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Whats your take on the Matty Johns saga?
May 14 2009
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playfulminx
17 years ago
I suspect that what she was once OK with and even proud of has now become an issue in her life. Perhaps she now has a partner/fiance who frowns on such activities and she feels she has to make herself out to be a victim to remove the 'slut' tag. I don't know if what happened in 2002 made the news and she was named etc, but maybe as she's now older she doesn't like being remembered as the tart who did a rugby team and feels she needs to set the supposed record straight... Sad... As long as everything done was consensual and respectful, Matty Johns has nothing to be apologetic about.
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RHP User
17 years ago
I find it interesting to hear the number of social commentators/journalists/experts who see group sex as being such an imoral act. They really need to get out more. If the latest media reports to come out, which say the woman in question actually bragged about the incident for a few days before changing her story and going to the police, if they are true then she really has a case to answer to for dragging this all out again 7 years later. It is very difficult for us to comment or judge without knowing all the facts.
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twowithnolimits
17 years ago
what a crock.... when was the last time the fact that you have had multiple sex partners got you sacked and set upon by the masses who dont even know you? It was years ago, he did what 100,000s of australians have done, now somebody wants to have second thoughts and others think they have some right to dictate his life over it,....
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RHP User
17 years ago
well it would seam as of the media tonite that she was a willing particpant in the event. As alot of star struck girls are in this world of high profile sports people. i dont agree with the event myself in the culture of the sporting industry. the money they make and that the world puts them on a pedastil it all goes to there head " god complex if you like" it happens to a lot of these people.. i think as well as training these people to do there best on the field it should aslo be a part of there training to be the best they can be in the street, as we all have too. personally if there is anyone in the media sports industry that should be baned from tv and ostrisised in the world today is Sam Newman of the footy show he is the most racist chovinist pig on the media anywhere. yet channel nin continues to allow the idiot to stay there. well that my wrap and opinion
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RHP User
17 years ago
Honestly why would any woman on her own go back to a motel room with a bunch of blokes even if one..Does the coment you want to come back to my motel room mean coffee when there is cafes for that? I think these women should stop drinking to the point hey fine with it one min then there not.. I feel sorrt for Matty Jones and others in a way .. Because it makes you think is this a publicity stunt.Of course not for the ones who accused.. You see these women crying and carrying on but fuck we all now how easy is for us women to put the tears on hahaha.... But hey how do we really know what went on in that room.... We don't we where not there .. I know i will get flack over my comments and being a woman taking the males side.. Maybe thats because if a gut says come back to my motel room i won't be going back for a coffee thats for sure.. I reakon leave the guy!!!! TIT
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RHP User
17 years ago
What I find ridiculous is the demand by news media groups that the other guys involved own up. Why? They've never been charged with any offence, and group sex is not illegal in either NZ or OZ. Given that scenario, it was a personal moral choice on their part to be involved, and nobody elses business. Even more so now that an independant third party has come out and said that the girl in question boasted about it shortly after it happened. Seems to be a big case of 'buyers remorse' on the part of the girl who did the gangbang. The sad truth is that most mainstream media here is owned and/or run by people who are 50+ who are the generation prior to the one that got actively involved in swinging/group sex. Most of them would be gobsmacked if they knew how many of their daughters and sons had been in group situations at Uni or afterwards.
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RHP User
17 years ago
Guess shes waited to take him and the others to the cleaners now there all wealthy men. If there quilty..who gives a shite. Cheating on your partner is cheating ...why should they be any different. Paybacks a bitch!! Grav n Leelee
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RHP User
17 years ago
There is a petition on Facebook in support of Matty As far as i can see the only apology he ever needed to make was to his Wife, and he did that a long time ago! The 4 Corners journalists/producers have a lot to answer for, with this sort of gutter trash, reporting. As for the Holier than thou Self righteous Politicians who are trying to score browny points off the back of this....Shame on you.
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RHP User
17 years ago
where i grew up, this sort of thing didnt happen, hell, divorce didnt happen, then i got into the shenanigans on this site and others, and my eyes have been opened, more power to matty johns, 7 years is b.s. and he shouldnt of gotten fired, he is one of the main reasons I watch the footy show
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RHP User
17 years ago
He was a high profile football player.What he did came back to bite him,end of story.You become a high profile person,every one tries to bring you down. Most football players think they are above the law,they need to wake up to them selfs.
