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Zorba the Buddha - Reconciling Sexuality and Spirituality
February 17 2014
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gazpacho
12 years ago
I think the one deity gig really fucked up the free sex pagan movement big time. A few thousand years of persecution and repression takes it's toll on the wild child left in me. Imagine going about your business for generations and out of the blue, literally, comes sword flailing, gun toting, cannon blasting head bangers dictating a law that says you just can't go around nude and rooting at relative liberty.... And if you do, someone's going to whip you raw for an eternity. Ok, perhaps in the context that might not sound so bad to some, but, you know, it takes a mature mind to push through all the brainwashing. I feel like one of the animals on the Isle of Dr Moreau. Hugs Gazpacho
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MsSuperFoxy
12 years ago
NO - I don't think my up-bring has nothing really do with about my sexual expression or development. I've discovered it all by myself over the last few years. To be honest and all fair, it's been my lovers, that have helped with my sexual expression and development. They have taught me to embrace myself and put my spiritual energies into making love, not just having sex. It's that chemical reaction. I believe my spiritual expression has come within, to believe in myself first before anything or anyone. I also believe, your body is your temple and it must be looked after. I also believe that spiritual connection can be a good thing and bad thing, that drive of Passion. If it's lost that can hurt like buggery. I'm on a journey to find my spiritual inner expression/development. I'm enjoying this path so far. FOXY Great Topic OP :)
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RHP User
12 years ago
I went to a Catholic School from 6 to 18 years of age. We were taught evolution and we had sex education classes, and I don't remember anyone teaching us that we should wait for marriage before having sex. Or maybe that is my selective memory. Our teachings were that all the miracles, and adam and eve, etc were symbolic stories to explain God's message. My family was not particularly religious at all but my parents were quite conservative and strangely enough both my sisters are too. I don't think I could really tell them the shenanigans I get up to. When I grew up there was definitely a stigma attached to "bad" girls, and I guess everyone's expectation was that you would grow up, fool around a little, get married and have kids. But I have to be honest....... I look at my friends and their husbands, and their kids, and their wonderful homes and think........... "thank fuck that isn't me" I don't know why but I just see it as boring, it is only since I have joined RHP and read about polyamoury relationships, open relationships, and all the different ways people can be happy which has made me realise that we all don't have to follow the same formula. It's a shame that my family probably think I am a 40 year old virgin though.
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RHP User
12 years ago
It is interesting as I often feel as something is holding me back and I can't fully enjoy the moment. I go to a swingers club or orgy and most of the time I watch....... because good girls don't just fuck around. I don't really know if this is because of the "brain washing" of my youth or whether just bonking lots of randoms is just not my style and never will be. I do have friends who don't appear to have these sexual boundaries or constraights, I feel that they can be totally uninhibited and free in group situations...... and I so want to be like that. I love being with them as I see them as being totally free, where as I don't feel that I am. Hard to explain I guess. I know that one chickee baby that I have gone to parties and clubs with, she will know who she is, often tells me stop being that good Catholic Girl. I see women at orgies, some that enjoy being gang banged and they come and come until they literally can not stand without assistance. I want to know........ how did they get to that point? How is it that they are so free? I really really want to know.
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RHP User
12 years ago
That is suppose to say Chickee babe. Not baby.
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smo669
12 years ago
Unrushed, you will surely burn in sulphur for eternity for your heretic view!... I suffered a catholic schooling for my primary years, watching kids get caned not for missing church, but lying about attending! Go figure! The Catholic Church has a multitude of sins to answer for (let's not start on the well documented cases of sexual abuse of kids here) but the dose of the guilts that they inflict on so many people is unforgivable. Many of my posts are deliberately flippant and intended to stir the pot a little.... But I have an abiding dislike and distaste fir the crap espoused by the men in frocks who inhabit the darker regions of Catholicism
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Paradisepair
12 years ago
I was raised by parents who had been damaged by religion. As I child I was encouraged to find my own path. Sex can be extremely spiritual for me, sometimes.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I was baptised, but never went to church except for funerals and weddings. Then in my teens my mum became a religious nutcase. She singlehandedly put me off religion, she was so fanatical that I didn't speak to her for almost 10 years (long story). I believe in God but I can't bring myself to do the every Sunday church thing, I feel like my current sexual life style is at such odds with the church that I would feel guilty just being there. I would feel like a hypocrite, so I avoid them if possible. Coincidentally, I had to work 3 nights at a church recently and I felt a change within myself, no divine light or anything crazy but a noticeable difference. A definite softening of the animus I felt toward religion in general. I read the bible yearly and I try to live my life in such a way that wouldn't contravene my interpretation of the bibles teachings, but sadly my sexual side is at loggerheads with my spiritual side and I believe in my heart that the two can't co-exist.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100'I see women at orgies, some that enjoy being gang banged and they come and come until they literally can not stand without assistance. I want to know........ how did they get to that point? How is it that they are so free? I really really want to know. By choice, one choice after the other, like footsteps on the path to liberation. Some run headfirst into it, some take baby steps, but they've all made the conscious choices to let go of fear and doubt and submit to the moment and the feelings, and once you do, you can never go back :)
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RHP User
12 years ago
Bubba the hun said in no uncertain terms to the beautiful princess leah in star wars .? Blah blah blah i can see my cock blob blob stop laughing blob blah bah blah - Posted from rhpmobile
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gazpacho
12 years ago
Quoting 'CravingTouch' By choice, one choice after the other, like footsteps on the path to liberation. Some run headfirst into it, some take baby steps, but they've all made the conscious choices to let go of fear and doubt and submit to the moment and the feelings, and once you do, you can never go back :)Yep. Use the force! HugsGazpacho
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RHP User
12 years ago
It's confession time. I.... Am a Jedi, like my father before me. BigOcean, I thought that scene got left on the cutting room floor! I must have it! This has more topical relevance than you may have intended though. Monotheism presents divinity as a far removed big guy in the sky, willing to accept you if you accept him, but also to kick your ass hard if you misbehave! A father/child relationship. On the other hand, and for comparative value, Eastern mysticism sees divinity everywhere, and in everything. George Lucas hit the nail on the head here. Quoting Yoda: "Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship." Now apply both those cosmologies/world views to sex. See what I mean? The context is completely different. One is heavy and burdensome, one is quite magical.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I go to this orgy party every now and then, and there are three women there who like to be gang banged. And as far as I can see they don't turn anybody back.... What the guys looks like or who he is makes no difference to them. One woman in particular, sometimes doesn't stop for 3 hours! And a new guy jumps on and she again seems to be loving it and squirting every where. How come she can do that?? There are a few reasons why I would never be like that... I don't like being the centre of attention, that would be a nightmare for me to be lying on a bed with 30 men waiting their turn, I don't cum from bonking random men as a general rule. So I am happy to get into the spirit of things with my friends and maybe the people they pull into our circle... But I am not usually the instigator and without my main buddy/lover there I can actually get bored as well. I like to show off for him... That's fun. ;-)
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Plain280
12 years ago
I read the first bit and went oh no and read the second bit and went maybe, now I am not so sure, all I can say is that hindered quiet badly sexually (catholic) if you are wondering. Now a total non believer in all religions, spiritual beliefs what ever is espoused by a self professed guru come specialist not a sudden decision took about 20 years to get to this point. I believe in human kinds ability to be naturally generous and giving in a co-operative way. I mean how did we evolve, and lets face it sex and all its moral values are only thought about later admittedly in the last 5,000 years. I ll stop now good topic though.
