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tots in padded bras?
September 02 2011
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14 years ago
It nearly made me gag!
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14 years ago
yeah... I'd say it's sick...except seriously... take your mind back... way back to when you were a little boy or girl.... Who amongst you has never shoved a pair of oranges down your shirt and said to your friends "hey look at me! I've got tits" ... or whatever. While you're denigrating adults for their ridiculous support for this behaviour beyond merely goofing off, spare a thought... and get some empathy for these kids... do you ever wonder what they think about it? I do. What's in that kids head?HUgsStalky
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14 years ago
when we make such an ordeal out of something it becomes an issue.i remember as a kid,as stalky said, putting socks in my top and pretending to have boobs, wearing mums high heels and using makeup like i was a clown, now i think im fairly well adjusted.this girl was dressing up as dolly parton,and it was a sort of tounge in cheek performance. who went to school for book week dressed as a genie or a princess or a mermaid, midrif showing, fake bikini? we all did that.i did read the article and think, yuck, but then on further reflection is it really that bad? the whole paegent thing to me is wrong but thats a whole other topic.
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14 years ago
And I think the behaviour is appalling for that very reason, what it does to the children. Let them be children FFS. If they want to stick oranges in their shirt and say "hey I've got boobs", that's one thing, but in this situation it seems to be the mothers controlling what they wear and how they look. And don't get me started on the young models that are tarted up to look older and then posed in provocative ways. Talk about the sexualisation of children. Pffft Its bloody off . . . big time. And before we go castigating just American mothers, I heard a rumour the pageants are coming here! Someone take action to protect these children please!Wildly incensed
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14 years ago
Quoting 'stalky' yeah... I'd say it's sick...except seriously... take your mind back... way back to when you were a little boy or girl.... Who amongst you has never shoved a pair of oranges down your shirt and said to your friends "hey look at me! I've got tits" ... or whatever. Me .. and most of the kids I grew up with , and my own children now .. While you're denigrating adults for their ridiculous support for this behaviour beyond merely goofing off, spare a thought... and get some empathy for these kids... do you ever wonder what they think about it? I do. What's in that kids head?. Spare a thought for the final product that thes episodes produce .. MAL ADJUSTED CHILDREN AND YOUNG ADULTS .. THOSE THAT CLING TO THE MINUSCULE PAST OF .. 'I WON A BEAUTY PAGEANT WHEN I WAS 6/7/8 . .. my mother pushed me into is and i hate her so much ... LOOK AT ME NOW .. AS THEY DRAG ANOTHER TAINTED SMOKE AND DRINK THEM SELVES INTO AN EARLY GRAVE ..I have spent some time in my life caring and council ling just such children .. .. YES . some cope with it and go on to make something of them selves ... others end up living a resentful life of a recluse because they could not cope with it and they could not form meaningful bonds of friendship with others because of it .. Psychology and Psychiatry bills are so sooooo expensive.
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14 years ago
The news article wasn't about putting her in a padded bra to make her look older. It's a DOLLY PARTON COSTUME for a comedic performance. How can you do Dolly without fake tits and ass?Yes, there are a lot of things about the child pageant scene that make me angry and disgusted but I won't get into it here. The way you've posed this topic without half the story is just a gee-up to get people ranting.
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14 years ago
Just so you know, my comment wasn't a personal attack/yet another 'hey it's them again, pick it to peices' post. I honestly didn't even look at who posted the topic before commenting.
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14 years ago
Quoting 'curiousnewgirl78'The news article wasn't about putting her in a padded bra to make her look older. It's a DOLLY PARTON COSTUME for a comedic performance. How can you do Dolly without fake tits and ass? Yes, there are a lot of things about the child pageant scene that make me angry and disgusted but I won't get into it here. The way you've posed this topic without half the story is just a gee-up to get people ranting. its not funny, or comedic,,,and no its wasnt just about her doing a comedy routine about dolly. the routine was part of the pageant program....like an adult beauty pageant these kiddies are judged in different ways.........its sick, wherever you put it....these are little girls. not sexualised women. and to put them in padded bras, padded panties, makeup and hair, and then wrap them in a figure hugging and sexually suggestive clothing isnt entertainment, its perverse. end of story. and yea we should all be gee'd-up and bloody offended by the story, its sick.......
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14 years ago
That was only a half the story! It was a costume, same as if she was wearing a tail and barking to pretend to be a puppy.... Dressing children for show isn't a new occurance, just look at Maiko (pre-Geisha) tradition in Japan and the Pre-Eighteenth Century trends in Europe of dressing the girls to match their mothers or represent little adults. I'm not agreeing with the execution of the Toddler and Tiara style pagent, just saying that it isn't a new phenomena. I do find it amazingly shallow that everyone gets on the 'american' bandwagon here. Have many of you spent much time in the states, the people are as diverse as you would find anywhere else (i.e. in Australia) and I think it's so obtuse to have such defined sterotypes.
