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What was left unsaid - An open letter to YOU

June 29 2013

An RHP wise woman once suggested in a different post, that the human being is far more complex and difficult product to accommodate socially than is the traditional and socially convenient construct. - and I am all that. She also suggested that we all have certain inherent drives that are not within our ability to control - and I am all that. I am fully aware that I am setting myself up to the ridicule and to the personal judgment of the RHP members but I don't care, as I don't care about you being older or more accomplished than me. You've so abruptly cut off any communication with me, so here I am - writing to YOU and open letter. Over the months we spent together, we've discussed relentlessly the comments and ideas many have put forward in the forums. These discussions brought us closer, and showed me a different perspective related to relationships, love, friendship, commitment, sex & endings. I say "relentlessly" because now I realise how narrow minded I was in my views and how my fear stoped me in recognising a really great person that you are. When we met my intentions were rather simple, and leaned toward a casual relationship more than anything. Only after you "closed the door" I realise and acknowledged this to be true. I wanted to stay in your life, and I know you wanted me to, but none of us had the courage to actually say it. What I know now is that I have feelings for you which are confusing and exhilarating. Feelings of longing and more, feelings which won't go away, and it makes my feet "to want to walk to where you are sleeping". It's not lust, and I want YOU to know that. I know now that by trying to delude myself of having had an "emotional bypass", and being able to treat our times of passion with detachment, was just a puerile manifestation of trying to deny my own fears. You were right, love cannot be empirically verified. Love is not in the heart although it is mostly associated with it. Love is not a particular action though a particular action, like giving a gift or flower or comforting a sad or sick person, could be an expression of love, but it is not love itself. Love could not be reduced to any particular thing or action though they may express what love is, but not totally. Love is one particular concept that does not have a specific correspondence with any empirical reality. We all say this, but I often wonder how many of us at times, really grasp the meaning of it. So here I am saying it - life is short, and is worth living. There is so much time lost in human life in waiting or hiding ourselves,pretending..... If you will call for me, I will come - and I will stay. If not, know that I am everything that I have loved. Signed - just ME

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    he reads your letter OP,a beautiful and poignant post...thank you for sharing. x R

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    What a beautiful letter. I hope "HE" reads it, and to follow your line of thought (not my words though).......   “Someday, somewhere - anywhere, unfailingly, you'll find yourself, and that, and only that, can be the happiest or bitterest hour of your life.” You seem to have find yourself, I hope he will "call".   Good luck. Steve

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    After reading that, I just wish you the best of luck

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    never claim to know the real essences of things, although a "broken heart" sometimes may give us a glimpse. The wiser strategy is to learn from one's inevitable mistakes, and stay against conceptual paradigms. Really beautiful letter. I hope "HE" will read your letter (and call you)

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    I hope you get some closure, even if only through having written this.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    wise beyond her years and open to feelings, joy and sorrow   you go woman, and take a bit of the apple of life   smooches Lady_T

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    I hope your love contacts you nostalgic girl. Good luck xx

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Quoting 'Lady_Tuscan' wise beyond her years and open to feelings, joy and sorrow  Couldn't agree more.

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Beautifully put Nostalgic Girl. Good Luck. I hope HE reads and responds. I really hope that he feels the same way. Xxx

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Beautiful, vulnerable and real. Hope he is willing to be/do the same. Good luck for happy days ahead- Posted from rhpmobile

  • BrightBubbly

    BrightBubbly

    13 years ago

    That was just beautiful and I have so much to say but no idea where to start.Sometimes you meet someone in your life and they have the power to change everything you thought you knew and everything you thought you believed in. They changed the way you think and the way you feel. I had a man come into my life that changed everything for me and I mean everything... and then all too soon he was gone. Now I consider myself to be a pretty together sort of woman, I am intelligent, funny, have a great life with my kids and my family but he changed something in me. I am not even sure I can put my finger on it.He left my life suddenly and I reacted with anger and hurt. I have so many things I wanted to say to him but never got the chance. It has taken a long time to even start to put the pieces back together and I am not sure the jigsaw puzzle will ever fit right again.I do have moments of clarity where I can see the way forward, where I can see the me I am striving to become. I take all the wonderful things he has taught me and silently thank him for that knowledge. That is all I can do, take the gift of knowing him and make the most of it.I try to honour those gifts every day, sometimes it is hard and sometimes it is easy and one day I hope that the man that I need in my life will be there looking for me, as I am looking for him...

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Weren't quite ready to say goodbye, HuH?