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RHP User
12 years ago
She finds the act of sex arousing in and of itself. Simple. No value judgements, no fears of what other people think of her, no "meaning" tied to it. Just plain and simple pleasure for the sake of pleasure. I'd presume she's also finding the attention arousing and is enjoying being the centre of the pack. She also finds other people's pleasure arousing, so it doesn't matter WHO you are or what you look like, if you're enjoying her, she's enjoying you because of that. Might be worth exploring why you feel uncomfortable with other peoples attention on you. You may be surprised what you find in that headspace of yours. Same goes for why you don't enjoy sex with a stranger. I'm guessing you haven't fully separated sex as a physical act from emotions (or should I say a dirty word, relationships) with other people. Are you bothered by other people thinking negative things about you? My guess is that a woman like the one you described, isn't. She wants to illicit pleasure from others and cares only about people who give her the reaction she wants, disregards the rest as they are useless to her. Her ultimate goal is pleasure and enjoyment for herself and as many other people as possible. The ultimate hedonist.
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MsSuperFoxy
12 years ago
Seeing Hell does not exist, does that mean I will go to Heaven?? Foxy
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RHP User
12 years ago
Oh, dear you make me sound like a shy wall flower. I must have over played it above because I am not like that really. Quoting 'CravingTouch' She finds the act of sex arousing in and of itself. Simple. No value judgements, no fears of what other people think of her, no "meaning" tied to it. Just plain and simple pleasure for the sake of pleasure. I'd presume she's also finding the attention arousing and is enjoying being the centre of the pack. She also finds other people's pleasure arousing, so it doesn't matter WHO you are or what you look like, if you're enjoying her, she's enjoying you because of that. Well, gang bangs are her thing. Being surrounded by strange men turns her on. It does not turn me on. I am not interested in that sort of attention. I prefer group play where we all take turns being the centre of attention, and yes I have a much better time if I know all the players and have some sexual chemistry with each person, and where all the men are bi-sexual. That turns me on. Might be worth exploring why you feel uncomfortable with other peoples attention on you. You may be surprised what you find in that headspace of yours. Same goes for why you don't enjoy sex with a stranger. I'm guessing you haven't fully separated sex as a physical act from emotions (or should I say a dirty word, relationships) with other people. Hehe.... that is an absolute no, I don't have a emotional bonds with people I have sex with for the most part - well apart from friendship. Love to get all the friends together for dinner then go out to a sex party, it's a shame it is so hard to get everyone together at the one time. :( But yes, I have occasionally fallen for the odd lover or two, but as a general rule... no I can't say I get sex and emotions confused. I just don't enjoy sex with a stranger when there is no connection, when they don't have that naughty glint in their eye. Just bonking a good looking guy when there is no connection bores me. As for having people's attention on me, I may have mislead you there as well. Sometimes I love having people's attention on me... as in having them watch me. I have had lots of people watch me "perform". Actually the first time was when I was 25 and I was tied up and spanked in front of maybe 200 people. The attention of other people is neither here or there for me.... sometimes I feel cheeky so I will perform, other times I am not interested. What I mean by don't like the attention on me, is I don't want to be in a group where all the focus is on me the whole time. I want to watch the men play too, just because that really turns me on. Are you bothered by other people thinking negative things about you? My guess is that a woman like the one you described, isn't. She wants to illicit pleasure from others and cares only about people who give her the reaction she wants, disregards the rest as they are useless to her. Her ultimate goal is pleasure and enjoyment for herself and as many other people as possible. The ultimate hedonist. Nope, I couldn't care less what people at a club think of me.... I mean we are all there for the same thing. So no that is not the reason. I suspect what I mean by I feel like I am being held back is wildly different to what most people would mean by that. LMFAO
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RHP User
12 years ago
As Religion wasn’t a big factor in my upbringing, God was not called on, however I can see now that my parents have been influenced by moral upbringings. But then maybe not! My mum and dad grew up during World War 2 and as a German afterwards it must have been horrible. Mum had negative experiences with males, she only told us a little bit about one time as she had to beg for food and we all thought there is more to this story then she said in words, I don’t know was she assaulted or not. I did not get to the bottom of is. My dad was a typical male....he could do anything and his daughters had to stay virgins until the day they died, and the son got, a high 5, as a stud. In my upbringing religion wasn’t the negative factor, we had a Restaurant/pup and I saw lots of things happen, which as a 5 year old and growing up in this environment I didn’t understand. You saw things and the double standard your parents portrayed toward your sexuality as a teenager didn’t make sense. Religion was never a big thing in my family, we had no time to go to the Church, and Sundays was a big day work wise for us. Most of the guests have been men but at times we had more and more women at the bar too. This changed the dynamic sex wise, and again you saw lots of things, in the shadow what was not talked about but what was done. My mum was very sexy and I could see she played with the men so they drink more and stayed longer in the bar. I could see she played on the men desire to fuck her, what I didn’t analyse as a child, I only got this mixed messages. As a growing up child and then a young woman, you see and learn, and it confuses you very much. The punishment for being free was harsh....that’s why I can’t handle today when men want to slap my bottom during sex...lol. I get very angry should sex get rough. What confused me deeply were the judgmental stages about sex my parents went through when it was about us two girls. When boys came in the Restaurant for us, my father asks them to leave. As I got older my dad called me a whore and slapped me in the face in front of a very good looking young man....my world collapsed in front of me. I was label by my dad as a whore and was still a virgin. This hurt stayed with me for a long time. I couldn’t get why my parents portrait sexuality so open and punished us girls for it. I stayed a virgin until I met my husband, maybe the stigma to be a “whore” was so strong, and being told I was ugly. Did this influence my sexual freedom, oh yes very much! I was always shy of my body and my sexuality. I was lucky because I had a partner who guide me slowly and showed me what it is all about and how wonderful it was. Still I did not come out of my hiding as a very free