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Turning gay after marriage
February 16 2015
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AnnieWhichway
11 years ago
Of men have turned gay after marriage. Know a few myself. So its probably even stevens. The ones I know all had an inkling of what they liked before and during hetro relationships but the stigma of society made it safer to stay in the closet until the realisation that its their life too and you only get one go at it. All are happy. Except the ex wifes........
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RHP User
11 years ago
I know ppl from both sexes that have gone from marriage/kids to a commited same sex relationship. One of my best friends , a while ago, left her husband. Had a child. Rang me and told me she had fallen in love with a woman. Had never ever had any feelings or urges to be with a women before that.They are still together after 15 yrs. She was so worried how I was going to take it when she told me. I didnt care, she's still the same. Only thing I told her I was pissed off about, was that we had been flat mates for a year, and never once did she hit on me!! Bitch !! Also have a friend whose husband left her for his best friend. She had trouble with dealing with that, because the best friend had been a part of their lives for many years, and it ended up being a love affair behind her back. But again, he is still with his same sex partner after many years. So yeah, probably most ppl know of someone thats happened to.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Apparently. The ex used to tell stories about heaps of airline pilots that went that way. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
it was that common.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I am sure it is either people who were always gay and got married just to fit in with social pressures or to have a family. Or maybe they were bi or pan-sexual. That is their marriage broke up and then met someone and fell in love. Doesn't matter if it was male or female. I know a few women that have done this. A woman I know did this she had been in a LTR relationship with a friend of mine for 10 years and then left him for a woman. The story goes that when she told him that she had met someone else, his first words to her were. "So who is she". Anyway, that FF relationship lasted a few years but broke up as well, and she went out looking for a new place to live and went to see a flat. A woman lived there, and the minute they both clapped eyes on each other they instantly fell in love. This new woman had always dated men, loved men, had never had any attraction to women before at all... but she told me the minute she laid eyes on my friend she knew she was the one. Amazing eh! Mind you, I can never get my head around who some people are never single.... they all ways have someone in the wings or someone magically appears the day after they break up with someone. How do people do that?
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RHP User
11 years ago
I have male friends who have married for a family and because I think they can't accept their sexuality. Funny how they turn up to things with the wife and their "new" male friend who happens to go out with them so often. Amazes me how the wife just can't see it.
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MsJonesy
11 years ago
What makes you think she can't see it and is just choosing to ignore? Happy families and all that. To stay on topic, not acknowledging the signs happens, those subtle indicators that appear during a relationship. They are there, just not picked up on...happened with two of my friends.
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RHP User
11 years ago
At biaustralia the majority of men are overwhelmingly over 40 ! My bi side surfaced post marriage, no suppression on my part, going along to get along is so not me, I just accept it as part of my maturity.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'kissk' What makes you think she can't see it and is just choosing to ignore? Happy families and all that. To stay on topic, not acknowledging the signs happens, those subtle indicators that appear during a relationship. They are there, just not picked up on...happened with two of my friends. Nope. This guy has had numerous girlfriends and I am 99% sure none of them would have realized and I damn well know he would never ever tell them.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I turned celibate after marriage. Totally not my decision though lol
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RHP User
11 years ago
a girl who's relationships were straight, straight,straight, gay committed relationship for 6 years, back to straight. Perhaps sexuality is fluid, like love.... - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Maybe when you are younger most people's focus is on having kids and reproducing. Whether that is a natural state or something people do because it is the done thing? Maybe that biological urge is so strong when you are young that it masks people's bisexuality, so when you are older and have had children your focus turns more to experimentation and pleasure.
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RHP User
11 years ago
As a queer identifying individual that if we were born into a society that didn't reject homosexuality and same sex unions a lot of people would feel more at ease to assert their sexuality, gender identity and personality both in relationships and out of them. I know, and have head of so many people that have known this about themselves, or have come to discover this facet of their personality only to feel a deep seated shame or regelation for who they are and what they feel. I still feel it today. I think it's a very brave thing to be queer and advertise it openly when there exists people that oppose who you are. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Shame or rejection* - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
My friend from my ole military days, turned after 15 years of marriage and three kids later. .surprising is with another of our friends who has always been gay. . hadn't seen each other in that time , and voila ...now have relocated and live together . ...seem happy, I see kinks but I wish them the best. . My thoughts. .after a disastrous marriage, emotional abuse, turmoil, fights even after separation over kids etc. ... .maybe the idea is much more desirable. .???. ..mmm. .thinking about it myself ! . .. .lol
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Cheekyarses
11 years ago
Mr Cheeky & I have been married 21yrs this year! The minister who married us - seemed like a very happy & in love man with his wife and 4 children! Almost about a year after we were married we were told the minister who married us had left his wife for a man. To this day I'm sure he is still with the same man. At the fitness centre I work out their are two lots of female couples who had been married before and left their husbands for women. Who knows why it happens! I do not judge as I do not know their full story - as long as they are happy - then more power to them x - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
I think you have elucidated my tangled thoughts beautifully.
