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Unemployment
January 30 2016
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RHP User
10 years ago
The trouble with education, ignorance is bliss and there's no going back, first thing you learn is how much you don't know, from there on its a treadmill, professional students publishing frantically to stay on the treadmill. Education is great if you have an endgame but for the sake of it academia can be as soul destroying as process work.
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RHP User
10 years ago
The Gov is letting jobs go overseas but greed and profitare more important than people.
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RHP User
10 years ago
hey are you in a city or a country town? my experience.... getting a job in a country town is like which rugby team i play for or where i drink coffee at lol
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MsJonesy
10 years ago
But my one piece of advice is volunteer, and then do more volunteer work. There's lots of agencies and organisations which are screaming out for people to help them out. It will widen your knowledge, widen your outlook and beef up your resume.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Although this is the first time in my life I have been out of work for more than 3 months. its not a good feeling. Ive been told my age is against me, which is nonsense. I think Im healthy, fit and reliable, but unfortunately being over 50 seems to render you useless. Most applications have to be made online. Ive walked around lots of establishments and presented myself and my resume and certificates only to be told to go and apply online! Im going to look into volunteering now. Something will come up but til then I need to be occupied. Dryphuz, a couple of my male friends are unemployed and finding it hard going, its a horrible situation and I hope you get something very soon. Keep in the mindset that its not a hopeless situation, at least you are doing something about it and not sitting at home becoming depressed, which is all to easy. Best of luck to you xx
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Dryphuz
10 years ago
isn't really my thing. I had jobs in mind during my undergrad, but i didn't realise how important networking was. I'm not good at it either (social anxiety). I also chose a really niche field, biotechnology. Well its not that small and it prepared me for most of the possible jobs in science, but this is adelaide where its very much who you know not what you know. This time round i'm gonna network my ass off. My masters will be in IT. Heaps more jobs. I've only started looking into volunteering in the last couple of months. Wish i'd thought of it sooner. One of the places my cv is lacking is referees. Since i haven't worked anywhere in ages i've lost touch with the ones i had. Volunteering will help fill that gap. The worst thing is being stuck in the damn dole queue with all the numpties who are trying to avoid getting a job, and heres me actually trying. By the time the poor centrelink lady gets to me she's lost the will to live let alone help me. i saw one of em get spat on 2 weeks ago.
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RHP User
10 years ago
In my life I have taken on some shit jobs to make ends meet. Eventually I got on the right path and scored the job I wanted. Since then not a problem. I guess, for me, my education was secondary to my experience and motivation/persistsnce. Good luck mate! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
Networking for the socially anxious, try Linkedin, read,write and network, make online contacts all on your pc.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Search out companies within your area of knowledge. Let them know that you have the theory, and you are willing to offer your time free for a day a week to gain the practical experience. This will keep you occupied, give you something to wake up for etc. Anytime an opening comes up you'll be first on the list, it may not be the job you want, but at least you're in the door. I can imagine being unemployed is soul destroying, and confidence sapping, and that spiral can get worse as time goes by. Don't bang you head against this wall, you'll just end up with a headache . Grab a sledge hammer and knock it down. All the very best in your search
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RHP User
10 years ago
you can be over qualified for your environment..... - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
Yes, biotech is a rather niche field...fascinating though, and an area in which I think is really going to explode in the coming years. You mentioned your social anxiety, and I remember you posting a forum about that awhile back. Does that anxiety contribute to your difficulties in obtaining and keeping work, in your opinion?
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RHP User
10 years ago
...you could choose a job...note, it doesn't have to be career...that is eminently employable and show your worth. I chose to train as a chef when I finished high school and I've never been unemployed in my life. Last May, I think it was, I chose to resign with no particular plans because I was feeling a bit disillusioned...and I took 10 weeks off. Before that time was up my former employer rang me, asking for my assistance again. My point to this...? Make yourself employable. Unfortunately, Ancient History or Cetacean Biology...for example...might not be particularly employable skills. It's that old principle of retail of finding what sells and making money out of it. Good luck with whatever you do.