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RHP User
17 years ago
I suspected from the first that I saw of this that she was looking to squeeze Johns, presumably for cash, e.g. "if you don't pay me off, I'll go to the media and make your life hell". He wouldn't pay up, so she splashed the story and our pathetic media have been milking it for all they can. When her former workmates came out with their stories that she'd been proud of her little gangbang I wasn't even slightly surprised. As someone else pointed out, what girl with an even half-working brain goes to a hotel room with a bunch of pissed footy players (or any sports "stars", come to that) without expecting or intending to have sex with AT LEAST 1 of them? You could have put a monkey in the room and some of them would have tried to root it, they're football players ffs. Personally I hope Johns sues the arse off her, and possibly the ABC and Four Corners. The matter was investigated at the time by the NZ police and insufficient evidence was found to justify charges being laid - no doubt they spoke to her workmates and realised what was going on. Her (and the media) bringing it up years later just reeks of defamation imo.
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RHP User
17 years ago
What about this so called females work friend stating how she came to work bragging her night........seems she forgot o cross her T's and dot her i's very well... As the saying goes every dog has its day hers just bounced back and bite the bitch TIT
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RHP User
17 years ago
I normally don't take sides in media -based hype like this because it is generally biased. On the radio I heard a former work colleague of the girl say that the "victim" was bragging about the sex at the time. If that is true then the only victims here are the true victims of sexual assault and rape; as publicity stunts such as this make the genuine victims even more reluctant to come forward. If this turns out to be a publicity stunt, then I would like to see all of the womens' support groups come out and condemn such false statements as they are extremely damaging and demeaning toward the real victims.
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RHP User
17 years ago
I would agree Matty certainly owes his wife an apology which he gave. It is disturbing the trend of trial by media in aussie, where Matty seemed be judged on sound bites not any facts. At the end of the day the police investigated the matter and no charges were laid. Given the public information consists largely of she said / he said – what really happened? And after all 7 years ago...... ffs And like Max Mosley case, (the president of the FAI who sued and won against a newspaper for publishing photo's of a private sex session), what business is it of the media to intrude into someone's private life like that? When that private life issue has nothing to do with their public duties as a TV person? Having said all that it is easier for the media to dig up this stuff then investigate and analyse any real issues like the state of the economy and apply the torch to the blandness of both Rudd and Turnball.
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twowithnolimits
17 years ago
moralistic politicians (and we all know how many of them are jailed, and at our parties..) moralsitic feminists who equate equality with all women agreeing with them capitalistic women who routinely sell there story for mega $$$ to all and sundry when all it really is, is the same as millions have done ..a 3 some, a GB, a mile high fuck,...how come i dont see Mrs Smith at #15 telling chanell 9 she fucked a bloke in the toilet on that qantas flight back in 1985?? capitalistic media, with its manipulative onslaught on the masses eager for any excuse of 30 seconds of no real substance, as long as the media guys get there mega $$$ for adevrtising spots and ratings when will australians say enough!! pack up the mcuk raking the sensationalism and get back to proper reporting and stop trying to "pretend" to be the morals police when we all know it is simply about the $$$$$!!
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RHP User
17 years ago
I think he has been hard done by which is a real shame, considering it was consentual. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the woman in question was on the cover of FHM next month - now that would really *&^* me off.
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RHP User
17 years ago
firstly i dont think any of us is entitled to sit in judgement of either party ...... Secondly other than $ what could her sudden motive be 7 years later to tell the world ? sure the abc is "not supposed" to or "doesn't" (sic sic) pay money, however a magazine deal is surely on the cards ! Amazing how only half the story was reported and the 'defence' case and witnesses are slowly uncovered, makes you wonder who did the research for the ABC, another good use of our hard earned tax dollars - not !