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RHP User
11 years ago
That left their wives to be with men they loved. Both knew they were gay when they got married, or at least deeply suspected it. But like anywhichway said, the stigma of society and their fears led them to try and hide it. One couple are still together after many years and the ex wife has adapted reasonably well. The other guy was dumped when his partner found someone else less than two years later.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Not sure why... Possibly I was extending my annoyance at ex-husband to all of the male gender and therefore could not find them attractive. I am bi though not lesbian- just went through girl phases after marriage break downs. Xxviolet
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Lovinit28andKC72
11 years ago
I don't think you just turn gay, it's something that is already there. It's whether or not you have to opportunity to open your mind to the possibility of exploring it.....💋
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RHP User
11 years ago
Most people marry way too young and are still have not reached the point of knowing for themselves what make them who they are. I don't believe it is a matter of denial. Tastes change as you mature. It's how you embrace that change is what matters. Ms S
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RHP User
11 years ago
I think sexuality is fluid and if there weren't so many societal conventions against same sex experiences, they would be a lot more common. I know both male and female same-sex couples who were married with kids prior to their current relationships and they just happened to fall in love with someone of the same gender. I don't think it's a coincidence that it happens later in life for a lot of people either, it coincides with that wonderful phase of life where you start to care more about what you want than what other people think. I love being in my 40s
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N4November
11 years ago
That I'm only straight as I haven't found the perfect woman for me yet. Never say never so I'm keeping an open mind!
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RHP User
11 years ago
I don't think there is any one answer...some people repress their sexuality to follow a conventional lifestyle..this is a choice they make because a conventional lifestyle is more important to them than challenging the expectations and views of family and friends...I have a friend who thought she had the perfect marriage,until overnight,literally ,her husband left her for a man...their children were in their late teens and he felt he could now live a more authentic life...ten years later she still hasn't recovered....but people change,who we are at twenty -five is not who we are at forty- five...our life circumstances change too...IMO it's usually when people are in their forties that timing and inclination meet,and that's when the personal journey either continues or begins......I love that it's more common now for young people to be more open and eager to explore the different permutations of their sexuality and to have much more support in their choices...of course it is not always easy and still many people suffer,but it is now on our social agenda...ironic indeed that Tony Abbots sister is gay,she had a conventional marriage and now lives with a woman..Her brother though .vehemently doesn't support gay marriage....if you are a teacher and work for a faith based organisation and are openly gay,chances are your job will be in jeopardy,and the chances of promotion nil....So while attitudes are changing many people still don't feel that they can live authentic lives.xxFreya
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RHP User
11 years ago
My husband left me because he figured out he was gay. 14 years and 3 children. I can assure you it happens and it's not very nice when it does! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Lovinit28' I don't think you just turn gay, it's something that is already there. It's whether or not you have to opportunity to open your mind to the possibility of exploring it.....💋 I've also met women who were married, but ended up in a gay relationship. I too believe that you don't turn gay, but these women weren't necessarily repressing anything I think. One woman told me she was madly in love with her husband and never doubted she was anything but straight, until she met the woman she is now with. It wasn't that she was in denial about being gay, it had just never occurred to her that it was an option. I think it's kinda like me never giving any thought to the notion there could be any kind of healthy relationship that wasn't a monogamous one. Now I've discovered polyamory however, I don't think I can go back. Maybe it's like a button that's inside someone, lying dormant and going completely unnoticed, until one day someone or something presses it?