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MsJonesy
10 years ago
Quoting 'Dryphuz' isn't really my thing. I had jobs in mind during my undergrad, but i didn't realise how important networking was. I'm not good at it either (social anxiety). I also chose a really niche field, biotechnology. Well its not that small and it prepared me for most of the possible jobs in science, but this is adelaide where its very much who you know not what you know. This time round i'm gonna network my ass off. My masters will be in IT. Heaps more jobs. I've only started looking into volunteering in the last couple of months. Wish i'd thought of it sooner. One of the places my cv is lacking is referees. Since i haven't worked anywhere in ages i've lost touch with the ones i had. Volunteering will help fill that gap. The worst thing is being stuck in the damn dole queue with all the numpties who are trying to avoid getting a job, and heres me actually trying. By the time the poor centrelink lady gets to me she's lost the will to live let alone help me. i saw one of em get spat on 2 weeks ago. There are also long lines of unemployed IT experts. You will have a Masters but no practical experience to go with it; that is what employers look for. I'd really have another think about doing that, and taking on the debt which will some day have to be paid back.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Stirry' you can be over qualified for your environment..... - Posted from rhpmobile Best to submit any quals directly related to the job in a modest light and not others that might see them consider you as over qualified.I ditched a pile of glowing employment references I had as a mechanic that as I got older too often got the response that I was over qualified, particularly in large places. I just used the more basically worded ones that just state my work and attendance was up to scratch and periods of employment without any superlatives expressed in them. It also scares them that you are more likely than others to push them for more pay later once they employ you or that you are only there until you find a better paid position using your full skills set.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I highly recommend volunteering. I was made redundant after 13 years with a Government company about 16 months ago. I wanted to take a year off. 2 months in I somehow fell into a full time Voluntary position with a company running a Drug and Alcohol rehab. I've just finished with them after just getting another good Gov position. Anyway, the 10 months or so I spent volunteering did me more good than even now i realize. Very rewarding and educational experience. It looks great on the CV to. I'd go with that or grow some weed for a year or two... keeps you busy and the cash can be ok. Good luck
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sweetgem
10 years ago
In Australia, particularly in Sydney, is one hell of a challenge/competition in the current economy! However, it is not impossible to find job at all if one could lower their expectations in terms of job type, fields, salary, etc. Having a university degree or two, or three, is good, but having too many can have the opposite result sometimes because, when we have gone through years of study and worked hard to obtain our qualifications, we of course would expect to get job in our specialised field as well as expecting to get a better pay job, that is a normal psychological thinking and/or expectation. However, what some of us tend to forget, at times, is we may have the required degree(s), we do not have the relevant or sufficient work experience in our preferred areas. Therefore, it is still a big problem in finding employment in our preferred fields after obtaining the required degree(s) as we have hundreds of other people to compete with. So, my whole point for saying the above is, sometimes we must temporarily change our fields of interest in order to get job if we don't want to go and queue up at Centrelink, which I have done so a few times in the past where I ended up washing dishes at a restaurant, doing all the dirty work at a fast food/take away shop, etc. because I just simply wanted nothing to do with Centrelink! I didn't get paid well for doing those labour works, but at least I earned a living with my own two hands and sweat and frankly, making little income is still better than earning none! :) OP, please do not take my comment personally or wrong as I'm only sharing my little tips of survival under tough circumstances :) - Posted from rhpmobile
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Dryphuz
10 years ago
Luck_Dragon Simple answer is yes. But lab geek jobs and certain computer jobs are some of the best for the socially anxious. 50wetfigs Already have one, but it hasn't led to anything yet. Stirry Thats what happened when i tried for a job as a postie. But in biotech i've got just the right skills. I totally know what you mean though. Kissk While this is true, there are far more openings for IT professionals than there are for experts in genetic manipulation. Plus theres the whole networking thing. I didn't do it in my undergrad. I intend to do my best at it in my masters. You get lectures from many industry experts, its just about going up to them after and making a connection. Sweetgem Spot on really. My first job out of uni was outbound telesales for telstra (which is a nightmare for social anxiety) and my next was working in a laundry. And i'm not really money motivated, i prefer job satisfaction to a big paycheck. The main reason i'm going back to uni is because i was getting to the point where applying at mcdonalds was starting to look attractive and i'd rather re-skill than sink that low. And i actually liked washing dishes. What i didn't like was how everyone in a kitchen wants to chat constantly (social anxiety again).