sexual being until he passed away and I had to look at myself for the first time. Really look at me. The freedom it brought me in every way and being away so far from my family and home, brought me to this stage in my life. In my case, my Parents harsh treatment towards sex and sexuality screwed me up first, and then I saw the light. My body, my inner wild child, my love for sex and my love for the male is now free. I can see where my parents came from, and it saddens me we get influenced so deeply by shame....for some through religion for others through mixed messages. Religion doesn’t play a role in my life. I hope I am not too far off the mark with what you liked to hear. I am still not sure, why we are so ashamed of all this. Only through sex and being sexual we can reproduce. Maybe religion tried to contain our sexual energy and the only way to do this was through teaching us punishment when we die. Our human sexual energy is very strong and only our mind can keep it in line,J so to speak, the powers to be; came up with damnation, hellfire and what not. The only question still remains why for women more the men? Is it because women have a much bigger sexual appetite when let lose? Hmmmm. L
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'ShakaG' I believe in human kinds ability to be naturally generous and giving in a co-operative way. Doesn't have to get more complex than that!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'gazpacho51' A few thousand years of persecution and repression takes it's toll on the wild child left in me. Dude, I think you may have to review your profile and update your RHP age!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'smo669' Unrushed, you will surely burn in sulphur for eternity for your heretic view!... Ah, yes. The smell of sulphur! Keep away from naked flame! Smo, I'm with you in regards to "the dose of the guilts that they inflict on so many people is unforgivable". Therein lies the damage. I'm of the mindset "Do as you will, if it harms no one".
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Findingmemo' I had to work 3 nights at a church recently and I felt a change within myself, no divine light or anything crazy but a noticeable difference. A definite softening of the animus I felt toward religion in general. I read the bible yearly and I try to live my life in such a way that wouldn't contravene my interpretation of the bibles teachings, but sadly my sexual side is at loggerheads with my spiritual side and I believe in my heart that the two can't co-exist. Hey memo. Is Animus a Freudian/Jungian slip here? :-) Fitting nonetheless! Mate, a sacred place by its nature is filled with spiritual vibes and energy. For Christians it may be a church, for Indigenous Australians, it may be a significant part of the landscape. Good to hear your were getting a lift and recharge from it. I guess I started this thread in order to share how people have been affected by their spiritual views, good and bad, and how they may have overcome limiting beliefs. I have no easy answer for you there within the scope of the Christian perspective, apart from taking on board that the Christian faith and interpretation of the Bible is evolving to keep up with social pace, albeit slowly. An example might be found at ChristianNymphos dot org :-D The slavery trade amongst many other historical atrocities was justified with biblical interpretation. They no longer do that, even though it was argued that it is by the decree of the Bible's authority. Such historical examples have led me to take the Bible for its allegorical value rather than literal, and as an illustration of its prescribed values giving me the choice to pick and choose which I found applicable to my life and circumstance. I had a chat with my dear Nan when I was young and questioned why she didn't go to church when most people of her age group did. Her reply was something along the lines of she got its meaning, and lives by the golden rule "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and didn't need to go to church to reinforce this value. That stuck with me. For her, it was about ETHICS. Morals and dogma she did not find relevant to living a righteous life.
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RHP User
12 years ago
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RHP User
12 years ago
I am a pure aspiritual person with a drive that is based on pragmatic and a keep it simple principles. Spirituality is an impossible knowledge and by its very nature a quest for an understanding of unattainable meaning and purpose from nothing. I am but human and thus am forced into a metaphysical construct to function, to think, to enjoy life. Yet I am fully aware of its dangers. It is a place to trap you and close possibilities, for a belief is merely a metaphor and to hold it tightly limits you to its constructs. Constructs created not from knowing truth but imagining knowing truth, bound tightly to the rules of the metaphoric base. If I imaging something is like the wind and use it as the base construct of the metaphysical metaphor to delude my self into thinking I understand, I am limited to understand something within rules constructed from my limited understanding of the metaphor. Nothing is like the wind, not even the wind. If then something new should present I end up forcing it to fit the metaphor rather than drop the ill fitting metaphor. I have invested in knowing and am naturally inclined to the comfort of knowing. This is a huge mistake as nothing can be, like, or as. Thus I just am, I have no meaning, I have no purpose, there is no destiny, nor am I held by karma or luck, enlightenment does not exist, I can not be empty, nothing, or free. That is why I am blind because I think I can see. I know joy only in the immediacy of the moment, sex is that. It is reaction to stimuli, reinforcing via feedback the ability to gain pleasure. I do try very hard to ignore the boundaries that define me, to know that the narrative of being that I hear in the mind is but one of many that I share. I can at no time place ownership on my thoughts. Every moment sees a death, every moment sees a birth (see silly metaphors) Every moment is change, leaving an ongoing trace of what was. The only thing that is sure is now, the only thing that is, is everything, there is not boundary that exists that isolates me. So with sex I open my mind to let the narrative of what many call you enter so i can react and be as one for my (our) pleasure. This is the perfection of joy, to think as one, to move your hand as easily as mine with but the force of desire and flippancy of a whim. When you learn to let go of the concept of individuality and understand that you are far more than what ends at the boundary of skin, it becomes easy to recognize shared thoughts, easy to share impulse to action. easy to share joy. Many times they are not even aware that it is so, its so hard for most to drop the metaphor of individuality, uniqueness, bondings to identity. Why is this non spiritual spirituality mine, I don't know, it has always been there. I have never heard, read, seen, or felt anything that feels like truth. I always find exceptions that do not fit, I always have questions that can not be answered, I have always known that I can never know. I am so lucky to enjoy the now without constraint, I can just be.