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Wow!! You write with such depth and clarity.... My thoughts are with you because I have experienced a very similar situation to the one you have written about here... Like you, I've been writing about what happened to me and "us", but I haven' posted or published it anywhere..... Yet... Thank you for saying things that brought some new clear light, particularly the material about love not being empirically measurable and how actions can say love but that is different to trying to "locate" love..... I am searching for someone and it seems you are too and I hope that person is with you before long.... Paulo x x- Posted from rhpmobile

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    He reads your letter and comes back to you! Good luck Gypsy- Posted from rhpmobile

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    I am touched that you have chosen to share with us. Not your situation, but your emotions, feelings and desires are mine of the recent past, I wish she would read... But alas not. My thoughts and hopes for you, Hp xo

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    I hear you and I wish you all the best in reuniting, or if it must be, in moving on. Thank you both for your open, honest and vulnerable posts - they brought tears to my eyes and made me feel a little less alone. My heart is with you both, and with anyone who's struggling with grief, loss, confusion and heartache xxx

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    I am unsure why when I read this two days ago I cried, read it yesterday again, had tears, read it again just now and tears again???? What a courage thing to do...beautiful!!! I wish you all the best Nostalgic girl...Please let us know how its going? *big hugs* Thank you for sharing. FOXY PS-brightandbubbly hugs to you too. :-)

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    A wise man wrote to me once,   "That the only love worth possessing is free of any possession and the truth is, that love is generally conditioned by a expiration date".

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    I am glad you had the thoughts to put to paper its lovely...Funny today I had thought about something I once said to my ex-husband about how two people who are together should learn or gain something positive from each other. And that we didnt have that at all.And today I had thought this because I had thought I had found someone that I could have had that with.......moments later he shattered my heart and soul.Sorry not feeling the love today.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    I just had to come back and read it again. It was that good.No words....

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Hugs friend girl, and thanks for the goosebumps !

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    I hope the person that is intended for reads it, and gets it.I only wish I had the poise to convey it as well as you have...and to make him understand...good luck :)

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Quoting 'deepbluesumthing'I just had to come back and read it again. It was that good. No words.... Well, fellow forumites, if we are to help this woman we have to keep this post going. So, keep posting and keep this beautiful letter on top of other posts. Whatever your take on love, relationships, sex or whatever may be, I think this is one of the most beautiful love letters I have ever read.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Quoting 'MsFrisky' A wise man wrote to me once,   "That the only love worth possessing is free of any possession and the truth is, that love is generally conditioned by a expiration date".   I totally disagree with your wise man (my humble point of view). What this woman is saying is, and I quote is; "Love is one particular concept that does not have a specific correspondence with any empirical reality." Meaning that your personal empirical reality does not correspond with her empirical reality or anybody else's. She is not phylosophical about her own empirical reality, she's just talking to her lover in a very realistic and raw way, with which many of us can relate to. After reading this letter I consider that to generalise will be such an injustice to this beautiful letter.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    What she, the Op wrote is indeed beautiful , but sadly some loves are not meant to be... The wise man was Rainer Maria Rilke ....and true love is... Letting go

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    When I read this. After an indescribable heart break and discovering the truth of my own fears and stupidity, I learnt that love is the only thing of any real value in this world. All sorts of love. I wish you love OP, in whatever form it comes xxx

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    this is still an ongoing story...I hope so xR

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Quoting 'MsFrisky'The wise man was Rainer Maria Rilke ....and true love is... Letting go So he was, but what you seem to fail in understanding is that our own individual expression of feelings does not have a specific correspondence with any empirical reality. I am not trying to be condenscending, and I respect your opinion but Rike????? His poems explore the Christian search for God and the nature of prayer. They are rich in symbolism of angels and salvation........ I agree that Rilke is frequently quoted or referenced in television programs, but this particular quote (sans your little twist on it) is related to free will and not love as a particular concept. Furthermore he often used in his works metaphors, metonymy and contradictions. Why (I am asking)should one feel, behave , seek the truth or love in a way which should fit a particular conceptual paradigm dictated by some individual? Anyway...........I could get myself in some trouble here , so I'll shut up.

  • BrightBubbly

    BrightBubbly

    13 years ago

    My love has gone and will never return.It is a long and complicated story and needs a whole night and copious amounts of alcohol before it can be shared !!!He did teach me what it was like to feel sexy again, to know what it was like to be loved unconditionally. All of those things that my ex use to find annoying he thought was endearing. He made me feel strong and invincible after my marriage left me less than whole. He showed me a side of my own sexuality that I never EVER knew existed. I know now what I want and need from a man and what sort of relationship I want. He gave me that.He broke my heart but in doing that he gave me something else, something I can't quite put into words and something I don't think I could have learned without that time with him.I hold onto the hope that one day, when the time is right (which isn't yet !!!), another wonderful man will find his way into my life again - until then, there is RHP !!!