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RHP User
10 years ago
I don't usually comment on post of personal nature but I agree with pretty much all of what was said before - but most importantly I would strongly discourage you from going back to uni and completing a Masters in the hope of securing employment. It is not going to pay the bills whist you study and it costs a lot of money - why get into more debt? Whilst a masters or any postgraduate degree for matter in any field is a nice addition when it comes to the selection process the amount of work experience one has in the field way much more. I would rather hire someone who only has a degree or even diploma but has been working in the area for 5 or 10years therefore has subject matter expertise - REAL ONE than someone who spent 2-3years at uni writing essay after essay on topics they have never actually experienced in real life. if you feel there is a need for you to brush up or improve your skills then go to TAFE...they have various courses in topics that are in demand (even in IT - they have an IT Project Manager Diploma or Advanced Diploma which is much more in demand and stable then learning a programming language that becomes out of date within 2 months) and are faster to complete and cost less. You might also want to take a look at http://joboutlook.gov.au/ which is a government site listing data of the various job industries and their projections for the next 5-10years in terms of employment level or http://myfuture.edu.au/ which is again a government site (a fancy one!) with a lot of options around learning, choosing an industry etc.. I would say finding a job in SYD is extremely difficult, I personally would move out of Sydney after looking for a job unsuccessfully for 3-4months and try my luck elsewhere - e.g New Zealand (they do have a lot of IT openings if that is what you are interested in) or SA, WA anywhere but out of Sydney..I am saying you should move out of SYD I am just stating my perspective. Stirry's point on being over qualified is very valid - if you are for the job then do not disclose it! Simple as that - tailor your CV and cover letter to the job - don't list ALL of your qualifications for the job just the ones they are looking for Do smaller jobs - freelancing if you are in such an area - there are websites out there that cater for this - you can bid on a job or a task, get that done, get feedback from the customer and who knows it might lead to a job. But - in my closing words - bear in mind that the job environment is changing. The number of people who are in full time stable employment is starting to decline and will continue to decline - people will be doing part-time jobs and more of them, most of us will have 2 or 3 part time jobs at the same time within 10years - that is going to be norm. The promise of "stable work for 20-30years" is FALSE..it is gone..the economy the disruption effect of the information technology means that companies are no longer hiring for life - they hire for projects. Projects start and end - EVERYONE will be impacted by this..the sooner we get our head around this and brace ourselves for what is coming the better it is..Look for projects - and best of luck
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RHP User
10 years ago
...the job environment is certainly changing, and those of us who wish to be employed within it need to recognise that and adapt. It's evolution really. Business's on every level...from the small ones to the multinationals, evolve and adapt to stay alive or they'll go the way of the Dodo. Shouldn't we as individuals follow their example?For 8 years now I've worked in the mining industry of Australia and I still enjoy the lifestyle. I'm nobody, I'm just a simple Chef. But I'm not stupid.In that time, I've watched the trends in the microcosm of this sector...I don't have to look for them, they just happen around me and everyone else. I've watched the Projects and the Sites grow and shrink...and the salaries too. The ore and LNG prices go up and down, the contracts are won and lost and the huge multinationals, my employer included, adjust their structures and methods to stay competitive and survive. It's all connected.Naturally, I talk with people in all lines of work within this sector...we've all got to eat ...and the trend across the board is one of consolidation and careful expansion at the moment. But for the average joe like me...or you...there's still plenty of opportunity to get ahead quicker than you have been. You don't need special skills( though it never hurts to...remember...NETWORKING ), you just need a willingness to work. EVERYONE who does this...drillers, welders, geologists, cleaners, plumbers, IT techs, receptionists, medics, chefs etc etc...is just trying to get ahead quicker. You don't have to do it forever. But...and this is the clincher...you need to move to where the work is if you don't have anything of value to offer but yourself. You need to be flexible. If your a single man with no dependents, what have you got to lose?