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Thanks for your posts everyone so far. I probably didn't think this through too well before posting the thread. Its not a light topic, and I didn't really premeditate what challenging some core values or beliefs may bring up for people. I should answer my own question to make a bit of an even playing field in terms of soul bearing. While most kids were going to Sunday School to learn about God and the world/universe that surrounded them and the universal powers that be, I was at home involved in séances and Ouiji boards, pondering the occult and the supernatural, psychic powers, clairvayonce, mediumship, life's greatest mysteries, the pyramids, Nostradaus, the afterlife, and the Abominable Snowman! That was the spiritual heritage I grew up in. But there was also a reverence for the Bible and Christianity. I have found it to be a familiar case with cultures that maintain their own folk superstitions, as well as accepting Christianity. My German Grandmother, one night during WWII, had her own mother over to visit, and when her mum was about to go home, she got a crazy feeling and begged her mum not to go back to her house. Her mum stayed simply because my Grandma was losing it, and sure enough, her mum's house got bombed that night and fell to the ground. I watched my Grandmother heal things with home made herbal concoctions, and the proof was in the pudding for me. I didn't question too much what was going on around me. When it came to spiritual influence upon my sexual development as a teen, I didn't really have any other sexual information or references to draw upon except for Christianity, and despite my exploration as a child involving doctors and nurses scenarios, as well as later MM exploration 'practicing for the girls', when it came down it with my first girlfriend in which we would have otherwise gone the distance, I pulled back hard and broke up with her afterward, thinking that I was about to cross a line in which there was no coming back from. There was guilt and shame, and a lot of apologising to do towards God, in having fallen into "that" trap. It sucked for me, and must have devastated a poor teenage girl who was willing to share her body and her soul with me. I checked in with her years later about that. She got over it, but still, I felt torn between a mindset dedicated toward God's prescriptions/requirements, and my own sense of loyalty towards someone who I was going to delve deeper with into the realms of humanity, and explore a deeper sense of sexual connection with. There is still regret there, mainly towards her. In many years following, I both maintained a reverence for Christianity, while still maintaining my sense of freedom towards personal/human development. Part 2 to come....
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RHP User
12 years ago
Slowly walks up to the confessional thinking of ANYTHING but what I possibly could have done to tell the priest because he KNOWS my parents and I sure as S**T am not going to tell him anything that may incriminate me...( I'm a kid so was nothing in real world time that was bad, if you don't count throwing my brother down a set of stairs...) so instead shall make up things about swearing,ummmmm I'm young so am not coming up with much....but still feel that train coming into purgatory station ready to take up young naughty souls to van DEMONS land.... You get my drift of upbringing??? In short OP IT did not hinder me...other crap did but I learnt not to burdem my off spring with such...ummmm..I'll stop here to keep this topic from going off kilter... ;)
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RHP User
12 years ago
I was raised with absolutely no religion or spirituality in my life. I asked Mum about it once as most of my friends went to church "Do you believe in God?" Mum answered in the affirmative but said if she wants to talk to God she can do it on the toilet, she didn't have to go to church to do so. That was that, I lost all interest after that. So I can't answer your question OP as it doesn't relate to me, but I wonder if having no spiritual or religious upbringing has affected my sexuality?
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RHP User
12 years ago
As a young adult, my interest in the metaphysical and spiritual grew, and I sought adventures in consciousness and mystical states. My main interest lie in the human energy field. After reading reading reading all I could on the matters, and exposing myself to many influences, both helpful and a hinderance, there came a time when I had to admit, that I was full and couldn't take any more in, and sought to put my ideas that had formulated into action through everyday living, which for me was about an interest in people and their place in the world. How they have integrated their life experience. I found my niche in terms of contribution to the world, and see that as my dharma, my spiritual work, though that is fluid and changes as I do. Sexually, I have had to defuse a lot of the religious influence and philosophy insinuating shame and guilt associated with not being 'pure', and have done a LOT of rational thinking and deconstruction of said philosophies in order to get my head above their influence, but still, that stuff runs deep. Its ongoing. The appeal of Tantric concepts is obvious to me, though, I have never wanted to learn this as a 'technique' or 'science', so just gain inspiration from it. My one book on it is Tantric Sex for Dummies. I figure Ill discover it in 1st person as I go LOL. If I had to describe myself spiritually, I'd class myself as an eclectic skeptic; eclectic being open to all sources and picking and choosing those that are appealing, suitable and practical; skeptic in the sense of questioning everything to find its value and application to me or the world. That is, not taking things on face value alone. A quote by the Buddha sums it up for me here. "Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'SuperFoxxxy' Seeing Hell does not exist, does that mean I will go to Heaven?? Foxy Again
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RHP User
12 years ago
You put it up on the forum so assume you want feedback. I will tell you, take Buddha's advice, don't believe him ...... That Buddha quote is a classic example of spiritual misdirection, reasoning with cognitive dissonance, and metaphoric meme enforcement. All of which close your world to possibility and understanding. Spiritual misdirection: He says "Do not believe what you hear, read, rumor, teachers, government, and tradition" yet then in the same breath goes on to tells you "Do good for one and all via observation and analysis." What type of fool would listen to that type of snake oil. He is selling the very thing he is decrying. if you take it as is and ignore that he has complex rules as to the nature of good then it looks like,Paraphrasing Buddha,"Don't listen to anyone you don't want to unless you can see some benefit in it."But that is not what he meant. For the assumption is your understanding of what is "good". He tells you stuff you like to hear, "stuff the system, down with the man." Gives you total spiritual freedom till you get to the simple and impossible to define word "GOOD!". Thus by pointing to a path called spiritual freedom he leads you to a place call indoctrination. Its a classic advertising technique this why Buddhism lasts so long, they are good marketers. 300 million people can't be wrong? Bullshit. More than happy to continue with the analysis of that quote in regards to reasoning with cognitive dissonance, and metaphoric meme enforcement. but suspect you are not interested so will leave it at that.