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14 years ago
Quoting 'michnruss' That was only a half the story! It was a costume, same as if she was wearing a tail and barking to pretend to be a puppy.... Dressing children for show isn't a new occurance, just look at Maiko (pre-Geisha) tradition in Japan and the Pre-Eighteenth Century trends in Europe of dressing the girls to match their mothers or represent little adults. I'm not agreeing with the execution of the Toddler and Tiara style pagent, just saying that it isn't a new phenomena. I do find it amazingly shallow that everyone gets on the 'american' bandwagon here. Have many of you spent much time in the states, the people are as diverse as you would find anywhere else (i.e. in Australia) and I think it's so obtuse to have such defined sterotypes. its not even remotely the same at all...........these kids are being sexualised, and exploited. why? for their parents glory, not the childs...........does a 4 year old even know who Dolly Parton is? no. does a 4 year old know about padded bras or false breasts? no. do they know about fake butts? or how to do their hair like a 50's sex siren.....or makeup like a pin up girl? no no and no..........its long past play when parents are spending 1000's of dollars on costumery and promotion, or on makeup and hairdo's..........for a 4 year old? come on...if you're a half way responsible adult or parent you should be horrified at thw story, no matter why or where the little girl was dressed for, its just wrong.............as the Child Psychologist herself said........its teaching these little girls the wrong things..theres no "american bandwagon' here....just fact.......look at where all the controversy is aimed......its not at eskimos is it....
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14 years ago
...all "American" mothers and the children learn, particularly at that age, what they are taught. Some things are as equally deplorable and what we teach the children is up to us as adults to instill in them. | I agree, Stalky...it is all about what we put in our kids heads as we are the adults. I would suggest a few sessions with a good psychiatrist for any adult that got some kind of kick out of that sort of thing...but at 4 would wonder if the child has any conceptual predisposition to even think about the "sex factor". If they are...and adult with a sick mind would have to teach them that too. | At the age of 4, I put on a space helmet and ran around on stage in front of a very large gathering at school. I did not grow up to be an astronaut and nobody tried to show me their moon rocks.
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14 years ago
Ms Jackson put her daughter in pageants after she showed some interest in having her photos taken as a baby.| "And if she desires to stop at any moment that's perfectly fine. If she wants to play soccer, baseball, whatever she wants to do, then we'll stop pageants at any moment."| Debate over child beauty pageants recently hit Australian shores when there were calls for a Victorian pageant to be banned, forcing American contestant Eden Wood to pull out because her mother feared for the child's safety.| smh.com.au
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14 years ago
putting ice cream buckets on your head and jumping off the garage with a tea towel as a cape, or wearing dads old military gear and playing soldiers doesnt in any way equate with mum sewing together an outfit that deliberately portrays something or someone sexual.............how does a mother coaching her young daughter in the ways of adult dance (gyrating and thrusting of pelvis and the sexual pouts of pin ups etc) sound ok to any responsible parent? or dressing a 4 year old in a way that can only portray sex, regardless of the situation or circumstance, how is this acceptable? if it was a group of grown men who were running these things there would be a deafening chorus of protest and condemnation........why? because it sexualises young girls! 4 year olds dont know about photography...they only hear the approving oohs and aaahs from adults. 4 year olds arent into Dolly Partons huge breasts.....adults are. 4 year olds dont know about manicures and pedicures, or hair stylists or false eyelashes and the like.....adults are....4 year olds dont know about pageants or stage shows, or applause and adulation.......adults do........... its wrong because its not natural.......
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14 years ago
eden wood pulled out of nothing........her mother did that....a 4 or even 6 year old cant make those decisions...even american ones. if anyone believes its up to a small to make the choice then they are seriously deluding themselves.....none of our children could have made that choice...........neither could our grandchildren......little children just dont come into contact with any of the things we see them dragged to and from, without their parents being the driving force behind any of these 'choices'.................my 4 year old grandson would watch transformer movies all day, except we as adults have chosen not to allow it..............adults make the choices........not tots.
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14 years ago
and I was just remarking to my daughter how lovely it was that he was still very much a baby compared to many. Kids used to be babies at three and now they are not. It is sad but too many of our babies see so much and experience so much that they shouldn't. Our children only get 18 years as kids and then 60 to 70 as an adult. Let them be babies while they can. Let them keep thier innocence for as long as they can.
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14 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee' and I was just remarking to my daughter how lovely it was that he was still very much a baby compared to many. Kids used to be babies at three and now they are not. It is sad but too many of our babies see so much and experience so much that they shouldn't. Our children only get 18 years as kids and then 60 to 70 as an adult. Let them be babies while they can. Let them keep thier innocence for as long as they can.absolutely.........kids should be left as kids....not made into something else..........
