a hard one ,I think that I am on the side of leaving them be.And as Craving Touch said The crime about to happen on the Reef is truly more terrifying. And Big Ocean and Wowwow. I am a crap surfer-have tried a few times but to be in the water with a shark would both scare the shit out of me and also be such a rush. Mr Luvsilver.
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RHP User
12 years ago
The way I would protect my family is to educate them. If they decide a parachute is protection against gravity, good on them. If it doesn't work, I'm not going to try to shut down the industry. Until recent times, when leisure has become a right not a privilege, sharks were only killed for their meat. When I say recent, I'm talking since the Industrial age started. The sanctity of human life is a crock of shit. And talking of cocs, They are only killed if they cannot be captured in a reasonable way. They still try to relocate them or place them in a farm if possible. I use to work croc country. We had a 12 footer behind the homestead and we regularly lost cattle and at least one horse in the two years I worked there. NO ONE suggested getting rid of the croc. If you choose to walk through long grass in spring in rural Australia and you get bitten by a snake YOU stepped on, is it the snakes fault or yours that you get bitten and die?
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RHP User
12 years ago
I know the solution lets catch the big sharks and take there teeth out !! Great white sucks off another human on our beaches !hahaha fantastic!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
As an ex professional fisherman of the wa coast and a surfer I agree with the culling. Previously there was shark licenses to capture sharks to be sold which most people eat when they get fish n chips without realizing. Now with recreational fishing on the increase and no longer fishing sharks the tables turn that now we have more sharks and less food for them..... Cue humans! Re I state shark licenses that used to exist remove the media crap and as we were 10 years ago no one cared and we all enjoyed cheap fish and chips with less deaths. Yes it's there territory but we take there food and not them the balance is out of whack? What's next complain about treatment of crayfish because they sit in a pot trapped for days yet most people enjoy them? Guess not new and no media attention? My thoughts based on a professional career fishing and facts available by the fisheries department for any tree hugged that would like to be educated.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Are you saying if a croc was coming for your firstborn you wouldn't attack it with lethal force? I agree with what you're saying, that education and awareness of our environment are the ideal solutions here. And catch and release elsewhere is a much better option than killing any animal. But I still maintain that if you were faced with an apex predator you would fight to survive and kill it for your own life. And it's this reality that makes us hypocrites in the argument against the culling of animals that put human lives at risk. Messed up situation, I wish no humans or sharks to be harmed, but reality isn't pretty.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Funlover71' The way I would protect my family is to educate them. If they decide a parachute is protection against gravity, good on them. If it doesn't work, I'm not going to try to shut down the industry. Until recent times, when leisure has become a right not a privilege, sharks were only killed for their meat. When I say recent, I'm talking since the Industrial age started. The sanctity of human life is a crock of shit. And talking of cocs, They are only killed if they cannot be captured in a reasonable way. They still try to relocate them or place them in a farm if possible. I use to work croc country. We had a 12 footer behind the homestead and we regularly lost cattle and at least one horse in the two years I worked there. NO ONE suggested getting rid of the croc. If you choose to walk through long grass in spring in rural Australia and you get bitten by a snake YOU stepped on, is it the snakes fault or yours that you get bitten and die? I think I love you...
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madotara69
12 years ago
on the beaches, and surfing was the lifestyle to it. Knew many that surfed obviously. Never heard any surfer wish sharks be killed. Think surfers have a better relationship with the sharks. Blue bottles are the pricks of things. Mado Mado Tara xx
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madotara69
12 years ago
Quoting 'obrien75' As an ex professional fisherman of the wa coast and a surfer I agree with the culling. Previously there was shark licenses to capture sharks to be sold which most people eat when they get fish n chips without realizing. Now with recreational fishing on the increase and no longer fishing sharks the tables turn that now we have more sharks and less food for them..... Cue humans! Re I state shark licenses that used to exist remove the media crap and as we were 10 years ago no one cared and we all enjoyed cheap fish and chips with less deaths. Yes it's there territory but we take there food and not them the balance is out of whack? What's next complain about treatment of crayfish because they sit in a pot trapped for days yet most people enjoy them? Guess not new and no media attention? My thoughts based on a professional career fishing and facts available by the fisheries department for any tree hugged that would like to be educated. As pointed out, reef sharks you are talking of, hardly the man eaters. Anything for the cheap fish and chips. Typical answer from the big business. And you can't see the link? where do you think the captain took his big boat for all those fish. If I came and raided your pantry, you would be pissed off at me, more so when you were hungry.