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RHP User
12 years ago
It sound a like a good conversation to have over a beer, but a bit off topic. It resonated with me for its practical application to the point I was trying to make. In regards to your first post, it reads like The Upanishads or The Tao Te Ching. Define anything, and you limit it. In the realms of non-duality, 0=1. You must be having some fucking cosmic sex brother ;-)
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Unrushed1' It's confession time. I.... Am a Jedi, like my father before me. BigOcean, I thought that scene got left on the cutting room floor! I must have it! This has more topical relevance than you may have intended though. Monotheism presents divinity as a far removed big guy in the sky, willing to accept you if you accept him, but also to kick your ass hard if you misbehave! A father/child relationship. On the other hand, and for comparative value, Eastern mysticism sees divinity everywhere, and in everything. George Lucas hit the nail on the head here. Quoting Yoda: "Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship." Now apply both those cosmologies/world views to sex. See what I mean? The context is completely different. One is heavy and burdensome, one is quite magical. Im not to sure about all this churchy thing and sex,but i did love star wars lol
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RHP User
12 years ago
@jsk6767: this page may help you bridge the gap between the two.... Jedi Church dot org. In the meantime, I am trying to respond to everyone here, but the call of my Jedi services are calling in real life. Speak soon.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Ah, I see your Schwartz is bigger than mine!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Unrushed1' @jsk6767: this page may help you bridge the gap between the two.... Jedi Church dot org. In the meantime, I am trying to respond to everyone here, but the call of my Jedi services are calling in real life. Speak soon. Funny as mate lol,go forth ye who holds the knowledge of the Jedi,speak wit a true tongue to who ever you have dealings with and at all times remember the force and its all incompasing power and connection to yourself,come back soon oh weary traveller,rest those tired feet and engage in a liquid beverage thats known as the golden nectar of the gods, i.e VB pmsl,talk soon,maybe you mite be inclined to share in what your Jedi powers have accomplished for you ,i know its nunya,but i cant help it, some times im the worlds biggest sticky beak rofl lol,jamie
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Unrushed1' @jsk6767: this page may help you bridge the gap between the two.... Jedi Church dot org. In the meantime, I am trying to respond to everyone here, but the call of my Jedi services are calling in real life. Speak soon. btw thank you for letting me in on this what i presume will be excallent advise,i.e Jedichurch.org,that was very kind and thoughtful of you ,sincerly thanking you mate , jamie
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RHP User
12 years ago
That's fucking FUNNY! 😂
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MsSuperFoxy
12 years ago
Quoting 'Jack_Denials' Quoting 'SuperFoxxxy' Seeing Hell does not exist, does that mean I will go to Heaven?? Foxy Again Your helmet scares the "BE-JESUS" out of me! Foxy
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RHP User
12 years ago
Spaceballs again? I see a theme emerging!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Druish princesses are attracted to money and power, and I have.... neither :-/
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RHP User
12 years ago
Donnie Darko though :-)
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RHP User
12 years ago
PMSL! Who cares if this thread ever gets back on track 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
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RHP User
12 years ago
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RHP User
12 years ago
just wait until you see my Star Wars Action Figures!!!!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Unrushed1' just wait until you see my Star Wars Action Figures!!!!! Had a lookskies at ya profile but it just said unavailable,i was gunna say if you live in NSW i'll pay your taxi fare and accomadation for ONE nite only cause ima much like yourself neither have much coin to spare and except for believing in da force not much power here either rofl ,anyways what i was trying to say was that if you bring luke, darth,yoda,cp and da rest of the gang and let me play wit them,im luke just incase you had any unda the table thoughts about taking that spot lmao,it will be ma shout for the entire nite lol,what do you prefer maaccas or kfc pmsl lol,jamie
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RHP User
12 years ago
...and I only eat Midichlorians!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'ShyPrincess74' It's a really tough topic for me, because I believe in the value of spirituality, and I know for many people, as well as for me at certain points in my life, it has been an intense source of comfort and hope. Hey ShyOne, I would mourn for that part of you too. Our formative years should have so much more positive reinforcement and support to develop healthier, more accepting frameworks for which to understand our human nature, and our humanity. So much damage is done that takes such a long time and a such lot of effort to undo. Its not hard to think you don't measure up when the only archetype presented for divinity and modelling yourself from is an embodiment of purity and spiritual perfection... and in this case, its not even of your own gender. [Goes off on a internalised mental rant....] In regards to your above statement, I can really relate to this. I absolutely love the silence that befalls the church in prayer. Its like each and every individual's mental static ceases within the congregation, and there is a resounding peace. That's the effect of reverence. Acknowledging something greater than yourself. For me, reverence is sort of like gratitude. It is its own reward to practice for its benefits to the individual. I must admit, I have never been able to connect the dots too well on fathoming the value of Christian philosophy from within its own writings. Self referencing is NOT ok! In that vein, and because of your amaranthine bibliophilia and concomitant eutony, I have a book recommendation that looks at concepts of Christianity, from another faith.... The Good HeartHis Holiness The Dalai Lama explores the heart of Christianity- and of humanity. ISBN 0-7126-7275-3
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'SuperFoxxxy' I believe my spiritual expression has come within, to believe in myself first before anything or anyone. "Like!"
