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Swingers are conservative
February 03 2013
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RHP User
13 years ago
No. Don't think you can call my views on marriage and family conservative. Ufortunately, choosing not to get married with children is still frowned upon in today's society.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Couldn't agree morewith your comment.. I chose a career over having children ( but having said that, it turned out that I couldnt have any anyway but...) and even today many (mainly women) still say to me........."Oh couldnt you have children ? " (like how rude even to ask !!! when I say No I chose to have a different life..they nod at me condescendingly..and then they start THE LECTURE - you will know it Ms D ...(Im sur eyou have heard it) ...gggrrrr As for OP I am conservative in various aspects of my life...I make no apologies for that...my choices, my life and Im not hurting anyone ( to the best of my knowledge) .and not enforcing my ways onto anyone.....Im comfortable with the way I live...however when it comes to sex and who I share my body with Im probably more open and open minded about sex and all that it entails.... than other aspects of my life, say like my political beliefs etc, however it doesnt mean it dominates my thinking either Stereotypes are alive and well in 2013 - as Ms D said and heres another example I attend a nudist beach...most days of the weekends and occassionally during the week...I chat to all and sundry< I am a friendly girl......I love the beach, the outdoors, water etc...Im a beach babe................but I cant begin to tell you how many guys have hit on me at the beach - believeing that just because I shed my clothes - I must at the same time shed my morals........ Now Ill be honest...its kinda flattering but kinda annoying.Yes Ive picked up at the beach...but by pickup..Ive met someone, we have exchanged numbers and met up later that nite at the pub, restaurant etc and taken it from there....but so many guys come up for a chat and I swear within 10 minuntes they are blatant enough to ask..."So you want to fuck ?" ..yes they are that eloquent... A classic example of stereotyping...because I am a nudist - I must therefore be gagging for it................ aarrrgghhh... And dont even start me on equal pay ..............rite off to wash that annyoing san particles which seems to have lodged in my..............................
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RHP User
13 years ago
I love a good label.Buddhist,Anarcho,Feminist me
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RHP User
13 years ago
Maybe that could be said about swingers but not polys. Those views are dramatically opposed to the norm in most western cultures. Conservative when it comes to relationships and families and love, no they are not conservative at all. Are they conservative about other things... Depends on the person. They way you have worded your question seems to be you don't understand polyamory. Discuss. :p
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RHP User
13 years ago
I am quite partial to the leftist, commies and hippie lovers. They have some very good ideas. Our society all living as single units... Don't know think in a lot of ways we have got it wrong. :)
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RHP User
13 years ago
all types of costumes (aka stereotypes) .... I've tried a few already ... I'll stick with my birthday suit for now ;-) It just fits like a glove :-) but suspenders and a black tutu feel nice tootoo!!!!
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RHP User
13 years ago
any more of a namby pamby arty farty pinky leftist commie hippie if I tried. I think I was born six decades too late, or too early (assuming our secret plans for world domination finally take hold, comrade.) The Soviet Union's not dead, it's just resting its eyes!OK, so in some of my more reflective moments I can bring myself to admit that deep down, I have some disturbing dark capitalist tendencies buried in my psyche. But not conservative. Never conservative. What's the point in accepting the status quo? We can always do better! Plus, have you seen how terrified, of, like, everything those folks are? The immigrants. The gays. The women with short haircuts, who are probably gay immigrants. Except, ironically, climate change - the one thing that the scientific community overwhelmingly suggests is happening and influenced by human activity. Go figure!
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RHP User
13 years ago
Polys, swingers & root rats of RHP can all still be conservative about sex... It's just that they are more promiscuous perhaps. ;-)
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madotara69
13 years ago
I reflect upon the good times we have had, I enjoy the best in people very much, someone may be considered wrong yet may just be right for their reasons, I find that interesting.Mado
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RHP User
13 years ago
Never have been ... nor would I ... call myself Conservative! And I'm on Red Hot Pie
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RHP User
13 years ago
I'm finding the political mix on here is pretty mainstream, in other words about the same as you would find elsewhere in society.As for me definitely a left bent or as I describe myself a right wing greenie !