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RHP User
12 years ago
and those that don't all very nice if your sitting In your lounge and the beach you go to has ten thousand other people to feed off and life guards and all the equipment money can buy. over east they have been culling it for years and shark netsIn Queensland they have been doing it for years, baiting and killing sharks. My husband dives, and he has noticed a huge increase in numbers over the years. we have abalone divers and surfers here and if you look at the WA coast we are the McDonald's shore line for Sharks especially the great whites. I go out sometimes and when I am in the water, I do start to look around a lot more than I used too. Two guys got take just few K up the beach, and the bloody shark did a swim past while they were floating the wreaths out to sea I was in the boat and my friends were in the water a few months ago, and my husband said, everyone out of the water and I Looked up and saw the fin cresting the water. One friend was disabled and he had a problem getting in the boat and cut his knee and blood went into the water Two others were still in the water, the guy on tank just stayed down there the other we hauled up at a great rate of knots So if your a person that dives and is always in the ocean then sure, I guess you would like to see a little less of sharks as we don't want to be dinner. If your a city slicker who hardly goes in the ocean then your full of hot air and not at risk. Its easy to be a conservationist if you have nothing to loose. Think of India and Tigers, think of the NT and crocs, think of Elephants and Hipo etc. Unless you live with predators you have no idea how frightening it can be. this does not mean go kill them all, it just means keeping them away from the shore line. I have been in the water and seen a big wave with people in the water and three sharks in that wave just below peoples legs. I go to the beach sometimes three times a day, and I swim out and just hope for the best But the risks over the years are very much increased along with the shark numbers.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'obrien75' As an ex professional fisherman of the wa coast and a surfer I agree with the culling. Previously there was shark licenses to capture sharks to be sold which most people eat when they get fish n chips without realizing. Now with recreational fishing on the increase and no longer fishing sharks the tables turn that now we have more sharks and less food for them..... Cue humans! Re I state shark licenses that used to exist remove the media crap and as we were 10 years ago no one cared and we all enjoyed cheap fish and chips with less deaths. Yes it's there territory but we take there food and not them the balance is out of whack? What's next complain about treatment of crayfish because they sit in a pot trapped for days yet most people enjoy them? Guess not new and no media attention? My thoughts based on a professional career fishing and facts available by the fisheries department for any tree hugged that would like to be educated. I don't mind diversity of opinion but I like it when people who actually work use the ocean give some facts, rather than emotionI agree people will shove crayfish and prawns in their mouth with impunity without worry of over fishing, along with eating imported fish from places that have depleted every living thing in their own oceans.including shark and only take the fin have a look at what you consume people, where it comes from and the cost to the enviromentanyone that has never eaten fish from Vietnam? or food from china? the great global rape of the world and we are shoving it on our mouth or wearing it on our back or driving it with cheap imported cars that's the big picture stuff, culling of animals only happens if their is proof their numbers are way up If shark levels were low this would not be considered but when your in the ocean , you can actually see the numbers, you see sharks at closer range now and more of them.I am talking LOTS more of them now. so maybe you guys could stop eating the fish that they eat? if your worried about an animal then do not compete with it for food, nor make it your food. as for me, I am not eat all my food from out of our boat, or of the farm and yes I fucking kill food to eat it, my meat does not come wrapped in plastic or out of the fish shop. I pay the extra for free range eggs if our hens are not producing. How many of you conservationists put your money where you mouth is, with every choice you make from clothes to food to petrol we are all conspicuous consumers. I am for the culling of sharks. I just happen to like my bits not down a sharks neck and the possibility for me and my husband is a reality. some of you may be at risk but not sure if you would be taken sipping your double late, in Collins street.
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RHP User
12 years ago
As a lounge lizard, I thought twice about posting on this thread from the point of view of someone who chooses not to put herself at riisk. . I'm a city slicker who used to love swimming in the ocean. Over the years since I was a young and thoughtless child, when the chance has presented itself, I have chosen not to put myself at risk by swimming in the ocean. I don't want sharks killed so I can, have a swim. . In his n my experience of going no deeper than my neck, we have found jellyfish to be enough of a problem to not consider the problem of sharks. . We were holidaying down south a couple of years ago and went down on the beach after a storm, the sight of hundreds of blue jellyfish on the beach was enough to be convincing, haven't been in the water since.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'd like to think I'd try to save anybody in that situation but that is a one on one survival instinct that kicks in. What I cannot condone is preemptively striking against a very, very, very unlikely threat. Let me tell you a short story about a young Funlover. When I was about 7, my dad was driving me home from a riding lesson about 30 minutes outside Townsville, very rural area. For no reason that I could see, he jumped on the brakes, reversed at spee and hits the brakes hard again. "What was that about?, I asked, 'Taipan', he answered. Perplexed by this answer I pushed a bit harder. My father explained, ' When I worked in the bush, snakes were the most dangerous things around so we killed them before they could kill us. The only good snake is a dead one.'. 'But it wasn't hurting anybody, dad. You should have left it alone.' I said. Then he gave me the look saying the topic wasn't up for discussion. I was so mad with him but there was no arguing with my old man. I went on to spend ten years in the bush and never killed a snake in that whole time. I have captured them around the homestead and released them later on. I got a lot of grief from people out there but I was going to stand by and let them kill an animal get killed for no reason. I'm no tree hugging hippy but I loathe the idea of thousands of sharks being killed so that the 20 people that are killed every year may be reduced to 15.