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' I went to a Catholic School from 6 to 18 years of age. We were taught evolution and we had sex education classes, and I don't remember anyone teaching us that we should wait for marriage before having sex. Or maybe that is my selective memory. Our teachings were that all the miracles, and adam and eve, etc were symbolic stories to explain God's message. ......it is only since I have joined RHP and read about polyamoury relationships, open relationships, and all the different ways people can be happy which has made me realise that we all don't have to follow the same formula. It's a shame that my family probably think I am a 40 year old virgin though. Like this too! Just a question Meeka. When do good Catholic girls mature into good Catholic adolescents, and then into mature Catholic women? When do you lose the father/child relationship status to become responsible for your own actions and decisions? Its a generic question, not directed at you, but at the loops we get caught in when dealing with a black and white construct. IMO, Christianity has been cruel towards the sexuality of women, projecting the virgin/whore complex, and very little room for error, let alone exploration. Also BTW, I don't find your position/situation an inhibition at all in orgiastic scenarios, unless of course you really wanted to be the centre of that attention. You seem to have found your comfort zone, which is a really good thing IMO. Found what works for you, and that it includes a level of familiarity and trust in the people you play with. Cant say that's not already a very liberal embrace of your choice of sexual expression, looking from the outside in, me being so VANILLAH and all!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Paradisepair' I was raised by parents who had been damaged by religion. As I child I was encouraged to find my own path. Sex can be extremely spiritual for me, sometimes. That is a Godsend, to excuse the phrase, that your parents encouraged a pursuit of your own truth rather than be bound to their own that obviously wasn't working for them and force it upon you. I have known people in that situation. Please share more about your discoveries if you care to.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'ShyPrincess74' I have that book. :-) And "amaranthine bibliophilia and concomitant eutony" - well, now you're just teasing me. Yes. Yes I am.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I have to admit being on the run while trying to respond to posts here, and am concerned if I come across as a little flippant on sensitive issues. If this is the case, please shoot me down or respond with correcting me on my perceptions of where you are coming from & my ways. I don't mind eating humble pie.
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RHP User
12 years ago
There have been issues with the obvious change of style in narration and presentation between the original Star Wars Trilogy, and the more recent prequels. This has had actors direct their concerns towards George Lucas, which are captured here quite well. YouTube "The Star Wars That I Used To Know"http://youtu.be/JbPHPSeAIW4
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'ShyPrincess74' I would consider "Yes. Yes I am. " to be flippant, and direct you to consume the aforementioned pie forthwith. Are you saying what I think you are saying?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Did you say what I think I thought you said, or did I hear what I think I thought you meant?
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madotara69
12 years ago
If we start off as a fly and live a life basking in shit? Then we can come back as something that recognises it. Simple really? Mado Mado Tara xx
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RHP User
12 years ago
Is Weird Al doing a Benjamin Button thing? He seems to be getting younger :-D
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RHP User
12 years ago
What's that got to do with sex again?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting Superfoxxy: "I kissed my brothers friend in a confesson box...ONCE. Seeing Hell does not exist, does that mean I will go to Heaven??" This reminds me of a joke. 3 businessmen make their way to the pearly gates, at which they find St Peter there to welcome them all. He asks the first businessman "So, how did you get on in life? Many sins to confess?" The first businessman replies "Oh, I must admit to having a mistress, a sordid affair with my secretary, and regular visits to the whorehouse and strip club down the road". St. Peter raises his eyebrows and says "Well, well, well. Here. Have this push bike to get around heaven on". The first businessman looks a little confused, but it was a cool bike, so off he rode through the pearly gates with a smile on his face. St Peter turns to address the second businessman. "What about you?" he says. The second businessman's head hung in shame. "I cheated on my wife once. It played on me so bad, that I had to tell her. She forgave me, but I never forgave myself for letting her down". St Peter patted him on the back and said "There, there. Have this Mazda to get around heaven in. It's comfortable, and economical. I think you'll find it quite suitable". It was in his favourite colour, and off he went through the pearly gates with a smile. St Peter turned to the third businessman. "Welcome to heaven" he said. "And how did you get by in life? Any confessions?" The third businessman said "St Peter, I went to church every Sunday, gave to local charities, worked 4 jobs to get my kids through college, and never, ever looked twice at any other woman but my wife". St Peter replied "Hmmm. Impressive my friend! I have just the right car for you. Up rolls this silver Lamborghini, top of the line, state of the art sports model with everything! The third businessman hugged St Peter hard and said "You just don't know how much this means to me. I've always wanted one of these!" And with a screech of the wheels and a cloud of smoke, he disappeared through the pearly gates. A week passes, and St Peter was getting around heaven and happened to stumble upon the third businessman sobbing with his head in his hands. "What's wrong?" He says to the third businessman. Don't you like the Lamborghini?". "I love it" he replied, but I just saw my wife go by. She was wearing a red pair of roller skates!".
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Unrushed1' I have to admit being on the run while trying to respond to posts here, and am concerned if I come across as a little flippant on sensitive issues. If this is the case, please shoot me down or respond with correcting me on my perceptions of where you are coming from & my ways. I don't mind eating humble pie. Quoting 'Unrushed1' I have to admit being on the run while trying to respond to posts here, and am concerned if I come across as a little flippant on sensitive issues. If this is the case, please shoot me down or respond with correcting me on my perceptions of where you are coming from & my ways. I don't mind eating humble pie. Warm american pie,humble pie or even red hot pie lol,Pssst let you in on a little secret i know,i be learning it from me days in the kitchen at maaccas when i was just a wee little lad about the age 12 or 13,there applie pies are flown in from Alderaan,especially brewed to carry as much midichlorians as they can ,have you ever opened one up and looked inside ?????????????????????????????? all those little black specs we believe are cinamon are in fact midichlorians,i kid you not lmao lol,jamie
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madotara69
12 years ago
Sorry Unrushed, thought we were getting all spiritual. Sulphate pits, that was what hell was the pits of Gehenna, hell did exist. I'd be there, except the devil fears for his job. But we can talk about sex then Mado Tara xx
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RHP User
12 years ago
Don't forget I'm 45th generation Roman! :-D
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RHP User
12 years ago
Thanks for that earworm too. I like it!
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RHP User
12 years ago
I was just revving you up Mado. I love the fly illustration, it was just so... short :-(
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madotara69
12 years ago
Bt.... h mm
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madotara69
12 years ago
Join with me now and I shall take you to the great big massive huge pearly gates of heaven, or don't come with me now and you are at the perils of the devil and his sinful burning prison of eternal pain and fear. Hmmmmm where do all the dirty girls go, first question, he did not like me. It's a bit out there, some of that stuff. So Me, Tara, us? There is an energy around us all the time, posative or negative, let one flow through and it floods, either or other. Got to keep the positive one flowing, cos the negative will get in and fill till we drop. Which leads to the spiritual sexuality, when we met it was our spirits who took bond, so we never needed to get to know each other we just did and when we have sex it is again our spirits that bond and that is some pretty out there stuff too. But it just feels so right.