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14 years ago
"American" mother's are good at that...looking after their children, and we are all aware of the age of consent. Of course, with the simple parameters of a the demographic whereby the state of Florida alone has roughly the same population as all of Australia, it would follow that there would be some exceptions to almost any given rule. Just like the fellow here in Melbourne that threw his baby off the bridge? | That would not be conclusive evidence that Australian fathers are murderous parents nor warrant a slanderous remark to that effect broad brushing an entire nation categorically. | We need to teach our children well.
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14 years ago
This deplorable habit of treating our kids like tiny adults is not democraphic at all.
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14 years ago
You're right, Fiona and unfortunately the world they live in is so much different that what it ever was before, and in 5 years from now we will be calling these the "good old days" as technology booms and like water...our tolerance of what we will accept as a minimum level of acceptable within society will flow to it's lowest possible level before settling into a pool. Then the trouble is...it seems to keep flowing downhill. | Take a look at what's out there on the television, the games they play on X-box et al and are even exposed to in transitional adult thinking as we struggle to keep up. Reality TV like Big Brother and even this show that has been mentioned here are impacting on how we view the world. Shows like that are not reality...they are generated for the sole purpose of boosting ratings and exploiting adults minds who will sit there show after show supporting the massive commercial enterprise. The reality is that exploitation exists at all levels and entertains those that would seek out the amazing uproarious cacophony in the media following a blitz. | I rarely watch TV or read anything in the media that has to do with the reviews or outrage of programming like Big Brother, Survivor, The Apprentice and now this. That's not rebuke reality TV as a whole, some shows that debuted during the decade marked new lows in human depravity others inspired audiences and showed what good the genre can do. I watch MasterChef....maybe someone that watches the others can fill me in on all the truth and outrage they find pasted to the screen and continue to support this genre. | Shows like that may not be entertainment and in my humble opinion perhaps should not even be aired...but they are and disgustingly successful enough to have captured the minds of some adults who may be outraged. I would not be too terribly surprised if reality TV shows like that are even scripted...too bad they are not edited more, they can bring out the worst in some people. | You and I agree on quite a few things Fiona...what we say, how we act and the beliefs that we express as our values are what become their reality...and it's certainly or hopefully not on reality TV. | The best we can do...is teach our children well. | | Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young....we can only change their minds.
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14 years ago
Quoting 'fionabee'This deplorable habit of treating our kids like tiny adults is not democraphic at all. yes.....but the headlines about the tots in tiaras and tots in fake boobies are American stories....hence my reference. nothing else........had the headlines been about Uzbekistanis or Transnistrians I wouldve referenced them, but it wasnt. theres no slander. libel, defamation or anything in my question......the truth is that they were americans and i asked what else these 'American' mothers can come up with. fact and question. but people being who they are will always attempt to make a simple question into...what was it?.............an 'american bandwagon'.......or a 'slanderous remark'.......were i attempting to insult americans (which i was not) i could absolutely 'go to town' if i chose...........but I'm neither ignorant nor arrogant.......wherever this happens ( I hope never here) its absolutely deplorable..........and i would hope also that responsible parents also protest this, regardless of their cultural or ethnic backgrounds............
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14 years ago
we make a point of not watching so called 'reality' tv as we find its an insult to our intelligence..........its about as enlightening as a high-colonic......on the little girl in padded bra and undies though, we were outraged as parents, as anyone who was would be...........and made a judgement call after doing some research of our own... the practice of dressing up little girls as miniature adults isnt just sad, its also sorry and sick......scary thought for us is that our own beautiful grandchildren could be exposed to this in some way...........of the items we read some were alarming, others informative and even more just argumentative....Carleton Kendrick, a family therapist quoted by the New York Times says....." The long-standing and current overwhelming opinion in the psychology community concerning children's beauty pageants is that they are not in the best interests of healthy child development. There is enough undue, exaggerated focus on superficial beauty in this culture without children being pitted against each other in a contest of looks." we found so many statements like this, that is certainly difficult to consider any other argument...
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14 years ago
Yeah. Young kids are perfectly capable of coming up with sexual games all by themselves. Doctors and nurses for instance. Who didnt play doctors and nurses... or show me yours and I'll show you mine? Kindy kids are the one's who say "Boys have a penis and girls have vaginas"... they even put that quote in kindergarten cop. All of that is innocent enough. I'm not saying the pageant phenomenon is a good thing.... but the playing dressup side of it is still innocent... and kind of cute... and nobody "in their right mind" is thinking that these adorable little princesses look sexy. There's nothing sexy about it. Frankly only a very disturbed sick fucker would be thinking that way.HugsStalkyQuoting 'MrsPeachypear' Stalky.. I don't know about you but I was surprised by the thoughts in my head long before I hit double digits. Long before 'adults' made their mark. Make believe with friends is a different thing not to be compared. As you know I have a long memory.