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Loveknot
17 years ago
Lets face it people even though we are in the new millennium we as women are still ruled by the age old patriarchal society that controls the world, sure women have made leaps and bounds to be recognised as equal but still we live in a misogynistic culture. Did any of you watch four corners? There was another girl on their saying that she too had a similar experience with NRL football players, but decided not to try to stand up for her rights as if she did she would be taking on the player, his club and the whole NRL. Wise decision id say, because despite what we all think the “she was wearing a mini skirt” i.e. the woman would have to prove she wasn’t a “slut” and therefore invited the unwanted attention, still reigns supreme in our culture. I ask you this, how many of you girls out there over you life time have found your self in a position, particularly when younger and less wise, that you looked back on and wished you had the words and or strength at the time to stop what was happening? I personally can think of a few situations where id didn’t like what was happening but couldn’t find a way out, so waited till it was over and learnt a lesson. This girl was 19, probably a bit star struck and naive, who had the power in this situation? 8/10 guys or one naked woman? Matty Johns knew it was wrong and hence “stepped away” leaving her at the mercy of the rest of the players. Perhaps she “consented” to go to the room with the 2 players, but does that mean she “consented” to a gang bang? I think not, consent means to give approval. Just because she didn’t say no does that mean she said yes to the gangbang? Does anyone think that she feels good about what happened? Her life has been ruined and now she is being dragged through a media nightmare because she was brave enough at last to come forward publicly and state the toll this event has taken on her life. Just because no charges were laid does that mean what happened was ok? Last but not least I think she should be applauded for coming forward because now the players are being forced through education programs to face their own misogynistic views on women. xx
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RHP User
17 years ago
subterfuge - you said: "Does anyone think that she feels good about what happened?" Well, yes, actually. She did brag about it, after all - and not years afterwards before her comments had lost any credibility, either. An inconvenient truth perhaps? You also said: "now the players are being forced through education programs to face their own misogynistic views on women" Should we also consider forcing certain groups of women through education programs to face their own misanthropic views on men? Or would that be inconvenient too?
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RHP User
17 years ago
like so many things in life, this was a decision made by all concerned in the heat of the moment. both her or them. the issues we see today is either from regrets, guilt , self respect issues, shame or seeking justice. Some would even say greed.which is yet to be seen. take one side or the other. we will never know the truth untill more people come forward. there was alot more people involved than just Matty and the girl, my issue is, Why has no one else come forward in support of either of them? If she was into it at the time and regretted it later, pity for Matty and his family for what they have been put through, if it is as she says, pity for them both. As they have both been deserted by the whole group. if it was consensual on all parts, and regrets, shame and guilt have come into hitting the news, i pity them all. as all are responsible and why should only 2 people wear the brunt, and judgement of it all? if it wasn't consensual my heart goes out to them all still. at least whatever the truth, Matt should be admired for not sitting back and saying "it wasn't me". he has stood up and been held accountable, by everyone! like all his hits on the field, he is taking what has been sent his way in a manly manner, right or wrong. More people in todays society should take a leaf out of his book with the way he has handled himself in the aftermath of it. pity he has not been shown the support of his team mates off the field as on it. why haven't any of them come forward and said " matty's right, it was consensual" or "yes we did do this to her and as a group we will take the consequences" they are the gutless ones for sitting back doing nothing! stand up guys and either support matty in what he is saying, or come forward and cop your punishment as he has and pay your dues. judge either as you do, him or her, its why we have jury's. who has not made an error of judgement? its not a matter of the error of judgement at the time, its how you deal with it afterwards. we have all slept with someone and regretted it later in one form or another. is this any different? if they did force her THEY deserve what they get, but ALL of them not just one. all i ask in the end of this saga, is whoever is at fault, for this issue making the news the way it has, stand up and be accountable for your own actions and involvement, guilt or innocence, they will feel better in the end. when you point your fingers at someone else there is always 3 pointing back at yourself!
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RHP User
17 years ago
Quite frankly I don’t give a rats arse! It’s a storm in a tea cup and will disappear as quick as it came. The fact is no one other than the people involved will ever know the truth of what happen so why should the likes of the media and Joe public try and assume what happened, let alone try and judge someone! It’s done and dusted let’s get on with the real issues, like how the hell does someone my age get a zit on his chin and more importantly how the fuck do I get rid of it? DJ
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RHP User
17 years ago
they share one brain cell between 4 of them. so if you want to have sex with one of them you need to get his three mates along so you can be sure the brain cell is there and they will collectively get the idea of having sex with you. i don't see what all the bother is about. LRE (x rugby player)
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RHP User
17 years ago
Its an absolute disgrace what has happened to Matt...shes a pathetic, gutless bitch who bought it on herself and knew exactly what she was doing and bragged about it! Now its all about money and making herself feel better. I hope karma takes real good care of her for the pain and trauma she has caused. He was made a scapegoat for the whole NRL code. He cheated, so what??? Not like he killed anyone lol. She's pathetic and he deserves an apology and his career back!