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RHP User
12 years ago
When you start reading the Bible as a Book and just take it as a historical novel with an open mind, its not a bad story.We all have to remember that all this 'knowledge of good and evil was translated in Latin...no one could read it except a few....the bibles "knowledge was just an interpretation of some Clerics to the common folk.Not until Gutenberg translated the bible and many could read the words in there own language, was there maybe a question asked, whatever the priest told the congregation. And still today in Church we mostly hear the same sermons and nothing else, how many of us " Christians" have read the bible from beginning to end....I bet not many.This Book, as I call it, was the simplest explanation for people who saw the world from their simple knowledge of the cosmos and their surroundings and understanding of nature.All humans are asking the question, where have we come from, how was it the first of us was made....so this book " the Bible" explained this in a simple way, which could be understood by most. Simple as that, in my humble opinion.I am not saying there is no wisdom and good things in the bible...I am just saying its a book no more no less.That we have taken this book as the main stream of our judgmental ideas today, was I believe, a lucky stroke for the Christian movement to conquer the world.There is no hell or heaven .........out there..........., both are here on Earth.Again Paradise is here on Earth, thats the human paradise, we just can't see it anymore, because our minds got told many many time until we saw what we see today,that we have been kicked out of Paradise......I say bullshit.And people really look at Earth, really look at it.......look at the beauty around you, Earth is everything you want it to be, its up to you to see it as HELL or HEAVEN.For me its a paradise I live in.L
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RHP User
12 years ago
(written in dribs and drabs over the last few days, as time permitted...) Hey folks, I am wrapping it up here on RHP for now, and wanted to acknowledge the posters who I hadn't responded to before I go. I have just spent the last few days by my Grandfathers deathbed, husband of my Nan who I had mentioned previously here. His last day conscious was lucid, reflective, jestful, and wonderful for us all. He truly revelled in the company of his family, and many stories were told, and many laughs were had. he slept comfortably and soundly that night, and by sunrise when I woke, his breathing was soft, gentle, rhythmic, serene, and then silent. He just slipped away. It was just me & him, and I was honoured to usher this great man to the gates of what lies beyond. In conversation the previous day, he had reflected that his thoughts were the goal in life were to live with as much tolerance as possible, and he did right to the end. Goal achieved. I am feeling pretty shitty at the moment, as that very night, I had a dummy spit no less dramatic than when Anakin turned to the dark side and battled Obi Wan on Mustafar. I had made an error of judgement that had serious consequences, and did my best to face the music, was crucified (to excuse the pun), and lost my shit. I'm still being an asshole about it. Not one to be hard on myself or the other person involved, but Sith Happens. Moving on. Litonia, your first post broke my heart. You come across on the forums as such a wonderful sensitive soul, I am sad to hear about that aspect of your upbringing, and glad to know that at the end of the story, there is a wonderful, insightful, and compassionate woman. I came across this the other day when reading from a site dedicated to the gnostic gospels (read about them on wikipaedia) called TheNazareneWay dot com. The article is entitled "Lucifer: Satan or Goddess?", and presents the notion that the angel Lucifer was also known as the Morning Star, which as you know is the planet Venus, and the Roman Goddess of Love, Sexuality, Procreation, and Feminine Beauty. In the New Testament, Lucifer/Venus(?) was demonised as Satan, yet the article argues that Lucifer and Satan are not one and the same looking at the translations. Thought that may appeal to you after your question on the matter. (Then there is the argument that Jesus called himself the morning star/Lucifer in Revelations LOL. Imagine that! The saviour AND the enemy! The alpha and the omega, the light and the darkness, the masculine and the feminine, the yin and the yang! But don't let me distract you. I am a nerd for this stuff. I love a good argument!) Blindman, I would have loved to go a bit deeper with you here. You are living something that you know instinctively, which is something a lot of people aspire to, and work hard to attain a workable understanding of. Saturn, with a it of imagination, you could have really had some fun making up things for the confessional! Glad to hear it wasn't a hindrance to you. MissKay, I worked hard to separate the issues and appreciate the value of Christianity from the things about it that offended my sensibilities, though, its an open market these days. If you care to, pick a god/dess that appeals to you, or two, or three, or four. Just make sure its practical. The world is your oyster. Mado............ your love of Tara is stuff legends are written about mate. A true inspiration. I'm sure your spirits soar when you are together! There's a few points I would like to comment on before I go. Celibacy. In traditions and practices that are about cultivating energy such as Tai Chi, Qi Gong, Kung Fu etc, high level practitioners will use celibacy to cultivate energy to distribute to other areas, meridians, needs, and goals. The urge to fuck is a primal driving force. Harnessed, it can be like a supercharged turbo drive to power up internal and or spiritual energies to higher goals or states of connection to the cosmos, or the divine. This is where I assume Christian forefathers (hate that word) got the idea that it was good for everyone. Make it a moral prescription to have the whole population vibrating on a higher frequency in order to be able to reach closer towards God. It worked for the dedicated. The only problem is, it has to be done intentionally. Making a moral prescription to every layperson will not do the trick. Most people will struggle with it. We are naturally meant to fuck, right? Procreation? Survival of the species? I'm not saying we should fuck indiscriminately, I'm just saying its a naturally programmed primal urge. Making it immoral or impure, evil, is in my opinion, not embracing what it is to be human. This stems back the to the idea that we should be transcending human nature in order to be spiritual. That's one way, sure, but you don't have to give up your human nature to be spiritual at all. You just need to be kind to your countryfolk & kin, and have a sense of your place and purpose in the world. At the other end of spiritual celibacy, is the Tantric tradition, where you can fuck your way to enlightenment! Go figure! Both ways will do the trick LOL ;-) I chose wilfully to practice celibacy for 2 years in my mid 20's. It was amazing. I was so vibed up that I felt invincible. My sexual organs had no energy directed towards them at all. It was like they were a vestigial apparatus, and just a long piece of skin to wee from. It felt as though my body was just a vessel for my spirit, and I identified with myself more as a spirit in a body, than I did with my body containing a spirit. My spirit did not have genitals. Completely asexual and gender free. I smirked as I walked through the world, knowing my physical appearance was just for outwards presentation. It was fun, and to me, sort of rebellious at the time to be going in the opposite direction to what most 20'ishs (myself previously