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RHP User
12 years ago
There is no such thing as "rogue sharks" or "man-eaters". There is no such thing as sharks that "get a taste for people" and start deliberately hunting for them and making repeat attacks. All attacks are mistakes. RE Great Whites, from approximately 3.4 metres in length onwards, seals are their primary dietary item and source of energy. (Being large, active and semi warm-blooded, their energy intake needs are quite high). They hit humans thinking they're seals. Often, they then spit them out, because humans are thin and bony, not plump and fat like seals, and the Great Whites realise they've grabbed something else by mistake. Given how long female great whites take to reach female sexual maturity (at least 12 years, from memory), their low litter sizes (i.e. how shark "pups" they have), and the persecution they receive around the world including Australia (they are highly migratory) it is also false and indeed ridiculous to suggest great white numbers have surged. They have not. They have been slowly declining for decades and still are. The only thing that has changed in the last 20 years is that population numbers in south-west WA has exploded, and so, therefore, has the number of people swimming off the beaches. So yes, statistically there has been a small rise in shark attack numbers because there are far more people putting themselves into the water to be attacked. It is just very sad and quite wicked of the human race to be culling a threatened and utterly magnificent apex predator just so humans can indulge in frivolous play in the water. Humans can choose to swim in swimming pools, rivers, estuaries, etc. Great Whites can't choose to not live in the sea. It is even more wicked when the chances of shark attack are a million to one, more people die of bee-stings, lightning strikes and other ridiculous things ever year than shark attack, and that slaughtering these magnificent creatures will only reduce the risk from 0.000001% to 0.0000001% ... but will severely damage the species and push it closer to extinction. People need to accept the [incredibly low, but real] risks that come with playing in the ocean, and not demand that such an inspiration predator be slaughtered to make their frivolous play 0.0000001%. (To their credit, this is the attitude of many keen surfers, swimmers and divers who truly love the ocean.) But politicians need to reinforce this message, rather than engaging in populist, lowest-common-denominator politics and evil, stupid, ugly, pointless culls.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'MisterGreen' Google Apex Predators and you can read volumes about their removal and the negative effects on the rest of their ecosystem . GG♒️ - Posted from rhpmobile My problem is the definition off the term negative effects. It is entirely subjective and on the most part arbitrary. I have extensively studied the ongoing dynamics and evolution of eco systems. Specifically in regards to a total and unrecoverable collapse of the system. Any change in one element of any system will have an effect on the rest of the system, but as yet I have not ever found any system that entered a process of collapse and total destruction. Aesthetic human valuation is not a measure of a systems viability. Commercial and industrial returns from an eco system is not a measure of its health. Nor is diversity an indicator collapse. The farmer removes the cats, thus the population of mice increases, which then eat the wheat and the overall result from the farmers point of view is negative, but only for the farmer, he eco system remain totals healthy and viable.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Numbers game If that last five saved were five members if your family? Would you feel differently. Snakes well they try to avoid you. But things that eat you that's a whole different take. And miss peachy Darlin my hubby has gills and he says fuck the shark I am the top of the food chain. He has had a few have a go at him. He is in the water nearly every day all year round . And his work is also on the ocean in it and on iit. We had a fishing vessel as well and shark was popular but the bigger the shark the more mercury in the flesh I love the ocean I bob around in it every day. Yes I am selfish but it would be such a shame if we all went down to the beach on a hot day and not go in. I learnt to swim in the ocean and can't see me changing Lady t shark bait . I was once jail bait. My things have changed. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
I can accept all the local water-people who have anecdotal evidence there are more sharks in the water... I don't spend enough time in the water there to be proper bait. What the pro-hookers (trying to stay with the rhp theme here) can't explain to me is how the program will change this. Temperatures change, currents change, food sources change... so it's fair to expect shark numbers and their locations change too. .The problem I have with this whole exercise is that no-one can say that a hook with meat hanging off it is any more effective than putting up 'Stop' signs (obviously these would need to be written in Shark). What they CAN conclusively say is that meat on hooks definitely attracts sharks. So are you drawing the sharks 0-1km offshore away from the beach? Or are you drawing the sharks 1-20km off-shore towards the beach? .Google 'shark tracker' and you'll get a handful of sites which let you track a tagged sharks movements in various parts of the world. Apparently, soon, this will also exist in WA. They cover a lot of ground. You are kidding yourself if you believe killing local sharks will make an area 'safer'. They aren't local. If you take a fundamental predator out of the ecosystem.... it's gone and no longer feeding, so that would mean small fish numbers increase? If I am following this properly, they're food for sharks, yes? So do you think a new shark won't come and take its place. That is unless we put up those signs.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Meeting sexy people, swinging and Adult Fun...... is what this site is about not saving sharks! Post all this stuff on Facebook and concentrate on with what this site is about.
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RHP User
12 years ago
WTF...!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Exterminate ! Exterminate !
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RHP User
12 years ago
I spent 20 years at sea in the merchant navy and now live in esperance and I take great delight in telling every local to piss off and leave them be they are only doing what is natural and as findingmemo said if one attacks me at home or while shopping then I might get upset but until then anyone killing one should be treated as any other murderer anyone else who lives here and wants to go and give the local fisherman a mouthful of abuse and what ever else we can find please message me Cheers Neil
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RHP User
12 years ago
I think it's pure hypocrisy. On one hand the whole country and government is against whale hunters and on the other, prepared to cull another endangered species because that one doesn't suit us. You're in there with them, take the risks or don't. Nobody is forcing you to go in there, especially at the high risk times that most lives are lost. I'm a diver and think they're magnificent, love watching them but I know the risks when I'm doing it. I also choose to do it at the times when the risk is lowered. If the government wants to protect its people, net a few of the lower impact beaches and advise the public where the safest areas are. It's not just this policy that annoys me, but many of the retarded government stances. Seriously don't know why we pay governments so much money to ignore so many of the people. If they're going to do something that is either highly controversial or impacts large swathes of the population, put it to the vote. Then we'll see where the support truly lies and the losing side has little argument.