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RHP User
11 years ago
I feel for the partner that gets left behind and for who the marriage or relationship was a lie. In most cases, the partner left behind has found it very difficult to move forward. In each case, it leaves the partner who was left behind wondering what they did wrong etc. and a lot of unanswered questions. In most cases, there was always a lot of animosity from the partner left behind. I know of probably 8 such relationships..........5 of them the men left for other men and in three the woman left for another woman. Unfortunately, all of them had children and long term relationships/marriages
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RHP User
11 years ago
You like the picture of his cock, you meet, you fuck. None of this 20 messages 10 coffees, a lobster dinner and 2 bottles of bubbly to discover you are a nice guy and just made a new (non) fucking friend !
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RHP User
11 years ago
the drama about Dr Bill Masters and Virginia Johnson's study of human sexuality conducted in the 1950's A subplot of the story is that Masters friend and Dean of the Washington University is gay, although married for over 30 years and father to one child In the drama he informs Bill of his homosexuality and declares that he does love his wife and his life but cannot fight his attraction for men and acting upon this, a total no no in the 1950's where family, community standing and image is the absolute fabric of society. Masters agrees to go with his friend as he subjects himself to electro convulsive treatment, designed to induce physical sickness if this man has homosexual thoughts. Remember its the 1950's and even Masters for all his sexual discoveries and studies believed that people could be cured of their homosexual tendancies Without posting a spoiler alert you can only imagine how this subplot line plays out (tragic and sad) . Thank god we have come a long long way with our attitudes and acceptance and I applaud any who are brave enough to live the life they were truly born to live without fear, shame or ridicule.
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RHP User
11 years ago
My wife of 15 years left me. I could never make her as happy as she is with her girlfriend. There really isn't much I could do, they played, fell in love and I just sat back and watched, I could have fought but why? It's just preventing her being who she is... It didn't hurt so much as the loss of a friend (her girlfriend is extremely territorial and has ruined our friendship) The pain was the breakup of the family. Its very hard to be away from my boys and I know its better that it happened now rather than in 10-20 years time so she can be who she really is. But I wished I got more time with my boys. Then there is the very personal betrayals which followed but I'll save that for another story but nevertheless I lost out big on all fronts, but my boys are happy and they are my focus.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I tend to think that womens sexuality tends to be a lot more fluid over time where as guys tend to be a lot more fixed between either gay, straight and bi and gay men generally know they were gay from an early age. Society pressure has a huge influence in guys and girls either not knowing themselves fully or being too scared to come out of the closet. Recognition of gay marriage would be a big step to giving people the confidence to be who they want and know themselves to be. Cheers, W
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RHP User
11 years ago
I think everyone is somewhere along a continuum, and life experiences and situations bring out which sex you are attracted to. For me my first divorce was at 21... I lived with my gf for 3 years from 22... No one knew we were in anything other than a platonic relationship... I was a primary teacher and I didn't want the stigma for my son as he grew older... She eventually left for a guy because she wanted to have a normal family... Later I married my next husband (who was my phd supervisor) I loved his mind as opposed to male physicality... Sexuality is just sexuality... To me I love people... Xxviolet
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RHP User
11 years ago
Personally I think every single healthy one of us is bisexual. We can fall in love with anyone, we can lust after anyone. There are plenty of women I have no desire at all to have sex with , that does not make me gay. The same goes for men and it does not make me straight. Every now and then I meet someone, male or female that stirs my loins, some times they stir love, and even fewer times they stir both. Or society teaches us to suppress inappropriate feelings so we end up with people that have become so good at suppressing sexual needs that they identify as straight, or gay. Both of which I think is simple suppression of natural tendencies. There are so many males that will turn to violence at the mere suggestion that they are bi and i have meet gay men that find women utterly repulsive, this is psychological and unnatural. Women not so much violent but there are some that are also extremely anti bi and gay women who hate men for no reason but that they are men. To hate or suppress sexual and loving feeling towards a gender to me just seems wrong and completely unnatural. A corruption of our humanity. Women who find love in the same sex after marriage are in my view just doing what they have always done. They are attracted to other humans and do not consider gender as part of the equation.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I don't know of any friends business or personal that swapped sides while married., or at least not to my knowledge. Many years ago I knew a guy who lived a double life who we lost him to HIV.. Apart from that ' zilch.. Go figure.. ?
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RHP User
11 years ago
I have absolutely no interest in women whatsoever so I wouldn't agree that everyone is bisexual. I have had intimate encounters with women, some were good, some not so good but it was an experience not a desire and since then I still have no real desire but if the occasion called for play then I would. I am not repulsed by women, I can appreciate a nice looking one but as far as getting to know one for a sexual relationship there would be no way in hell because sometimes I wonder how you guys put up with us!