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Dryphuz
10 years ago
Quoting 'SYDnobarbie' I would say finding a job in SYD is extremely difficult, I personally would move out of Sydney after looking for a job unsuccessfully for 3-4months and try my luck elsewhere - e.g New Zealand (they do have a lot of IT openings if that is what you are interested in) or SA, WA anywhere but out of Sydney..I am saying you should move out of SYD I am just stating my perspective. I don't live in sydney... I'm in adelaide. I think a lot of people are misunderstanding my logic behind pursuing a masters. I can't get a job in my current field. I've tried for 6 years and got nowhere. I can't even get in the door to do work experience, I cant even work for free. Pretty much everyone i graduated with hasn't got anything either. Also i cant do any job. Plenty are just so unsuitable for someone with social anxiety they would actually be damaging to my mental health, and i haven't been able to get any of the unqualified jobs that i am suitable for (no references). So i am doing a masters to change field. There are way more jobs in IT and the industry is growing. Yes the biotech industry is growing but considering how small it is it will never be as big. Look at it this way, virtually every workplace needs an IT guy, not every workplace needs an expert in genetics. Sure i could go do a TAFE course, but i cant learn what i want to at TAFE, nor do i have the money to pay for a TAFE course, otherwise i would have to do a government funded job seeker course and i can get the same knowledge (if not the piece of paper) from reading an idiots guide. I'm already well beyond that level in IT. HECS debt... If i never earn enough to pay off my hecs debt, i'll never notice its there. If i earn enough to pay off my hecs debt, I'll be stoked i'm earning enough.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Have you thought about web design as that is so big anywhere and enables you to work from home without those social anxieties. I only mention this as it is I.T. not that I am familiar with the many facets of that industry. A few peoples I have known went that way as they were finding it hard to find work in that field , probably because there are so many I.T people out there and considering how many young people study this area now it is only going to get harder. For me the problem I have found is all employers are interested in these days is a resume' and mine is very poor. Canvassing and phone calls seem to be the only viable option for me these days. I get sick and tired of service that lacks all because of employing because of a qualification not the person themselves.
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RHP User
10 years ago
and you get "Institutionalised" ..AND in a lot of cases... you are only any good thereafter as a professional "Student"All of a sudden, "Work" and "Jobs" is below your capabilities.I get so many people come through on shutdowns and shit.. who really need to get their heads out of their arses and knuckle own to REAL work.NOT saying you are one of these OP...Just saying.. in general..WHICH reminds me..My daughter went back to Uni to get a Masters in ART..When she told me.. I said... "Unreal... BUT.. for your opinion Daughter... do you know HOW to correctly address someone who has achieved a Masters in Art?"Oh.. she puffed up, realising there WAS a title status...And replied.. "No!! how??""I'll have fries with that Big Mac please..."
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Dryphuz
10 years ago
'cheese and rice' i've lost count of the number of useless people with pieces of paper who've never pushed a broom or scrubbed a pot. Yes I'll have several pieces paper, but i know what it is to work. The ones i hated were the kids at school who had everything they wanted and no job, while i was doing 20+ hrs a week and getting better grades, but had to eat homemade sandwiches all week so i could afford to have my brother buy me ouzo for the party on friday. But mommy and daddy's little angels gets dropped off by mommy and daddy with a bottle of Johnnie walker and a 6 pack of crown they picked up on the way. Fuck you you spoilt shit. You know who you are. I'm too old to be institutionalised. I know what you mean though. kids go straight from high school into what appears to be another kind of school and so they come out of that expecting the workplace to be like... School. I always thought the way to refer to someone with a masters was "I'll have a cappuccino and a choc chip muffin please."
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