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14 years ago
the disturbed sick fuckers are the ones who say its ok and normal..............its not. its not normal for a mother to foster the sexualisation of her daughter when the daughters only 4 or 6 or whatever. its not normal for a male to say 'yea its ok' its 'innocent' ...............when its not...its calculated and deliberate.....its for mothers to gain attention..for their 'daughters'? no......for themselves. these kids grow up damaged goods, they grow up with body image issues.... they are pushed from one 'gala event' to another....they dont make these costumes for themselves, nor do they fall from the sky.......we protect our girls from these sick fucks, and dont expose them to this sort of attention........and they've grown up normal...even though they are beautiful young women with better than model good looks...............
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14 years ago
Sometimes I do get just "a bit" long winded (no need to agree so quickly) and maybe that's it in one... | Quoting 'MrsPeachypear'Nope CM, I was well aware of my sexuality long before I had any adults with sick minds instilling any 'ideas' about it into me. That also was before I hit double digits... | I think I was maybe 8 years old when I gave the little girl across the street half my allowance to get her to play show me/show you....I remember thinking I paid to much and "ya got nuthin". I didn't appreciate her "nuthin" until we became teenagers. | Maybe that's it...kids do still have an amazing curiosity and and the "age of innocence" still exists...albeit it might end a bit sooner that it did in the past, way back when in the "good old days". Best two take aways from all this...let the kids be kids and don't give your son an allowance until he's old enough to spend it responsibly. | ...thanks, I am outta here.
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14 years ago
playful home play and commercial on the screen in your face made up at the mothers insistence .. sure kids at home can wear an ice-cream container and pretend their are a spaceman or such .. the kids find those things around the house .. and that's the kids choice.... they are not exploitedbutto have the the clothes and bras and makeup and hair styles bought and paid for by an adult , put on the national / internation media and they are employted at the adults insistance .. .there is a big difference between a 3-5 year old .. and a 9 year old (hence not yet the double digits) a 9 year old is starting to learn more about them selves and thier bodies .. mainly because they are in an education facility and its taught..and KINDERGARTEN COP ... that was scripted, BY ADULTS >.. end of story
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14 years ago
Surely you can't be saying that small children do not explore the differences between genders? It's one of the most fundamental things children learn..... e.g. mummy and daddy. I'm like daddy.. or I'm like mummy.... and so is dressing up... and make believe... Oh look ... I'm a princess.... look at my fat arse and my big tits.. lmfao.. that's freaking hysterical! There's nothing sexy about it.As for the crazy arse bitches that push their kids to travel world wide to participate in pageants... that's a whole nother story... with a whole nother set of implications, but "sexulaising" isnt really one of the side effects of pageant participation... if you wanted to focus on sexualisation, there are far more poignant examples of that, the majority of whcih are done behind closed doors in secret and in private. If you want to take a stand... stand up and be counted when it comes to domestic violence and child sex abuse. (I'm not directing that comment at you personally... it's more of a wish list.... too many people dont want to get involved because the subject makes them feel awkward.)HUgsStalkyHUgsStalky Quoting 'celebree' playful home play and commercial on the screen in your face made up at the mothers insistence .. sure kids at home can wear an ice-cream container and pretend their are a spaceman or such .. the kids find those things around the house .. and that's the kids choice.... they are not exploitedbutto have the the clothes and bras and makeup and hair styles bought and paid for by an adult , put on the national / internation media and they are employted at the adults insistance .. .there is a big difference between a 3-5 year old .. and a 9 year old (hence not yet the double digits) a 9 year old is starting to learn more about them selves and thier bodies .. mainly because they are in an education facility and its taught..and KINDERGARTEN COP ... that was scripted, BY ADULTS >.. end of story
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14 years ago
With keeping our little girls little and innocent as long as possible
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14 years ago
kindergarten cop was rated in the US as a PG13 film.....as not suitable for those under 13 years of age, and not suitable without parental guidance. here in Australia it was rated as an M, or only suitable for those 15 years and above.......its hardly indicative of young childrens behavior, and doesnt at all show how these little ones actually speak or play....... small children do explore...but its innocently.....add adult values and cues to the picture and it changes dramatically. its no longer play. kiddies playing dress ups at home is so far from what we raised and questioned that its not funny........kids play in costumes that their mother makes is also ok...........but put them on stage in front of a crowd, in front of cameras, and its not play at all....its getting serious. add to that costumes that are overtly sexual and suggestive, and dance routines that border on the inappropriate, and its very quickly something that littlies should never experience........pageants are wrong in themselves...but load the children up with 'adult' routines and 'adult' clothing while wearing adult hairstyles, makeup and fingernail polish and balance them on stilleto heels while they are up there and its damnable........... Dr Michael Carr-Gregg (adolescent psychologist) said of the pageant that had been set up for Melbourne, and this is the last paragraph, after he comdemns them for what they are........ "If you sense considerable passion and concern you are correct. 