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RHP User
17 years ago
There are a number of issues here. First, there is the almost inevitable discussion of morality that has surrounded this whole issue which frankly, I think, is a total red-herring. Some people in the community will obviously thing that group-sex is immoral, but so what. Some people think that sex for anything other than procreation is immoral. There is no morality issue. Second, there is the issue of consent. This woman consented, but what exactly did she consent to? The discussion around this seems to me to be very simplistic. I know women who like group sex. I know women who like being gangbanged. They like it. That’s what they want and that’s all they want: Just the gangbang. The woman involved in this particular affair was only 17 or 18 at the time. Sure, she appears to have consented to the gangbang, but I doubt if at that age she was someone who could say “Oh yes, I love being gangbanged”. She consented to the gangbang for some other reason, who knows what. Maybe she thought that she’d get one of these guys as a boyfriend. Who knows? And that’s my point, when she consented she had in her mind some idea – some fantasy, whatever – that she was consenting too. So what if she bragged about it afterwards. She was young and she’d just had sex with the team. She was naive. What’s more, the people she bragged to where just as young and naive as her. Whatever she thought was going to happen afterwards never eventuated. Instead she got cast as some sort of slut by her “friends”. This is what I think has affected her the most. Instead of judging this woman, someone – a real friend - should have sat her down and asked her what she thought was going to happen. Then tell her that she was young and naive, that she made a mistake and, while it’s OK to regret what happened, she has to learn from it and move on. People that age don’t really know what they want, which is basically why I don’t have sex with anyone that young. I have sex with people my own age because they basically have their shit together (usually).
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RHP User
17 years ago
This scenario makes me ask the following questions. 1. WHY did she go to a hotel with a guy she just met at a bar in the first place/ 2. WHY (when others arrived as she stated) did she not LEAVE the room immediately? 3. WHY did it take about a week for her to go to the police? In fact as she has not accused anyone of rape why did she report it in the first place? 4. WHY did she then wait all these years and go to the media? There is no police evidence to support her claim so what did she hope to gain $$$$$$$ Lastly, although not a question as such it makes me doubt her motives when she has seemed to have waited all these years until Matt Johns does become a name and has made a few quid. Did she try and approach him for hush money first and then when turned down decide to "pay him back" by heading to the media?? I'm sorry, but I'm very open minded, however there are just too many holes in this chicks story to be true.
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RHP User
17 years ago
as reported in the west australian last week the extra players gained entry to the room by climbing through the bathroom window and unlocked the door.Most women on this site who go to gangbangs have a partner to look out for them and make sure things dont get out of hand unfortunatelythe only person to look out for her was a coward and left the room.Why couldnt he tell his mates to leave the room?Was it they expected to all have a go? Two things concern me, 1 was the way they gianed entry, 2- johns left the room when it got out of hand. For that he should be ashamed!
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RHP User
17 years ago
Hi hellsbells, dont want to be rude but just point out that the window issue is one of the inconsistencies. The hotel owner was interviewed by the police and the media and he said there was no way you can gain entry through the bathroom window. When you think about it further who would design and build a motel/hotel that wasnt secure, can you imagine the rate of theft if anyone could get in through the windows. The most likely scenario was they used the roommates key for entry in, they were in shared rooms (2 per room) standard NRl, ARL practice. Hmmmmmmmm just as an aside, i wonder what all the journos and papers would have written over the past 2 weeks without the Johns story. cheers
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RHP User
17 years ago
In that case then, it makes it even more despicable. What were they doing with keys? and why weren't they sent packing when they did enter the room. Johns should never of left the room and even if she did initially consent, when it got out of hand, who was there to step in and say "enough".