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RHP User
11 years ago
Interesting theory BM. I don't think a lot of it is deliberately suppressed though, I think it blooms and wanes as needed. I had homo experiences as a kid and then moved on to a heterosexual life with wife and kids, now at times I enjoy both, at no time have I felt like I was forcing or denying any of it, it just turned up and I allowed it.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I started writing a novel in response, but have deleted it. I was married for 19 years with 2 beautiful young daughters. Life was going ok, or so I thought. Completely out of the blue, while on a Bali holiday in June, I was told that she didn't love me anymore and she wanted me to move out when we got home. In stunned silence I'm being told all my faults. It was all news to me. I asked if we could go to counselling to be told it's too late for that and wouldn't be any use. Anyway, it's not until a month after I've moved out that I find out what was really happening, and that was only by chance... In January we had kindly offered her lesbian friend from the gym our spare room while she got back on her feet after a massive breakup with her girlfriend. It was only meant to be a couple of weeks while she sorted out something else. Anyway, a month after I'd moved out there was a one of those Facebook notifications on our joint e-mail account were my ex was tagged in a post from the lesbian house guest - Out partying with my girlfriend, (insert ex's name here). I asked her about it and she said it had just happened and they had only been together a week.... (I found out from other sources that it had been happening right under my nose for a lot longer than that...possibly for the whole 6 months since she had moved into the spare room...) I can't really answer the question why without a lot of speculation on my part. Was she always a lesbian trying to be straight or did she just become one over time? I can tell you that she had a very low libido. Sex quickly became an infrequent starfish experience after only a year of marriage. I suspect that a little more frequent sex and we may have been able to avoid using IVF to have our girls - the doctors couldn't find anything medically wrong with either of us... I hadn't had sex in the last 18 months of our marriage... Thank goodness for internet porn... How did it make me feel? Initially I didn't know the reason of the break up. She had heaped a lot of blame on me telling me it was all my fault - it hurt me deeply. I have as many flaws as the next person but I'm not the uncaring monster I was made out to be... When I worked out the real reason for the split I was pissed off and felt betrayed that after sharing a life together for 19 years she couldn't be honest with me and tell me that she had started another relationship. Frankly, I don't think it wouldn't have mattered if it was a woman, a man or an alien. Anyway, that's my story. I've probably gone into way too much detail, aired way too much dirty laundry and ended up writing the novel I was trying to avoid....
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' Personally I think every single healthy one of us is bisexual. We can fall in love with anyone, we can lust after anyone. .... To hate or suppress sexual and loving feeling towards a gender to me just seems wrong and completely unnatural. A corruption of our humanity. It's generally accepted these days that there is a continuum from totally straight to totally bi. Some are going to be at either end. There are clearly many perfectly healthy and well adjusted individuals who have zero interest in the same sex, just as there are many who have zero interest in the opposite sex. There are also those that assume others that are not like them are dysfunctional in some way. Obviously this affliction can strike the straight, gay and the bi.
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RHP User
11 years ago
A friend's wife left him for another woman though after 10+yrs of marriage and a couple of kids. I didn't know her well and don't know how long it lasted. My friend however was quite bitter, to the point where I stopped seeing him because he became a right pain in the arse. My impression was that compared to others I've known whose wives have left them for another man, he handled it very poorly. My friend turned into a woman hater in general, while others tend to just hate the one woman in particular. Not sure if it's any better or worse having a loved one leave for another the same sex compared to the opposite. I guess we'd need someone unfortunate enough to have experienced both to enlighten us.