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RHP User
12 years ago
agree with everything you have to say wowwow. I have a kid who surfs and loves life. He recently had a shark go under his board, which was a bit of a sickening scare. I've been going to Scarborough for years and never seen it like this. We should be more like QLD and just shut up about it. If they kept putting pics up of cows being slaughtered, Maccas would go broke pretty quickly. I don't believe in just dumping their carcasses though, and feel they should be put to better use. I think it's the biggest social media campaign in ages, and Channel 9 etc are loving it! There's more people overfishing for lobster and dhufish off our coast. Saying we are in their domain is crap - that's the voice of non swimmers who have no problem killing rats, spider and flies, eat fish and chips, and play COD all day. We had no problem taking Australian land off it's original owners, but none of these pseudo green warriers have an issue with that.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'dv8sluts' Meeting sexy people, swinging and Adult Fun...... is what this site is about not saving sharks! Post all this stuff on Facebook and concentrate on with what this site is about. BITE ME!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'dv8sluts' Meeting sexy people, swinging and Adult Fun...... is what this site is about not saving sharks! Post all this stuff on Facebook and concentrate on with what this site is about. This is an adult dating site. Voicing my opinion on an open forum shows potential partners that I have a brain and the confidence to express it. If you don't like a topic, click on another post. Back on topicQuoting 'freogirl66' agree with everything you have to say wowwow. I have a kid who surfs and loves life. He recently had a shark go under his board, which was a bit of a sickening scare. I've been going to Scarborough for years and never seen it like this. We should be more like QLD and just shut up about it. If they kept putting pics up of cows being slaughtered, Maccas would go broke pretty quickly. I don't believe in just dumping their carcasses though, and feel they should be put to better use. I think it's the biggest social media campaign in ages, and Channel 9 etc are loving it! There's more people overfishing for lobster and dhufish off our coast. Saying we are in their domain is crap - that's the voice of non swimmers who have no problem killing rats, spider and flies, eat fish and chips, and play COD all day. We had no problem taking Australian land off it's original owners, but none of these pseudo green warriers have an issue with that. Couple of things, shark culling off the Gold Coast is a regular issue brought up in Queensland. Just because the rubbish shows that pass for news in Australia don't report it doesn't mean it's not happening. I am a swimmer, though not often here in Melbourne way to cold, and a scuba diver. If a rat or flies are in my house, I kill them. Rats are not native and flies will never be endangered. I usually leave spiders to do their thing as the are a natural pesticide. If someone comes into my house and is scared of them, I catch them and let them go outside. And I use to kill cattle to feed the station I worked on and it never impacted on my love of beef. And the fish and chips I eat aren't Great Whites, they are most commonly reef sharks. I'm not a green warrior, I just don't believe in killing an animal that has very little chance of killing a human. One more thing, there are 7 billion people on this planet about 4 billion more than is sustainable. If the sharks knock off 7 people per year (that's how many reported attacks resulted in death there were in 2012) it's going to take a long time for them to make a dent in our overpopulation.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Killing animals because they are inconvenient to our leisure IS WRONG!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
another will take it's place ..it's that simple Mr S
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RHP User
12 years ago
SO wrong! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
or lion because you can see them. So the sharks belong in the ocean...its just sad we are sometimes in there food chain and we cant spot them.Still its there domain not ours, we don't have the right to kill them. .
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'ScratchyandItchy' Quoting 'dv8sluts' Meeting sexy people, swinging and Adult Fun...... is what this site is about not saving sharks! Post all this stuff on Facebook and concentrate on with what this site is about. BITE ME! Spot on ScratchyandItchy, spot on.....
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Funlover71' Killing animals because they are inconvenient to our leisure IS WRONG!! Until it's a HUMAN you love
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luvsilver
12 years ago
Quoting 'dv8sluts' Meeting sexy people, swinging and Adult Fun...... is what this site is about not saving sharks! Post all this stuff on Facebook and concentrate on with what this site is about. Part of what this site is about is to find out who we might connect with for swinging and adult fun. It is also a very good tool for weeding out people we would probably not connect with. Mr Luvsilver
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RHP User
12 years ago
I did not know exactly where I stood on this and still don't. Colin Barnett is an arrogant prick and isn't ever going to listen to anyone on any matter at any time... His way or the highway. I have heard good arguments for both sides. This is exactly the sort of debate that should be being had. Wonder if Colin is on RHP and following the thread. My thoughts: I think that it is like so many things now, the news cycle has us over informed and this is the cause some opinions. Our population has increased and more people are accessing areas that 20 years ago where only accessible by a few die hard enthusiasts. Every second person has a 4WD now. I've lived in Esperance, spent time in Margret River for 30 years, and up the coast to Kalbarri. years ago you just couldn't get to some places that today sealed road take you straight to. Places like Wedge now being ruined by people having easy access. More people in the water - more people at risk - more attacks. The expansion of road and the vehicles we have now take us to places that only a few went to before WA's population has exploded. If you go fishing now you don't catch what we used to, so I would suggest that food sources are reduced. Maybe more are coming closer. I'm not a surfer or go to the beach as often as I used to, so I'm not at risk. However there are those who are
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RHP User
12 years ago