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RHP User
17 years ago
I couldn't help but want to give my perspective on this particular issue... Most people seem to be condemning this girl for ruining the career of their favourite footy show presenter. Lets me put forward a few things that might change the placement of anger... It was the 4 corners show that approached this woman, not the other way around. 4 corners does not pay for stories like ACA or Sixty minutes. It seems that the other media has taken the ball and run with it to crucify Matthew Johns. It's his popularity that got the story in the headlines not the event. Now this girl... She is human... she's somebody's sister, daughter, friend.... maybe went out with the aim to bed a footyplayer (what woman hasn't dreamt of that!) or 2 or more... got more than she anticipated (probably!?) ....it would be hard to say "no I think I have had enough now thanks, I think I'll get going" to 11 eager men she didn't know. Now it's easiest to be boastful about something you think others might judge you harshly on to try to justify your actions, but that can often be a mask for some great shame and self loathing. which obviously for this girl, came out at a later time. I don't know about you, but I did some things when I was nineteen without foresight or experience that I still cringe about to this day that I did just because I wanted to be wanted. This could have been the case for this girl too. I don't think the football players were there to hurt this girl. I don't think they thought too hard about this girl at all. (did any of them make sure she came??) But perhaps if they all thought what they did was ok they would all be putting there hands up saying so. With the benefit of hindsight and maturity, I don't think any of the persons involved would repeat that night. It's a shame that the media has hung Matty Johns the way it has. Unfortunately the media doesn't allow our stars flaws or mistakes. They have to stay shiny and perfect. Matthew seemed to own his mistake and appeared genuinely remorseful about the whole event, I though he was deserving of forgiveness. I hope Matthew and the woman both get some dignity back into their worlds and grow bigger than this whole fiasco. I hope both girls and guys have had a chance to look at this event and have a bit more insight into what might be the fall out from being on either side of this sort of encounter and go forth all a little more aware and with more respect for them selves and others. AAAAh shut up Nanna!! bye
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RHP User
17 years ago
When somebody wants to be famous they do not ask to have their face and voice masked. This should lead us to think about what she must be feeling now. Anyway this is just one incident; there must be thousands. I can't believe there are women here who are asking "Why didn't she just leave then" and similar questions. Obviously you have never been a victim of such a crime. I have neither but I take time to try to understand things other than what is presented me by the media. Come on people, the media is controlled by seriously wealthy people and corporations. Their bottom line depends on us spending money where they lead us. Wake up and smell the subliminal messages. Now aside from this scapegoat Johns, we need to look at the issue in general. Let's not throw away our illusions of democracy by thinking that passing judgement and debating ONE case means we have contributed to making a better world. Women are being gang RAPED! Fuck this "gang bang" term that the media is ramming down our throats. Seriously, the media IS perpetuating the patriarchal society with THAT little gem. In my opinion, if a persons' contribution to society is to (not even read the paper) but watch telly and make a peer-supported judgement on ONE incident, that has been thrown to the masses to tear apart like meat, I think I'd rather there was no news at all. I would feel much safer knowing that people could then begin to think for themselves without corporate influence.
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RHP User
17 years ago
I really feel sorry for matty, the girl knew what she was getting herself into and im sure she loved every minute of it then to come years later and complain about it... they should charge her....
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RHP User
17 years ago
this comes down to media manipulation, making everyone think the situation is worse than it really is. what matty johns did is considered 'normal' amongst most men, at one stage in their life - and even women some women. the lady who participated in the act consented at the time then later on changed her stance as she felt different. why she decided to bring up the issue again, publicly, must be because of devious intentions. what happened was not illegal, however would be frowned upon by the regular views of channel 9 and the footy show. the media manipulated the case - with skewed facts, even after the case was put to rest.. unfortunately in the public eye, everyone is treated and expected to be total faithful citizens with no (majorly) wrong intentions. if you do something exceedingly wrong then then you are judged and sentenced, often unfairly. thats exactly what happened with matthew johns, he has paid the price twice for one night of unfaithfulness and has also detroyed his future career in the public eye. we can all draw our own conclusions to the lady who has raised this incident publicly again. she was 17, young, impressionable, and wanted to muck around with a team of footy players.. if you think this is what you wanna do - group sex with a load of boozy brawny men- dont expect it to be a particularly special / respectful moment when you look back on it.
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RHP User
17 years ago
It was a total misunderstanding due to the kiwi accent when she said i want sex it came out as I want six...
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