1 in 5 young people have a psychological problem in schools, mood and anxiety disorders are increasing, and I see the pain of adolescents (and their parents) struggling with eating disorders, not to mention the young woman in my office last week pleading with me to convince her parents to let her get plastic surgery because she can’t continue living looking so ugly (always compared to the popular media’s presentation of what is beautiful), I think that children’s beauty pageants (and this is mostly a girl’s/women’s issue) do a great disservice to the winners, the losers, and all children." this guys a professional. I'd listen to a professionals advice on this, and temper it with personal experience. i also found the following............ "Children and Beauty Pageantsby Kareen Nussbaum William Pinsof, a clinical psychologist and president of the Family Institute at Northwestern University said, " Being a little Barbie doll says your body has to be a certain way and your hair has to be a certain way. In girls particularly, this can unleash a whole complex of destructive self-experiences that can lead to eating disorders and all kinds of body distortions in terms of body image." Traveling, stress and competition are everyday aspects of an adult's life, an average day of an adult requires at least these three aspects to make it to lunch hour, but at the age of eight, stress about body ideals, modeling, and trophies should not come into existence. Since there are no set rules concerning promoters, organizers and participants, pageants are neglected by laws governing them. Organizers want to earn money and are not concerned with the need to protect their participants, and they don't. According to Phyllis Coleman, a professor of law at Nova Southeastern University, 3,000 pageants attract 250,000 children per year. According to the Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment and Adoption Reform Act, child abuse is defined as, "the physical or mental injury, sexual abuse or exploitation of a child under circumstances which indicate the child's health or welfare is harmed or threatened." Most stage mothers claim that their child wanted to enter the pageant on her own. Does an eight-year-old girl know what is best for her? In 1996 seven-year-old Jessica Duboff died when her parents allowed her to fly a plane across the country because she liked it. Should parents rely on their children to know what is best for them?"
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14 years ago
Playing dress ups... dressing like a princess... even sticking a pair of oranges down your shirt and saying "look.. boobies"... that's delightfully innocent. These kids are delightfully innocent... so why not let them be kids instead of politicing the innocent things that they do naturally.. e.g.. mimicking adults. Some of these parents go way too far for sure... they're the ones with a problem... but that shouldnt mean you should go around publicly making the children involved feel that they're doing something wrong.What I'm saying is that some kids love dressing up and performing on stage... they're all really crap at it... but they're having fun... so why make it a civil wrong? I'm not suggesting that you're all wrong for having an issue with the pageant machine.... but the fundamental idea... the opportunity for kids to pretend to be a movie star and develop a bit of self confidence is basically harmless and potentially it is developmentally helpful. HugsStalky Quoting 'KinkyKittyKat1' With keeping our little girls little and innocent as long as possible
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14 years ago
That this particulr little four year old was self conscious enough to try and cross her lttle girl arms over her big girl boobies in a vain attempt to hide them. That is how much she really wanted to play dress ups.
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14 years ago
You are reacting to the sensationalisation and press hysteria. I was taught to fold my arms in 1st class by a cranky old nun who insisted that we all sit down and fold our arms when we arrived... this so that we didn't fidget and make lots of noise etc..... you cannot possibly know that the girl was trying to hide her massive fave tits. More than likely she was attempting to pull one of her learned poses for the camera... I mean... was she cowering behind someone trying to hide.. or was she standing out there proud as if to say "look... aren't I cute"... see.... I dont care for what adults think .. its important to try and have some empathy for the kid.... how do you think she would feel if all you detractors were rallied outside with banners and placards yelling and screaming all your politicised opinions? Let kids be kids... and write a letter to her mother if you feel so crazy arsed about it.HugsStalky Quoting 'fionabee' That this particulr little four year old was self conscious enough to try and cross her lttle girl arms over her big girl boobies in a vain attempt to hide them. That is how much she really wanted to play dress ups.
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14 years ago
if we dressed a little boy up on a 'gay leather' outfit and had him up onstage writhing and thrusting all over the place......would there be anyone protesting? abso-fucking-lutely.............every single person here who considered themselves normal would have a say...............
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14 years ago
What the heck is a gay leather outfit? I've read your comment twice now and both times I imagined some cute little 5 year old kid cartwheeling across the stage wearing lederhosen, braces and boots like a freaking elf and its cracking me up... HugsStalky Quoting 'mikeandshel' if we dressed a little boy up on a 'gay leather' outfit and had him up onstage writhing and thrusting all over the place......would there be anyone protesting? abso-fucking-lutely.............every single person here who considered themselves normal would have a say...............
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14 years ago
Quoting 'stalky'What the heck is a gay leather outfit? I've read your comment twice now and both times I imagined some cute little 5 year old kid cartwheeling across the stage wearing lederhosen, braces and boots like a freaking elf and its cracking me up... HugsStalky Quoting 'mikeandshel' if we dressed a little boy up on a 'gay leather' outfit and had him up onstage writhing and thrusting all over the place......would there be anyone protesting? abso-fucking-lutely.............every single person here who considered themselves normal would have a say............... not that 'gay' you peanut.....village people gay..... you know....lol too small leather jacket, leather thong n hat and a pair of leather boots......what you wore to the mardi gras last year....remember?