Perfect idea Meeka far too many people sitting in offices trying to come up with something to quantify there extravagant wages
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madotara69
12 years ago
Quoting 'freogirl66' agree with everything you have to say wowwow. I have a kid who surfs and loves life. He recently had a shark go under his board, which was a bit of a sickening scare. I've been going to Scarborough for years and never seen it like this. We should be more like QLD and just shut up about it. If they kept putting pics up of cows being slaughtered, Maccas would go broke pretty quickly. I don't believe in just dumping their carcasses though, and feel they should be put to better use. I think it's the biggest social media campaign in ages, and Channel 9 etc are loving it! There's more people overfishing for lobster and dhufish off our coast. Saying we are in their domain is crap - that's the voice of non swimmers who have no problem killing rats, spider and flies, eat fish and chips, and play COD all day. We had no problem taking Australian land off it's original owners, but none of these pseudo green warriers have an issue with that. For the settlers to swim in the ocean, up until around the 1930's So the sharks don't know people that well, they don't like eating people, we taste like shit to them, curiosity and torment is why they bite. Killing a few is just pissing them off more. The aboriginal were only carers of the land, never owned it, no one ever will. Some just think they do. But yes, the settlers are confetti to an elephants bum, to the time the original carers were. Sad thing is, day by day thousands of years work is being torn up and flushed down the dunny. If anyone wants the sharks killed, swim out into the water and kill one yourself, otherwise take a little time to learn of the sharks habits, swim when they will bring no harm. Lately, it has been a matter of survival, driving home against all these Mothers in Flash 4x4's, don't know where they are on the road, run me off it all the time, they don't even look back. The Great White 4x4, never seen dirt, fuck look out if they do. Take my chances swimming with the sharks any day, did for twenty years anyway. You guys on the west coast, I'd advise not to go swimming after eating a kilo or two of the caviar. That'll get the sharks interests up, lick their lips and give you a great big smile, they would indeed. And stop walking into the water smelling like a bucket of KFC, ever used it for bait? Shit hot. Oils, coconut and Reef Oil, that sort of makes one a burly bag. Swim with your dog, that'll raise the chances. Shit most of you would bloody starve, if you had to go out and hunt for your tucker.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Agree with everything you have said and couldn't have put it better myself As I said earlier 20 years at sea and we took every opportunity to swim in every place we visited from Fremantle Harbour to every port around the country places like Koolan island swam there every night well until a dirty big croc came up and sat right were we used to jump in but we never went out and hunted every croc we could he was only doing his thing we just didn't swim there again well I don't think we did after all it was the seventies and most of that decade is pretty much a blur
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'dv8sluts' Meeting sexy people, swinging and Adult Fun...... is what this site is about not saving sharks! Post all this stuff on Facebook and concentrate on with what this site is about. Hang on...... I thought this site was about improving people's grammar? In which case: you need to increase your use of commas, and re-read your sentences to ensure they makes sense..You should probably also stick to clicking on topics which have a subject heading more in line with your intended use of this site.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Funlover71' I'd like to think I'd try to save anybody in that situation but that is a one on one survival instinct that kicks in. What I cannot condone is preemptively striking against a very, very, very unlikely threat. Let me tell you a short story about a young Funlover. When I was about 7, my dad was driving me home from a riding lesson about 30 minutes outside Townsville, very rural area. For no reason that I could see, he jumped on the brakes, reversed at spee and hits the brakes hard again. "What was that about?, I asked, 'Taipan', he answered. Perplexed by this answer I pushed a bit harder. My father explained, ' When I worked in the bush, snakes were the most dangerous things around so we killed them before they could kill us. The only good snake is a dead one.'. 'But it wasn't hurting anybody, dad. You should have left it alone.' I said. Then he gave me the look saying the topic wasn't up for discussion. I was so mad with him but there was no arguing with my old man. I went on to spend ten years in the bush and never killed a snake in that whole time. I have captured them around the homestead and released them later on. I got a lot of grief from people out there but I was going to stand by and let them kill an animal get killed for no reason. I'm no tree hugging hippy but I loathe the idea of thousands of sharks being killed so that the 20 people that are killed every year may be reduced to 15. errmmm, they are only putting baits out till the end of April 2014. Where the hell do you get the figure of thousands? two months to go and only about half a dozen caught. Ohh by the way I saw the remains of one of my friends taken by a Great White off North Head near Jurien Bay in the mid 1960's Bob Bartle in case you wanted a name. Another fact the Great White is not the top predator in the ocean off Bremer Bay on south coast of WA a remains of about a 12-15' White was found, chewed up by a "killer whale" which not only attack baby whales but full sized whales as well. They exterminate predatory tigers, lions elephants that have attacked humans in the sub continent and South Africa and I wouldn't be surprised that the same few Great Whites are attacking humans perhaps because they are old and can't get a feed of seals. I am for the culling of man eaters.
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RHP User
12 years ago
So I mose well say what my opinion is. For all of you against are you going to stop eating fish? As I see it fish have been caught this way you know hook and bait since who knows when. Our fisherman don't shoot them with bullet, they throw them in the boat and leave them to die. I have grown up spending hours upon hours swimming, water skiing and snorkling. I don't have a problem with the government trying to make it a bit safer. I want future generations have the same opportunity as I did enjoying our coastline. Not going without because of the fear of sharks.