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gazpacho
11 years ago
Snort. Having a mature attitude to your own sexuality takes time. I can't imagine anyone just waking up one day and saying, "I'm going to be gay now". I suppose sometimes a person's image of themselves doesn't match their true sexuality, and discovering attractions, then exploring them when they are in conflict with ones self image is challenging, unsettling and perhaps really scary. You know... "Who am I?" questions are unsettling. All this conflict and shoehorning makes me appreciate how unimportant the labels are. Just do what your body is telling you to do and sort out the intellectual side in your retirement village memoires. Hugs Gazza
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RHP User
11 years ago
As a bloke who has never married, I can can say that my sexual attraction has changed over the years. I started out definitely hetro, experimented with same sex, preferred men for a while and now prefer women these days. I have friends who have left marriages for same sex relationships (both males and females), but I don't believe their marriages were a sham. Each time I was saddened by the fact that marriages ended, but happy that the person had the courage to pursue who they were/are. Some, when they left their partner, I thought about it and maybe there were signs, but other I say no. I certainly was not easy on the person leaving the marriage or the one left behind..... no-one is a winner. Perhaps not having married allowed me to explore my sexuality freely and become comfortable with it.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I was married but since then I've felt like I wanted to explore ,,, never had any tendencies ,,, but I truly equate it to being in uni ,,, can see all the bright lights but il be happy with the standard menu ,, but with the foresight to accept whatever menu others choose ,,, I can live with that - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'SimonDoes' Quoting 'Blindman67' Personally I think every single healthy one of us is bisexual. We can fall in love with anyone, we can lust after anyone. .... To hate or suppress sexual and loving feeling towards a gender to me just seems wrong and completely unnatural. A corruption of our humanity. It's generally accepted these days that there is a continuum from totally straight to totally bi. Some are going to be at either end. There are clearly many perfectly healthy and well adjusted individuals who have zero interest in the same sex, just as there are many who have zero interest in the opposite sex. There are also those that assume others that are not like them are dysfunctional in some way. Obviously this affliction can strike the straight, gay and the bi. What would you know. Do some of your own research and then come back with some facts, not some crap you read in a popular magazine. It is generally accepted that all higher primates are bisexual. There have been many studies in to primate behavior and despite peoples wish to distance them selves from our cousins we still are still primates. Your wish to identify with set labels does not change the fact that you are only an upright ape, sharing the same brain and same social drives and needs. Please refrain from name calling, it is not acceptable behavior in forums. You should know better.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'ralf74' I have absolutely no interest in women whatsoever so I wouldn't agree that everyone is bisexual. I have had intimate encounters with women, some were good, some not so good but it was an experience not a desire and since then I still have no real desire but if the occasion called for play then I would. I am not repulsed by women, I can appreciate a nice looking one but as far as getting to know one for a sexual relationship there would be no way in hell because sometimes I wonder how you guys put up with us! I currently have no desire for anyone, not in love, and not lusting, though I am bisexual because of my past behavior and the probabilities of future behavior. As there is such a stigma associated with human sexuality it is very difficult to discus without many taking personal offense. Thus I say this not to offend or judge, just to describe. As you have had, and do not reject the idea of having sex with the same sex you are classified as bisexual. You may not identify with the label but identifying with a label does not make you that. I do not consider a relationship be it sexual or not as relevant to ones sexuality. Love is something that is not part of sex. Love and lust combined is great, but love without lust is still as strong. Who you love does not define your sexuality. IMHO. Sometimes I wonder how anyone puts up with anyone. We are very much social animals, we must have human company. One of the most inhuman things you can do to a human is isolate them from other humans. We put up with each other because loneliness is far far worse than any of the petty annoyances others may have.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Who knows where it will be found and with who. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
It sounds like our lives have turned out similarly. I still have my best friend but I can see it going the way yours has. I too focus on my boys, who are also happy and it makes things easier. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
My terminology of 'turning gay' was to reflect the apparent situation for lack of a better word, not to imply people make a choice of being gay. I do think that some people are born gay, but I also think some choose it and if that is what they want then so be it, each to their own.
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RHP User
11 years ago
After 17 years of marriage my ex took off with a chick, then I dated a girl whose husband had jumped the fence too. Why????? I'll never know and don't want to know. Because I'm as happy as I've ever been thanks Xxxx - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' Personally I think every single healthy one of us is bisexual. .... To hate or suppress sexual and loving feeling towards a gender to me just seems wrong and completely unnatural. A corruption of our humanity.What would you know. Do some of your own research and then come back with some facts, not some crap you read in a popular magazine. It is generally accepted that all higher primates are bisexual. There have been many studies in to primate behavior and despite peoples wish to distance them selves from our cousins we still are still primates. Your wish to identify with set labels does not change the fact that you are only an upright ape, sharing the same brain and same social drives and needs. I am a "Higher Primate"...who just happens to have a biology degree. Blindman... I love your musings ..... but Scientists have a lot to say about broad and gross generalisations.... although, they generally shorten it all down to being "crap" But.... what concerns me more than the incorrect assumptions towards primate bisexuality.... is that your opinion is that everyone who associates themselves as being straight is by inference, "unhealthy" and in denial of some kind of predetermined evolutionary sexual disposition towards biexuality. Sexual shaming, Blindman..... not enlightened... and not cool.... and far from scientific.