included) were up to with their developing sexuality, ie running rampant. It was great, but suitable for a purpose. Not for everyone, especially when it is forced upon you. And for me, an adventure based on a specific interest for a specific time frame, not a lifelong vow! There have been no posts by anyone grown up with, say, Hindu or Buddhist backgrounds so far. There have been no posts by people who have explored Tantric or Taoist sexual paths or similar so far. These areas I would have like to have seen this thread develop into exploring. Mainly for comparative value to most mainstream and Christian perspectives. If anyone is interested in Tantric practice, I have heard good things about Tantric Blossoming on the East Coast, and The Sanctuary of Tantra in Perth. Taoist perspectives are harder to come by. Mantak Chia is probably the definitive voice in this area, and has written books that have become foundations and cornerstones of this area of Taoist practice. His works are: Taoist Secrets of Love: Cultivating Male Sexual Energy; Healing Love of the Tao: Cultivating Female Sexual Energy; and Awaken Healing Light of the Tao. He seems to have two websites... MantakChia dot com and Universal-Tao dot com. The next are a list of a few things that have influenced me in developing an objective perspective with my dance of both joy and hardship with Christianity. My own exit counselling, just an exploration of the same stuff from different angles. The Good Heart (book) was mentioned before as well as the Gnostic Gospels. Here are a few more readily available sources I have found helpful in this regard. The Last Temptation of Christ (movie): Controversial in its time, features Willem Dafoe as Jesus, Harvey Keitel as Judas (I know. After watching any of Tarantino's movies, try and picture that!), and a sexy as hell Barbara Hershey as Mary Magdalene. The opening screens say it all... "This film is not based upon the Gospels, but upon a fictional exploration of the eternal spiritual conflict" "The dual substance of Christ- the yearning, so human, so superhuman, of a man to attain God.... has always been a deep inscrutable mystery to me. My principle anguish and source of all my joys and sorrows from my youth onward has been the incessant, merciless battle between the spirit and the flesh.... and my soul has been the arena where these two armies have clashed and met." There is an awesome and insightful sliding doors moment in the movie where Jesus meets St Paul (In the Bible, Paul was the guy who 'saw God' on the road to Damascus after Jesus had already been crucified, and is responsible for making God and Jesus accessible to non-Jewish people. From memory, Jesus never mentioned that his message was for anyone but the Jewish people. Paul was in conflict with Peter the Apostle over this, who maintained that it was only for the Jews. Paul won, and the rest is world history). Jesus Christ Superstar (movie): This 1973 rock opera from Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd Webber was filmed with funky ass flares, bangles, long flowing hippy dresses, and mini skirts all on location in Jerusalem. It is an insightful commentary of the last week before Jesus's crucifixion, and the relationship between him and Judas, from the eyes of Judas who is presented in the film as a voice of reason. I love this film and its music. Its probably best known for its song "I Don't Know How To Love Him" sung by Mary Magdalene, but there are some damn fine funky moments in this films soundtrack. Dogma (movie): Jay and Silent Bob are back with an all star cast including Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, Salma Hayak, Chris Rock, Alan Rickman, and a guest appearance by Alanis Morrisette as God! What can I say? Its probably a teenage flick, but hits home with a few big issues that put shit into perspective. Also, its got Affleck and Hayak. Did I already say that? Kevin Smith did an awesome job directing this movie, though there were a few less Star Wars references in this movie than he puts in others :-) The Pagan Christ (book): Tom Harpur debunks all the foundations of the Bible and presents it as a fabrication, to arrive at the conclusion that following Christ as a spiritual path is still valid, if not even more so once the dogma is gone. He examines the parallels between the stories of Jesus and the Egyptian god Horus, and claims it is just an old story that has been retold. Adding that there are many pagan examples of 'sons of (a) god', virgin births to a human mother, of resurrection, of changing water to wine, all pre-dating Christianity, and the list goes on. Gives things a bit of context. Blah, blah, blah. I hope that want too boring a sermon, and forgive the inescapable sweeping generalisations, but it was important in me turning a spiritual hindrance into something helpful nonetheless. None of it has been meant to be disrespectful or sacreligious, just a differing perspective on things. Till next time, be well, and take care, y'all.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Sex and Spirit: Ecstasy, Ritual, and Taboo. by Clifford Bishop. (book) ISBN 1-900131-94-2 Examines the long world history of humans exploring just where sex fits into the bigger scheme of things, from phallic worship, sacred temple prostitution, puritanism, androgyny, ritual and initiation, and taboo. The impression I get is that its all been done before, what's old is new. Highly recommended.
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madotara69
12 years ago
Our spirits can't create feelings, our human can. For this experience we spirits need to be in a body of human nature, the spirit of mankind. yor Grandfather had everything set to go. Unrushed, I would care to be seeing that it may well have been an honour, now you need to honour that, you were there in his makings, and ushering not needed, he had a clear ride out of town. What was it? you had to behold. Maybe it was him to you, and what all the "worries" were worth to that good death. Every single thing we are meant to experience to then know to it. You may have been his last and only worry, so he has shown you to it. If you were to be passing on at this moment, would you be in the same care to affairs, he was? Fighting something that has happened for a reason, won't ever give a true meaning. The best of things are the true meanings, same as the best in people only means anything too and beyond. Going to miss the meanings you have been bringing to the table. If I can share to you my most learned meaning, you to take it and live to it? That love I have for Tara, is to the freedom of it. No one controls it, no one will find it if they try to any for that. It's a meaningful reason we can let things go. Take care Unrushed, it's been great to have seen the best in you over this short time. It doesn't feel right, you leaving, guess it is all up to what is meant to be and the best for it. No good bye though, not if you don't know where you are going, can't be so sure, so until the next time and take care with you, as ours are sent. Mado Tara xx
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RHP User
12 years ago
I choose to start my journey to enlightenment with Bacchus
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Unrushed1' Sex and Spirit: Ecstasy, Ritual, and Taboo. by Clifford Bishop. (book) ISBN 1-900131-94-2 Examines the long world history of humans exploring just where sex fits into the bigger scheme of things, from phallic worship, sacred temple prostitution, puritanism, androgyny, ritual and initiation, and taboo. The impression I get is that its all been done before, what's old is new. Highly recommended. Reading that I did find it especially strange that the poor bugger that wrote the Kama Sutra was celibate!
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