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madotara69
12 years ago
To get the sharks a flag
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RHP User
12 years ago
Me – You need to look at the other side of the argument.Cottesloe – Why? I already know my opinion.Me – Well, there’s two reasons: First, so you can argue against it, and secondly, you might change your mind when you’ve examined all the facts.Cottesloe – No I won’t. I know what I think.Me – Yes, but just because you think it, it doesn't mean it’s right.Cottesloe – Well, it’s my opinion, and therefore it’s right, and you can’t tell me it’s wrong.Me – I can, but I’m not saying that your opinion is wrong, I’m saying that just as you have the right to express your opinion, others have the right to say that your opinion is wrong.Cottesloe – How can they? It’s my opinion and nobody’s got any right to disagree, because it’s my opinion.Me – Just because it’s an opinion, doesn't make it right. Imagine if you went to one doctor and he told you that you needed to have your leg amputated, but then you went to another doctor and he said that you could treat it with antibiotics. They've both got an opinion, but both opinions can’t be right.Cottesloe – Well, I think that the one who wants to treat it with antibiotics is right.Me – That may be, but the other doctor still has the right to an opinion.Cottesloe – No he doesn’t. It’s my fuckin’ leg.Me – There’s no need to swear.Cottesloe – That’s your opinion.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Funlover71'One more thing, there are 7 billion people on this planet about 4 billion more than is sustainable. Wow that is an amusing fact. So in the 50 years since 1960 when there were 3 billion we have more that doubled our population despite being unsustainable. During that time the percentage of poor and undernourished people has dropped significantly and world food production per person has grown by 20%. Have to wonder what you mean by sustainable? The greatest threat to human population growth is our decreasing reproduction rates due to that fact that living is too easy.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'richanson' errmmm, they are only putting baits out till the end of April 2014. Where the hell do you get the figure of thousands? two months to go and only about half a dozen caught. I am for the culling of man eaters. Half a dozen caught? So either a) The problem isn't as prolific as everyone is saying, or b) the shark hooks aren't working. Either way - noone could argue that removing a handful of sharks, with a roughly 50-50 target species vs unfortunate by-catch effectiveness ratio, and releasing the rest has made WA waters any safer. Maybe we should be more concerned at the waste of money this scheme is proving to become. If I wanted the government to spend $600,000 to make me feel better and safer at the beach they should have but their cash into some bikini-clad WA hotties to rub sunscreen onto people. Culling man eaters? Well how do we define them? I was at Scarb Bch when the water was cleared because of a 5m White Shark 80m offshore. I watched the chopper circle it more or less in the middle of a pack of competing/practicing lifesavers. By most people's definition that size and species of shark is a 'man-eater'. But the fact that 100s of people were effectively sharing the water with it before the chopper spotted it would make me argue it wasn't. Admittedly the 100s weren't all men.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Heres sumthing to think about,there are way way more sharks walking around on land disquised as human fecking beings than there are in da oceans,hows about a cull to get rida some of those despicable things instead of killing innocent sharks and gawd knows how many other types of marine life that get taken out during da process ,Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ,wake da fcuk up WA goverment
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Jean_Girard' Quoting 'richanson' errmmm, they are only putting baits out till the end of April 2014. Where the hell do you get the figure of thousands? two months to go and only about half a dozen caught. I am for the culling of man eaters. Half a dozen caught? So either a) The problem isn't as prolific as everyone is saying, or b) the shark hooks aren't working. Either way - noone could argue that removing a handful of sharks, with a roughly 50-50 target species vs unfortunate by-catch effectiveness ratio, and releasing the rest has made WA waters any safer. Maybe we should be more concerned at the waste of money this scheme is proving to become. If I wanted the government to spend $600,000 to make me feel better and safer at the beach they should have but their cash into some bikini-clad WA hotties to rub sunscreen onto people. Culling man eaters? Well how do we define them? I was at Scarb Bch when the water was cleared because of a 5m White Shark 80m offshore. I watched the chopper circle it more or less in the middle of a pack of competing/practicing lifesavers. By most people's definition that size and species of shark is a 'man-eater'. But the fact that 100s of people were effectively sharing the water with it before the chopper spotted it would make me argue it wasn't. Admittedly the 100s weren't all men. duhh, small hooks catch small fish, big hooks for bigger fish, don't you agree? Maybe the Great White was waiting for you and couldn't find you ;o))
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RHP User
12 years ago
I seen a doco on TV a few years ago re the great white sharks ? One thing that I recall is they have been recoded as the only species to eat there own after death??
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RHP User
12 years ago
This debate has no place in this forum. If you all want to polarise towards two diametrically opposed camps, and hurl judgement and personal criticism at each other, then you'll just end up hating each other. Hate and disdain has no place in this place of adult fun and pleasure. If you think that throwing your lot in one camp or another will increase your attractiveness to that camp, then be it on your head, but just realise that there are loads of people reading this forum who will likely disagree with you and find that adamant harping insistence upon your own opinion (right or wrong) is very unattractive. This debate has the worst of all features, including both politics and pseudo-religious green philosophy. Quit squabbling people ! You should be able to take an attractive person to bed without having to agree with their politics.