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14 years ago
Someone read this and sent me a link to a young Elvis impersonator... I thought it was hilarious... but you lot would have him thrown into therapy for the rest of his early childhood.as for the Dolly Parton impersonator... I saw her on tv this morning.... showing off her padded bra... she was as proud as punch about it... hardly cowering with embarrassment..... and why would she be embarrassed anyway.... it's not like she is doing anything wrong.... cute as a button. the only problem I see is all the adults thrusting adult concepts on children's concept of what constitutes imaginative play.Oh.. and before anyone else raises it.. teh TV show this morning highlighted a little girl impersonating Julie Roberts by dressing up in the character Vivian, a prostitute... So we have a little girl impersonating an actress impersonating a prostitute... hilarious.. but oh no... not to you lot... that's sexualisation.... the poor kid was up to her nickers in leather boots... in fact she had more clothes on than she would have if she were running around the shopping centre on a saturday afternoon... but oh no... that's sexualisation because she is dressing as a prostitute?? I do not think so. She's delightfully innocent and childish about it. There's nothing sexual about it. Let kids be kids.HugsStalky
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14 years ago
Quoting 'stalky'Someone read this and sent me a link to a young Elvis impersonator... I thought it was hilarious... but you lot would have him thrown into therapy for the rest of his early childhood.as for the Dolly Parton impersonator... I saw her on tv this morning.... showing off her padded bra... she was as proud as punch about it... hardly cowering with embarrassment..... and why would she be embarrassed anyway.... it's not like she is doing anything wrong.... cute as a button. the only problem I see is all the adults thrusting adult concepts on children's concept of what constitutes imaginative play.Oh.. and before anyone else raises it.. teh TV show this morning highlighted a little girl impersonating Julie Roberts by dressing up in the character Vivian, a prostitute... So we have a little girl impersonating an actress impersonating a prostitute... hilarious.. but oh no... not to you lot... that's sexualisation.... the poor kid was up to her nickers in leather boots... in fact she had more clothes on than she would have if she were running around the shopping centre on a saturday afternoon... but oh no... that's sexualisation because she is dressing as a prostitute?? I do not think so. She's delightfully innocent and childish about it. There's nothing sexual about it. Let kids be kids.HugsStalkyat what point does dressing up as a prostitiute not be sexualisation? do you even have children? do you even get what the discussions about? how, as an adult can you trivialise other adults thrusting sex onto any child? dont you see the damaged children all around you? damaged because adults trivialise how sex affects our children? this isnt play. children have no concept of prostitutes at 6. would you give them drug paraphanalia as toys? x rated dvd's instead of the wiggles? how about we tattoo and pierce them too.....after all, its only play.... maybe they can pretend to be damaged and suicidal too....its only make believe...... because it seems sex and 6 years olds is not an issue....to you anyway..
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14 years ago
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/four-year-old-maddy-jackson-has-padded-chest-and-bottom-for-dolly-parton-tribute/story-e6frev00-1226127919930This is a frame out of the video footage I was talking about... is that a frown? It could be from the still... but in the video it clearly is not.I have to say, I do a reasonable amount of photography myself... a bit of an amateur professional :p... and there is such a thing as "honesty" ... a photo can be completely dishonest.. for instance, I can photograph a cesspit of shit at sunset and make it seem to anyone viewing the photo that it is a utopian wilderness photo... ducks flying, fish jumping and all. There's too much dishonest photography around.HUgsStalky
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14 years ago
There is a classic example...and being somewhat of a US trivia buff and a proud flag waving member of several anti-discrimination and anti-defamation groups, make one hell of a trivia partner if the questions are about the USA. Check it out... | "Entering the fifth grade, Elvis Presley is asked by his teacher, Oleta Grimes to enter a talent contest on children's day at the Mississippi-Alabama Fair and Dairy Show. At the age of ten, dressed in a cowboy suit, and standing on a chair to reach the microphone. Presley's rendition of Red Foley's "Old Shep" won second place, a $5 prize and a free ticket to all the rides. On his birthday the following January he received a guitar purchased from Tupelo Hardware Store. Over the next year, Vernon's brother Johnny Smith and Assembly of God pastor Frank Smith. gave him basic guitar lessons." |Roll the cameras ahead to now and this seven-year-old sings Heartbreak Hotel at an elementary school talent show...could this be the next Elvis? Watch when this kid gets his mojo going and decide for yourself...make sure you don't laugh to damn hard at this kid. He reminds me of....me at that age playing the guitar in a school play. I was much cooler...but didn't have the moves.|www.youtube.com/watch?v=f__kUjSgVog | Thanks Stalky...there are about 20 or so of these out there on youtube and the rest. I now need to let leather dry on my chair here.....I think I pissed my pants!