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    That I offended you so much for viewing the situation differently and for having a altered opinion. I thought that's what forums were for, discussion, debate, not attacking. I was wrong. What would I know ? Just a admirer of Rilke who was much more than what you state. Sorry I posted. Good to see that tolerance is alive and well To the OP, I hope you find exactly what you need from your posting and closure if that is what you seek.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    go that far'MsFrisky'. It was just an innocent literal debate related to the message OP was trying to convey, and your direction with Rilke. No harm intended, and definitely not an attack intended to you or your likes (in fact I sated that). Chin up girl - no one can make a victim out of you, unless you want to be one.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Isn't it funny what we Learn from our lovers, for me falling for someone has shown me what I want too. Not so much the specifics but that I realise I was feeling numb before and that I now know that having that emotional attachment makes me feel alive as well as a bit anxious but that I want it in my life... Anyway... Bump :-)

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Gawd....... everyone is so romantic and blubbering like little girls. FFS. Nastalgic_Girl, go over to his/her house and knock on the door and don't leave until they answer it. What have you got to loose? So they may say no... but it's better to try. I think seeing someone face to face and discussing this is so much better than the phone, or emails, and I am sure that they owe you at least one conversation. Go on.........go now.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Love it Meeka! It's exactly what I would do, that last conversation needs to take place!- Posted from rhpmobile

  • captainkaos

    captainkaos

    13 years ago

    especially to Nostalgic_girl and Beneath blueeys.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    An OP asked "How do you like it in bed?" - and no it wasn't about sex, it was just an innocent question about peoples mundane sleeping habits. My thoughts drifted to what comfort is, and it traced back to you.I wanted to answer, but not to the OP, to "YOU". I didn't wanted to highjack her post. I am not sleeping in the middle anymore, but on my "side". "YOU"showed me what a wonderful experience sharing a bed could be, and all I have left is an emptiness beside me where you used to lie. It was not easy for me to let you get this close - naked face, morning breath, crusty eyes and a bedhead to boot. But somehow, navigating your body came naturally. Finding that perfect spot on your chest to bury my face into, the sense of security when you had your arms around me...... I used to look for "YOU" between the sheets, our bodies were like puzzle pieces, fitting perfectly together. Ehhhh, my body radiating heat, and keeping you from falling asleep......... I changed the bed, but not your pillow. I look at it sometimes, and I can almost see your face, I can alsmost see your bright smile and your cute dimples. "Your" pillow is soaked with little happy memories; the way you took my hand and held it close to your chest. Or the way your arms wrapped around me, holding my world together. It seems like not so long ago when you kissed me goodnight, and everything was right in the world.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    speachless - keep writing (if it makes you feel better) this new installment is as beautiful as the 1st. hope you are reading what the women said (above)

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    I've been there. I'm afraid sometimes the other party doesn't let you have a final conversation, and another outlet for closure is needed. It seems to me that nostalgic girl is doing what she needs to do.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Quoting 'Meeka100' Gawd....... everyone is so romantic and blubbering like little girls. FFS. Nastalgic_Girl, go over to his/her house and knock on the door and don't leave until they answer it. What have you got to loose? So they may say no... but it's better to try. I think seeing someone face to face and discussing this is so much better than the phone, or emails, and I am sure that they owe you at least one conversation. Go on.........go now. You are a very brave woman. I would have probably done that, and humiliate myself to the point of no return. But it seems as if by "talking" to her lover (this way), Nostalgic has found her "outlet". I will keep reading this with much interest. I sometimes wonder though, if everyone (or most of us) are secretly looking for Love !?!

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    ... about how a heart was broken. But what really breaks a heart, is the loss of the dream. Whatever that dream may have been.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    This is wonderful, and I love seeing another younger woman on here with a vocabulary and a head on her shoulders.I really hope you can find him!xxx

  • On_Safari

    On_Safari

    13 years ago

    We walked shoulder to shoulder together for but a brief period of time and yet I feel that the most real home I'll ever have is the space where our roads merged and travelled along together... it was most likely all in my romantic dreaming head but there were times, a whispered word, a smile, a look, a touch, holding my hand in yours, laying quietly with your arms wrapped around me tightly or when you'd rub your cheek against mine and closing my eyes I would breathe the very essence of you in and wish that I could hold you there like this for eternity. You once asked why I held on so tightly, it's because I need this hole gone.   I hope HE reconsiders, life is a long road to deny yourself that which makes you whole....