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RHP User
12 years ago
... that requires our concentrated moral consideration. Some people assume, from their narrow perspective of not seeing the interrelationship of all beings, that animals, plants, and minerals contribute little to life. The "human superiority complex" prevents full observation and recognition of who animals really are, inhibiting the learning and enrichment that is possible from close association with them. They assume humans are the ultimate status, or the most advanced or intelligent forms, and that it is somehow inferior or substandard to be anything but. Human life is not the only or ultimate life. Too often, too casually, we assume that our interests always come first. Many of us seem to have lost our restraint towards animals, an understanding of natural boundaries, a respect for them as beings with needs, wants and a place and purpose of their own. Personally, I believe culling is ethically and morally wrong. If anything it exemplifies human recklessness, greed, cowardice and cruelty. Culling on the grounds of public safety is unacceptable and inexcusable as far as I'm concerned. Ultimately I agree with others in that we go into their territory knowing full well the risks involved. Making the emphasis on being more in tune with our instincts in addition to using basic common sense can make all the difference - works for me.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'MidnightMoon' This debate has no place in this forum. If you all want to polarise towards two diametrically opposed camps, and hurl judgement and personal criticism at each other, then you'll just end up hating each other. Hate and disdain has no place in this place of adult fun and pleasure. If you think that throwing your lot in one camp or another will increase your attractiveness to that camp, then be it on your head, but just realise that there are loads of people reading this forum who will likely disagree with you and find that adamant harping insistence upon your own opinion (right or wrong) is very unattractive. This debate has the worst of all features, including both politics and pseudo-religious green philosophy. Quit squabbling people ! You should be able to take an attractive person to bed without having to agree with their politics. This is an adult site for adult conversations - this is an adult conversation. People have differing opinions but debate on this issue is what is necessary across the whole community, and we have not had a debate on it in WA. It is something that has be thrust upon us by our Govt. I have found everyone's opinions and the facts, and challenging of facts, informative. I love sex as much as the next person (and maybe more than some), but one of the things I like about RHP is the forums where issues such as this are discussed. I like to hear what others think and feel. Would a difference of opinion stop me from having sex with someone... No way! Ask anyone who's been in a long-term relationship.... I like people to be passionate if they really believe in something! Personally, I find that an attractive quality. Abuse of people, no; but disagreeing, for sure.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Rubens_II' There is no such thing as "rogue sharks" or "man-eaters". There is no such thing as sharks that "get a taste for people" and start deliberately hunting for them and making repeat attacks. All attacks are mistakes. RE Great Whites, from approximately 3.4 metres in length onwards, seals are their primary dietary item and source of energy. (Being large, active and semi warm-blooded, their energy intake needs are quite high). They hit humans thinking they're seals. Often, they then spit them out, because humans are thin and bony, not plump and fat like seals, and the Great Whites realise they've grabbed something else by mistake. Given how long female great whites take to reach female sexual maturity (at least 12 years, from memory), their low litter sizes (i.e. how shark "pups" they have), and the persecution they receive around the world including Australia (they are highly migratory) it is also false and indeed ridiculous to suggest great white numbers have surged. They have not. They have been slowly declining for decades and still are. The only thing that has changed in the last 20 years is that population numbers in south-west WA has exploded, and so, therefore, has the number of people swimming off the beaches. So yes, statistically there has been a small rise in shark attack numbers because there are far more people putting themselves into the water to be attacked. It is just very sad and quite wicked of the human race to be culling a threatened and utterly magnificent apex predator just so humans can indulge in frivolous play in the water. Humans can choose to swim in swimming pools, rivers, estuaries, etc. Great Whites can't choose to not live in the sea. It is even more wicked when the chances of shark attack are a million to one, more people die of bee-stings, lightning strikes and other ridiculous things ever year than shark attack, and that slaughtering these magnificent creatures will only reduce the risk from 0.000001% to 0.0000001% ... but will severely damage the species and push it closer to extinction. People need to accept the [incredibly low, but real] risks that come with playing in the ocean, and not demand that such an inspiration predator be slaughtered to make their frivolous play 0.0000001%. (To their credit, this is the attitude of many keen surfers, swimmers and divers who truly love the ocean.) But politicians need to reinforce this message, rather than engaging in populist, lowest-common-denominator politics and evil, stupid, ugly, pointless culls. Unfortunately, pandering to the lowest common denominator has become the norm when it comes to political decisions in this country.