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RHP User
13 years ago
I think Mesolonghi, that you will find that RHP'ers are as diverse as the rest of the community. There are left wing, right wing, middle people and apathetic people!Personally, I would describe myself as left leaning but more a social democrat than a true lefty. I believe we should build our economy and society around the values of social justice, equity rather than equality. I believe that your rights end when they start to impinge on others' rights. In terms of the environment, I support carbon pricing and any other economic measures to entice and encourage business to become more energy efficient and improve investment in green energy technologies, as using the economy is the only way we will effectively break our oil addiction. I believe we need to take these measures if we want to leave a non-toxic environment for the next generation. Whilst on the subject, I also believe we need to reduce the world population dramatically.In terms of family, I don't know about others, but in my experience (as a tail-end Gen Y), I have never felt pressure to "be a good woman" and get married or have kids. Who cares who the provider is, as long as there is money coming into the household (although Mr Otori doesn't agree with that)? I wanted to become well educated and have a career, so I went and got a good education and am now starting my career. I always said if I didn't want my own children by 30, I wouldn't have them. Now I'm 30 and I am glad I don't have my own! I don't feel I'm missing out on anything at all (which is always the lecture you get from mothers).The other common "family values" issue (which shouldn't be an issue) is marriage equality. Allowing same-sex couples to marry makes sense as it will strengthen our communities. Gay parents are no different from straight parents, studies have shown that children of Gay parents do just as well as children of straight parents. Children of lesbian parents tend to do better. As for the religious argument? Well, I'd like to see all organised religion abolished, or at least not tax exempt if they are going to push their views on the rest of us in the political sphere. I know not everyone would agree with my views, and that's the beauty of a free and democratic society. We can have many different views but still remain friends !
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RHP User
13 years ago
Yes, RHP members are representative of the entire population and not all revolutionaries. That is what you mean, isn't it. Without our more liberal views towards sexuality, there's not much to differentiate the bulk of us from the bulk of Australian society. We perform our duties at work and at home. We live, laugh and love just like our neighboors and while we may have opinions on the state of the world, very few of us are out there trying to change the status quo.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Haven't heard that before, I like it and your views, very similar.*LIKE*
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RHP User
13 years ago
I can remember reading mostly USA research swingers are conservative mainstream. We just want to swap partners with other committed married couples every now and again. But our understanding of swinging is out dated now, We think swinging now means a orgy. the couple requirement has been removed.
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RHP User
13 years ago
I agree OP, from my experience on here, most are pretty mainstream in most of their views. Conservative even. But then so am I. RHP is just a microcosm of the greater world - there will be one or two who fall far at each end of the spectrum with the bulk of us in the middle. I'm not even sure that i'd say that sexually i'm far from mainstream - i like variety, i like to learn, i like exploring - i don't think that's so far left of centre? I certainly don't think a membership on RHP, liking women or anal sex qualifies someone as not being mainstream or conservative. Maybe where i am unusual is in the fact that i accept each and every person for who they are- kinks and all. I've actually been a little suprised at times at how unwilling some members are to be open minded about other peoples choices - if ever you were in doubt check out the cheating and married men cheating threads! Funny how no one wants to think of themselves as conservative or mainstream.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Ms_Devious' No. Don't think you can call my views on marriage and family conservative. Ufortunately, choosing not to get married with children is still frowned upon in today's society. My eldest child is on this forum aged 35...my youngest child is only 12 years old and I have never found the need to get married nor have I ever been put down, critised, ostracized or even frowned upon openly by anyone. . . But then I guess I really dont care what others think. I have always been an individual and not a sheep. Why should the sexual orientation of a person or couple make them more "out there" than someone else? That just does not make sense to me. As for being conservative.....yes I think I am, just not all that narrow minded and closed.
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RHP User
13 years ago
as left leaning as I was a a teen, but still not happy with society. The US freaks me... The old USSR equally disturbing.... Islamic societies seem to be incredibly repressive.... Mike
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RHP User
13 years ago
You mean they are 'normal' people...... who'd of thunk it?????
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RHP User
13 years ago
I think you would probably find the same range of viewpoints, politics and personal philosophies on here as elsewhere.
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RHP User
13 years ago
So aren't you making a generalisation to support your argument for being against a stereotype?
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RHP User
13 years ago
I agree with Handmaiden. I have not come across any sort of prejudice because I am single with no kids, never been married and never been in a long term relationship either. Did I choose this for myself. No I didn't, that's just how life turned out. Am I worried about it. Nope, I am having a ball and I get to do what I want, when I want and I travel the world. Do people who have married young and have kids, and still live almost in be same neighborhood they were brought up in understand me. Nope, they can not comprehend my life at all, the same way I can't comprehend theirs. I couldn't live like they do nor do I want too. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
13 years ago
It's more the fact that I chose not to to have children. I have been in several long-term relationships, but even that did not change my mind. I still find I get judged for not having kids, and I have had questions like "Don't you think you're being selfish?" or "Don't you have any maternal instinct?", without people even asking WHY I don't have any. I that case I tend to say (lip quivering) "What makes you think I can HAVE children?". Usually enough to get an apology real fast. Surely your eldest child recognises some of this?