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14 years ago
There's something shakin' and a whole lot goin' on... | Quoting 'MrsPeachypear' LOL Midnight, I’m so bad… I got a 2 for 1 deal when I showed mine… | So come on now, baby...you show me both of yours and I'll take you to Graceland. | Hey, I done bought my mama a Cadillac... | ...all gotta do is ask.
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14 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachypear' FYI: The costume used to be worn by the mother when she did pageants as a child. As he preps her Partonesque wig for the the competition, stylist Michael confesses that he's not a fan of "the boobies." But Maddy thinks she looks cute in her outfit, boobs 'n all.I've seen that shot a few times Stalky and I've never thought it was a frown. The couple of different video clips I saw though definitely had moments where Maddy was not comfortable. One of the links is above. As far as my first post goes, I think I should have said that we are all born sexual creatures. And I think in general we seek approval. That is something I noticed in the exclusive interview where Maddy performs like a trained seal all the while watching the faces of the adults, the interviewer in particular, for approval. This is while the adults sit on chairs taller than Maddy looking down on her. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44340169#44340169 All in all, what I see here is one very little girl learning that boobs and a butt get you 1st prize… and lots of attention. In my experience Stalky, there are a shit load of disturbed sick f***ers out there with a special register for the one’s you’re thinking of in particular. I should also add that some of the youngsters in these pageants are far too young to have ever had a sexy thought cross their mind… Quoting 'stalky' Yeah. Young kids are perfectly capable of coming up with sexual games all by themselves. Doctors and nurses for instance. Who didnt play doctors and nurses... or show me yours and I'll show you mine? Kindy kids are the one's who say "Boys have a penis and girls have vaginas"... they even put that quote in kindergarten cop. All of that is innocent enough. I'm not saying the pageant phenomenon is a good thing.... but the playing dressup side of it is still innocent... and kind of cute... and nobody "in their right mind" is thinking that these adorable little princesses look sexy. There's nothing sexy about it. Frankly only a very disturbed sick fucker would be thinking that way.HugsStalky Quoting 'MrsPeachypear' Stalky.. I don't know about you but I was surprised by the thoughts in my head long before I hit double digits. Long before 'adults' made their mark. Make believe with friends is a different thing not to be compared. As you know I have a long memory. Mikeandshel, I thought you might like to check out the too young for sexy thread in hot topics, it’s about beauty pageants in general. LOL Midnight, I’m so bad… I got a 2 for 1 deal when I showed mine… naive till the end.Cuddles.. Mrs P xxxseen all the info...have had also to deal with kids who were suicidal as a direct result of 'body image' issues and their too early 'sexualisation'...these girls grow up damaged. end of story. and the 'adults' here who treat it like a joke and trivialise it are the ones who wont see the damage being done all around them and who will say...'i had no idea'...when their depressed son or daughter offs themselves at the end of a rope tied to their curtain rail........again, something i have already seen. that the mother also dressed up as Dolly suggests that this is a family with a problem. so fucking short sighted they cant see the damage they do to their little ones....its past sad, its pitiful. the furore generated in the US by the same story is the same as here...mothers, parenting groups, child welfare advocates and medical professionals are all protesting this sort of behaviour............see the 10 year old in Vogue dressed in adult lingerie? see the range of padded underwear for young girls removed from sale in the UK and France.....see the blogs protesting the whole 'tots in tiaras' idea and show? its play at home, when its surrounded by innocence and laughter.....put it on stage in front of adults and cameras and make it competitive, and its something very sinister and potentially damaging.........
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14 years ago
...Dollywood! | Quoting 'MrsPeachypear'Did I say... naive till the end??? | www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJD96bd1nyo&feature=related ....go on, ya know ya wanna! |
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14 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachypear' Mikeandshel, your gay leather outfit comment had me remembering a scene from, “The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas”, where Burt Reynolds (the sheriff & Dolly’s lover) is meeting Dom DeLuise (the senator) for the first time. Dom is getting ready to perform after tightening his girdle, setting shoulder pads and wig in place and stuffing socks down his jocks before topping it all off with a leather outfit. This is just before the scene where he goes on stage to denounce the Chicken House which is run by none other than Dolly Parton (the madam of course lolol). I’m sure there’s irony galore in there. Never have agreed with the whole beauty pageant thing and think it’s going way too far with the glitz and sexy bits, no need for it. Having watched a couple of episodes of ‘Tots n Tiaras’ to get some small idea of the whole process… and an episode of, ‘Wife Swap’, where I got to see from ‘the new wife’s’ point of view. It’s sad and scary in my eyes, let ‘em play dress ups at home, no adults allowed, kids are best at being kids without our interference. Lol, from what I remember… it’s our job to interrupt and explain that doctors and nurses is not the sort of thing they’re supposed to be playing just yet not to say they’re doing anything wrong. They are our children, not our toys… Mmmm I only mentioned the other thread as a reference to maybe answer some of the questions you asked Stalky. ;-) I saw Maddy’s mother’s mother on the exclusive interview clip (easy to google) and her answer to how it was worth it was to do with money and lots of toys. No mention of how it was good for