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    i don't think i can say anything else but wow, thats such a touch story, and to hear it from someone similarly aged to myself, i can respect it more! i hope the day comes where i feel this way about someone, sooner rather than later...Well Done nostalgic_girl well done

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Im in awe of your self expression,, dont ever stop doing so.as for the case of the lost love,,,some things will be and some may not ,but your spiritual growth will always be there and if its not him there is one lucky man to come

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    So many endless nights thinking to myself what if I had done things different. The sad truth is I gave it everything I had, even when you shut me down I still tried and tried to show my love for you but still you never returned. I try to hold that dream alive that maybe just maybe you will return some day and everything will be perfect but then reality kicks in and I realise that everything I once trusted is gone. You were my rose garden xxx

  • Hanna_ybbn

    Hanna_ybbn

    13 years ago

    Whatever the outcome is, like many others have indicated - you should be proud and hold your head high.Hanna xx

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    for sharing your emotion in such a beautiful letter. I hope 'HE' responds.Remembering his touch, smell, kiss, of being together, eyes, his voice, those spoken and unspoken words, the 'all'.Yes I know to well.Good luck and I wish you well.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    Sometimes people come into your life, teach you a lot, force you to see who your are & accept it & they leave you in heartbreak. The good news is that once the grieving is done you can face the world as the new you, knowing who you are & what you want. The apprentice becomes the master. Hopefully in time you can appreciate the time spent together (well that's my aim & think I'm getting there!). Bright bubbly I'm hearing you xx. Nostalgic girl thank you for expressing & sharing your thoughts so beautifully. I hope you find the strength to live as the new found amazing you xx

  • RHP

    RHP User

    13 years ago

    I am terrible in expressing my emotions, I can only wish I had just half of the poetic prowess nostalgic_girl has jotted down seemingly effortless... Havent we all loved and lost at some point in our lives? I have just as well and I still think about her so often, but some things just aren't meant to be. But my hope is still alive that I may find someone once again...- Posted from rhpmobile

  • RHP

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    12 years ago

    I think your writings resonate with something in us all but some of us aren't as fearless as you to put it out there. Thank you for writing something I could not. May he come to you with open heart....x- Posted from rhpmobile

  • BrightBubbly

    BrightBubbly

    12 years ago

    Quoting 'I_N_D_A_G_I_N_E' We walked shoulder to shoulder together for but a brief period of time and yet I feel that the most real home I'll ever have is the space where our roads merged and travelled along together... it was most likely all in my romantic dreaming head but there were times, a whispered word, a smile, a look, a touch, holding my hand in yours, laying quietly with your arms wrapped around me tightly or when you'd rub your cheek against mine and closing my eyes I would breathe the very essence of you in and wish that I could hold you there like this for eternity. You once asked why I held on so tightly, it's because I need this hole gone.   I hope HE reconsiders, life is a long road to deny yourself that which makes you whole....  This made me cry...

  • RHP

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    12 years ago

    I hope your heart isn't too broken or breaking. However beautiful your letter is, (and it brought a year to my eye) I don't think men work the same way. I don't think men have the emotive capabilities that we women want them to have. If the letter was for a woman, you'd have her back in a heart beat. But stupid men scarcely read so what hope do you have of him wanting to read this or even texts? I'm sorry this happened to you and I hope writing this makes a world of difference to you. Because really you just got rejected. So join the club. - Posted from rhpmobile

  • RHP

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    12 years ago

    I wish I had said to YOU..HOW you made the sunset glow...even though it was hidden behind the clouds...THAT when I heard the rustle of your skirt as you walked along the porch, my heart would sway with each step of yours..WHEN I saw the pain in your eyes as you fought that final battle, how I wished I could lever that pain out of you and carry it away on my shoulders...so that you could be finally at peace..THAT when I held you in my arms, your frail body so light...HOW scared I was that you would break if I let you go..THAT even though all your beautiful hair was gone, I saw you as being even more beautiful than you ever were..THAT as I carried you in my arms...feeling your thin arms wrapped around my neck and your small, frail body folded into my chest...HOW I yearned for all those minutes, hours, days, weeks and months that we had been apart...to have them back..HOW I wished that I had courage to swallow my pride and ring you and tell you that I loved you...many times I could have...yet did notbut I didn't do any of those thingsI hope that you look after that piece of my heart you took with you...and while each day signals an extra day that you have been gone...it still feels like yesterday that we held hands and laughed together as we walked and talked*no icon for tears-in-my-eyes*

  • Hanna_ybbn

    Hanna_ybbn

    12 years ago

    Just wow....

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    have tears in my eyes too.........you loved her very much , thats why she is watching over you xoxo

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I enjoyed reading this, so many comments and from both sexes. We all at some point in our lives want to be loved and we allow our fear to hold us back. I just want to say to you please whatever happens don't loose your ability to love yourself first before another and keep on loving the way you expressed in your letter. As we move though life we allow ourselves to be hurt but I believe we need to remember to forgive and be thankful for the lesson learned from our experience. I felt such love and compassion in your letter big cyber kiss and hug..... you are an amazing women and have your whole life ahead of you, you will achieve so much.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I hope it worked for you :).