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RHP User
13 years ago
Don't mean to hijack your thread on being CONSERVATIVE.
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RHP User
13 years ago
I said that once in a job interview.... I can't have children.......to a bombastic male chauvinistic bloke, who I didn't want to work for or with anyway. Still see him professionally occasionally...... I have gorgeous step children, god chilren and nieces and nephews. and I love kids.....but it wasn't to be. Wouldn't trade my life and the memories..... I am the favourite auntie who always has time and a smile on my dial..... Life is good.. I am hoping the next generation gets allowed the choice....without judgement.....
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Ms_Devious' It's more the fact that I chose not to to have children. I have been in several long-term relationships, but even that did not change my mind. I still find I get judged for not having kids, and I have had questions like "Don't you think you're being selfish?" or "Don't you have any maternal instinct?", without people even asking WHY I don't have any. I that case I tend to say (lip quivering) "What makes you think I can HAVE children?". Usually enough to get an apology real fast. Surely your eldest child recognises some of this? I have no maternal instinct whatsoever and I freely admit it. I just don't particularly like children (in general...some I've met are ok, cute even). And the argument that people are 'selfish' if they don't have kids makes me laugh for so many reasons.As for my political leanings...I'm a lefty when it comes to most issues...particularly social and environmental.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Luckdragon23' I have no maternal instinct whatsoever and I freely admit it. I just don't particularly like children (in general...some I've met are ok, cute even). And the argument that people are 'selfish' if they don't have kids makes me laugh for so many reasons.As for my political leanings...I'm a lefty when it comes to most issues...particularly social and environmental. Im so sick of politics.... same shit different flies.Im pro environment, but also say that make believe jobs like banking and etc should not exist.I like kids... yes even the naughty ones.. cant wait to have some someday.. hopefully mine are cute like you said Dragon. I think its all the women choice, but couples should be on the same page before getting into such a commitment that involves kids at present or in the future.
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playfulminx
13 years ago
I would have to say that the opposite is true also. I know enough tree-hugging, whale-saving, friends of refugees that vehemently advocates same-sex marriage (as they should, mind you) but would NEVER think it's OK to swing. Many lefty-minded people are not so open-minded sexually :|
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RHP User
13 years ago
...and helped a hot hippie woman braid her armpit hair.I liked hugging the tree...and regret tying the hippie woman to it with the hair ropes.A sense of empathy and a modicum of remorse are...true signs of the conservative.
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RHP User
13 years ago
according to the program on SBS,Sex and Death with Richard Dawkins,people who are childless live longer...makes sense to me...why is choosing to not have children a radical act? It is simply a lfestyle choice which many women have made in the past.They were referred to as spinsters or old maids...radical indeed....oh and of course many were lesbian couples,it was just that most people including Queen Victoria couldn't believe such a perversion could exist.So lesbianism was never a criminal act,unlike homosexuality and buggery.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Whatever you do is Fine ... Live your lives the way you want Our birth right is to do just that Who cares what others think of how we choose to live our lives I figure if people are going to judge & make an Issues Really they are not happy in their own Lives ... I know I'm right! Love ones self & do what makes you HappyLIVE YOUR LIFE ... YOUR WAY ... not how other want you too
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RHP User
13 years ago
I haven't popped back into this topic since I posted it - for fear I'd be shouted out / down / at.But I should have had more faith!! Wow, interesting observations. I loved reading all that.This post *was* inspired by my own observations that, at times, members of this forum are less willing to give ground on differing opinions and beliefs than I had expected. But that just aligns with the many astute comments above that it's just a microcosm, or more correctly, representative sample of all of society. In that sense, there will be conservative (that is, unwilling to change views - rather than right-wing) people here. Conservative liberals, even.Of course, I mixed everyone into the same pot (swingers, polys, the promiscuous and those with atypical attitudes towards sexual expression), which is pretty misleading - a Morman with many wives is very different to a swinger is (as I've learnt) different to polyamorists. But, Jensman, you picked up on my wonder (surprise, perhaps) that this place sometimes felt no different to a P&C meeting, or some other "conventional" collection of people. Would we get any more or less pleasure if this wasn't an "underground" thing?Jensta, I am glad you waited until the end to post. You're absolutely right, but you would have killed this all stone dead :)
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