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RHP User
12 years ago
To midnightmoon To think that just because you are on a dating site they everything should be about dating only goes to show how single minded you are. It is an open forum there are no subjects that are forbidden and by making the comments that you have made only makes the scope of people that want to meet you very narrow.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I oppose the shark cull too.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Does not get the heat up in a debate but sharks yep. We watch war from the armchair and where are the protesters of old? Sharks are the new fashion I guess.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Just so you know the argument that said more attacks because more swimmers is not correct. They come for the whales. Whale migration and numbers in the west has increased a lot. The whites go for the weak and the young. Unless you can read a sharks mind how the he'll would you know it made a mistake. They take people in bright dive suits and ignore the seal. They are eating what they can when it crosses their path a human is just meat. My husband will not allow those shark repel ants on board as it's been noticed that divers with them on seem to get attention from sharks. One poor guy had to fend off a shark when his so called shake protector was on. He also got a nasty shock from it as well so it was working. We should cull humans and save sharks. Any volunteers? How about the shark brigade become crash dummies for economic shark protectors. Just move to wa and take this bucket of whale oil and wade to you are waste deep. Don't forget your save the shark tee shirt
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RHP User
12 years ago
In line with the mixed messages re talking about bloody sharks and not set stuff I am going to cover all bases. So here we go, sharks are so sexy I just love their wide grin,the sure know how to eat a girl like nobody else. I like the quiet silent type. Not sure I love it when they nibble the back off my neck I am a bit worried about my shark meeting my kids. But he did say he thought grommets were sweet and then he liked his lips. people are telling me that humans are arrogant and spoil it for animals Funny thing that as I thought we were animals as well. Unless your a green ie. Cause they don't consume anything or wear clothes or use power or shit That's why shark loves them as most humans shit when he bites Em. Lady t blowing bubbles up her own arse
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'MidnightMoon' This debate has no place in this forum. I. I'm sure we all value your opinion, which if I understand this correctly,is that no-one else should be discussing their opinion. I'd put it to you that your opinion has no place on this forum. Quoting 'richanson' duhh, small hooks catch small fish, big hooks for bigger fish, don't you agree? Judging by the number of under-size sharks which keep dangling off the hooks, you should probably give fisheries a call with your insight.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Shark numbers have increased dramatically I also believe. As wowwow said, as teens there was never the scare factor of hitting the water for a solitary swim or surf.... From listening to the locals of the North West numbers have also increased dramatically. There are regular sightings at Dampier Bay which never use to be. Apparently crocs are are on there way there as well now. What is the answer..who knows. What I do know is that culling gives a false sense of security however I do not have a problem with it. If this same fish was caught out at sea by a fisherman, are the do gooders enraged about that.... I think not. You do not see it, therefore detached. How is it different too catching sharks as a food source as to culling a few. Time to be realistic I think. Quite hilarious how most of the people against culling are from over the border Lady T xxx Welcome back gawjus.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Why wen these sharks are caught are the dumped at see? Why are they filletted not taken to the local fish markets? Cheaper fish & Chips.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I have been following this thread and was wondering how long it would be till someone did a little research and found out the reason the sharks are back.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Just thought I would point out your insight, is to get some factual figures .... oh by the way another Great White shark made a mistake in the York Peninsular and accidentally killed a swimmer
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'BradBi' Why wen these sharks are caught are the dumped at see? Why are they filletted not taken to the local fish markets? Cheaper fish & Chips. big fish that eat a a lot of smaller fish get a build up of it in their flesh
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12 years ago
Coming from Scotland, my opinion wont really count, what do I know, as we havent this problem at home. Im still looking at both sides of the coin....but I agree with you in that the Adult Forums are here for discussions on a wide range of matter, not just sex, its interesting to hear members points of views and opinions on current topics, and sometimes it surprises me when someone adds a very interesting post, and I think, (in admiration), that was unexpected? Other posts, I read and think, What an a**hole. But that what keeps it all so addictive.................
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12 years ago
Quoting 'LadyTuscan' Quoting 'BradBi' Why wen these sharks are caught are the dumped at see? Why are they filletted not taken to the local fish markets? Cheaper fish & Chips. big fish that eat a a lot of smaller fish get a build up of it in their flesh Thank you for the info. As long as there is a reason for it.. it seemed a bit silly, but that make sense.
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RHP User
12 years ago
To inspirit one of the things that really piss me off is the idiots who see a shark and immediately scream great white if they took the time to look properly they would see that it was probably everything but a great white. Considering that whites are predominantly cold water fish means that seeing one north of even nor west cape is rare to say that there numbers have increased in a place where they are rarely seen is just bullshit
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12 years ago
Quoting 'perthmasterdv8' To inspirit one of the things that really piss me off is the idiots who see a shark and immediately scream great white if they took the time to look properly they would see that it was probably everything but a great white. Considering that whites are predominantly cold water fish means that seeing one north of even nor west cape is rare to say that there numbers have increased in a place where they are rarely seen is just bullshit Did I mention they were Great Whites
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RHP User
12 years ago
Shark attack wound/bite patterns suggest exploratory behaviour. Bearing in mind, sharks explore items with their mouths, much like human infants. During a predatory bout with a seal (for example), the initial bite is usually forceful enough to impair the motion of the mammal to prevent escape. Bite patterns on people, however, are predominately superficial. Superficial bites occur when a shark mouths an object to examine it; the bites are insufficient to handicap a seal. The severity of the wounds is the result of secondary wounds caused as the victim reacts to the initial wound. Emotions aside, statistical incidence (particularly in the big scheme of things) does not substantiate categorising them as man eaters in my opinion. At the end of the day, I refuse to believe that we are not able to co-exist - unwilling to perhaps but by no means unable to.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'LadyTuscan' Quoting 'BradBi' Why wen these sharks are caught are the dumped at see? Why are they filletted not taken to the local fish markets? Cheaper fish & Chips. big fish that eat a a lot of smaller fish get a build up of it in their flesh Probably high mercury content, that's why I don't eat shark if I can help it
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RHP User
12 years ago
and I hear the effort hasn't been a great success with only four or five sharks actually killed though many smaller sized sharks have been caught on the drum lines, many of them spending hours on the line bleeding. When pulled in, it has been seen that they have been attacked by other sharks. So not only are the frums not working to drop the numbers significamtly, it also looks like leaving the sharks on the drum lines for hours is actually attracting other sharks
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