Maddy in any other way, confidence, that sort of thing. Our littlies learn from us, it’s up to us what we encourage, not control, a different thing altogether. I mourn for all those whose too early ‘sexualisation’ has changed them so much that they feel they don’t fit into society anymore, that their only way out is to leave, and Lord I celebrate the survivors. I’ve read all the comments to go with the clips and stories I’ve checked out being a bit pedantic that way. I have seen the 10 year old in Vogue. I want to hear a reason WHY… not why not! Most important to me and my life are my offspring and theirs, and the man who I respect above all others, I couldn’t imagine my future without them all. Today clips are easy to find... in at least 2 different clips, I see Maddy looking down and not at all impressed”. And I've seen that shot a few times Stalky and I've never thought it was a frown. The couple of different video clips I saw though definitely had moments where Maddy was not comfortable. One of the links is above. So, I looked at yours... DID you look at mine? Honestly? I have seen the shot you're talking about a few times and while Maddy is looking down, I’ve always thought it was more a thoughtful look as she selected her bust. It is up to us to look past the hype and see for ourselves which I tried to do by looking at more than a pic, preferring to look at a few (video) clips before posting the second time. :-) Really, right now, how Maddy feels is not relevant, she is too young to make such decisions for herself, because she does not know better. That is another of our jobs as guardians. Hugs... Mrs P i agree 100% ...... it is our jobs as 'guardians'..........to keep children safe, and to not expose any child to anything that could harm them in any way.......these pageants, and the dress ups on stage, in inappropriate garments, while performing inappropriate dance routines, are not healthy, or wholesome, or educational. what upsets us the most though, is how others discount it as trivial. its not. it should never be. these children are to be treasured and nurtured and loved. not paraded like dolls and dressed up like toys.
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14 years ago
We've just read all your posts and now have a bloody headache. lol . We certainly don't want to debate against you folks, thanks for the spirited posts,compelling arguments all round but now can I have some nurofen? final thoughts - girls like to feel like princesses , ideally there should'nt be any winners or losers , we say trophies and tiaras to all .( most adult women still enjoy being a princess and dress up on their wedding day, not a bad thing to feel special) .stop televising pageant shows and weirdos cant watch ( don't tune in , poor ratings, means no show), and if the kids are'nt smiling perhaps they should do something else - if it was child abuse would our state goverments allow it to continue...? and there will always be shitty parents -pageant mums or sport dads, unfortunately thats the sad reality.
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14 years ago
...so how about if we televise weddings and divorces instead? I like a good party and love Judge Judy! | Quoting 'sexynewcpl' Ideally there should'nt be any winners or losers , we say trophies and tiaras to all ...most adult women still enjoy being a princess and dress up on their wedding day, not a bad thing to feel special And besides....I can still do one hell of an Elvis impersonation and somehow singing "Only Fools Fall in Love" at a wedding would almost be prophetic...if not poetic. | You rock.....time to roll. | And please...don't step on my blue suede shoes!
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14 years ago
Interesting, MrsP..and not here certainly but perhaps something we could have a deep and meaningful about. I have some experience with the WA legal schemes regarding how children can and are looked after under the law and have represented a number of clients that are Victorian based in estate and child welfare issues. Long story short...the law there still allows custody and care where it should never be placed e.g. a mistake made in an estate settlement (insurance and investment proceeds paid to a singularly held and controlled ATF account) resulted in the distribution of just on $1,500,000 to an ex-spouse (non-custodial however appointed as such at the time of her ex-husband's death) and her defacto who had no less than six month previously been convicted of child abuse of her children whilst on a court ordered visit with the ex-wife. He was given the minimum sentence of a small "bad boy" bond and six months probation for battering a 6 year old. However once in her hands....there was no formal legal compulsion to act in accordance to the deceased wishes and the precedent document of a Will had been voided upon their divorce. Getting messy, isn't it? | Under the law...she became their legal guardian and under her stupidity and lack of caring for her own children...the defacto became the new step father if not by law by presence. She was then able to simply file a petition and had the children's names reverted and hyphenated complete separating them by name from the family. I probably could fill a page with this...but we took it "off-line" and got the money in a Victorian based CMT and named the grandfather as a joint trustee with ex-spouse, and it takes two to sign off anything. The kids are now looked after financially for the rest of their lives and "somehow" there is now a third party advocate with legal discretion watching over the care of the children and how they are treated. Bad story...good ending. | Maybe sometime we can put our feet up around a campfire and talk more about the law, the loopholes and what we really need to be getting our shorts in a knot about as the law does not always accomplish what it should nor what was intended. If you are a good little girl...I might even let you puff on my cohiba. | Outlaws don't always play by the rules...
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14 years ago
further to the story here......watched the mother of a 3 year old who had been dressed up as julia roberts and portraying a prostitute, make a feeble attempt to defend her actions. there is no defence. not ever.
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