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Seachange73
11 years ago
I know of a couple of people. One good fri nd of ky own ex fiance, with whom he ended buying and sharing a house with, was marred for 10+years and she had 2 young boys. As a chef she worked long hours in the evening and fell in love with one of the female colleagues. she left her husband. Th relationship did not last but she definitely prefers women now. No ambiguity abiut her sexuality. We chatted over a glass of wine or two about being bisexual and she definitely is not attracted to men whatsoever. As for me I'm attracted to men only. No desire to play with women. My sexual preference.
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RHP User
11 years ago
no one 'turns gay'...after marriage or anything...'gay' doesnt just 'happen'...any more than'bi' does...you are either straight...gay....or bi...and thats how you are born....as a bi guy, comfortable with his sexuality, and happily married to a very understanding and supportive wife... i can say that in previous relationships and marriage, i lived a lie, one of denial...something these people were more likely doing than not. perhaps they came to an understanding, or realization....about their own sexuality and finally accepted the truth of it...but you dont just suddenly 'turn gay'.
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AnnieWhichway
11 years ago
Beg to differ in your assessment that no one turns gay after marriage or anything. What about the many cases of victims of sexual assault/abuse inflicted upon them by member of their opposite sex, whether previously known to them or strangers. Such experience can be permanently traumatic and turn them to the safety of their own gender. Nothing to laugh at
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RHP User
11 years ago
I have 3 seperate guys in my cirle that are with other guys since becomming divorced and they all have children as well. One of my friends got divorced and he proclaimed he was gay and his ex wife proclaimed she was a lesbian and now thy are in same sex long term relationships.. Neither know about the others tendencies..
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RHP User
11 years ago
Hmmm in this day and age isn't it a minefield to say "turn gay" ? Isn't the PC brigade all up in arms about being born this way or that way or some other orientation based upon on a spectrum irrelevant of physical genitalia or chromosomal encoding? The world has sure turned fast in the past 30 years. My head is spinning! I only say this as a self identified male lesbian who has only recently come out as an Emerald Dragon. Try not to judge me too harshly. I am really in the minority. Mr Taikun
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' you are only an upright ape, sharing the same brain and same social drives and needs. Please refrain from name calling, it is not acceptable behavior in forums. You should know better. Where does Simon call anyone names? And to say everyone is bi? "It is generally accepted that all higher primates are bisexual." I must have missed that memo. Where is your research? (And this is coming from a bi woman.)
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RHP User
11 years ago
Shaming??? Come on mr biology degree show me some monkey love that considers cultural defined gender roles above lust and the need to get it on. Why would you feel so strongly against the concept that we are all naturally bisexual and that cultural enforced sexuality is a corruption of our natural sexuality? Only humans understand gender and every culture is different. I would speculate that if you were raised in a more liberal and sexual free society you would enjoy the warmth of a human rather than be repulsed. I bet you would find it unsettling if you were unsure of the gender even though all outward appearances were of the opposite sex. Like so many the mere possibility of bisexuality is disturbing. Tell me i am wrong. A man can be as tender and intimate as a woman, and when entwined in each others arm, eyes closed you can not tell the difference between the genders. It is only the conscious mind that rejects, give it a try you will find it liberating and will give you a wonderful insight into what it is to be a sexual male, rather than the very limited personal view you have now.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Blindman I didn't of course do any name calling, but one that comes to mind now is troll.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Maybe tender with another woman not another guy Ffs. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'ralf74' My terminology of 'turning gay' was to reflect the apparent situation for lack of a better word, not to imply people make a choice of being gay. I do think that some people are born gay, but I also think some choose it and if that is what they want then so be it, each to their own. Totally disagree with this statement. You don't choose to be gay. You choose to suppress your real self because society are so limited in their thinking and acceptance of people and who they really are. Some people experiment and come to the conclusion that it isn't for them. Fair enough. But I have to say Ralf, you consider yourself to be a dinky di straight person.... yet you play with women in group situations. Most people would tell you that you are not 100% straight at all. You just haven't met the right woman yet.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'BellaRH' Maybe tender with another woman not another guy Ffs. - Posted from rhpmobile This statement is utterly untrue. I think you guys are living in the 1950's some times from the way you answer questions. You must be the most.. well to be honest.... closed minded swingers I have ever met. I am not actually sure if you do it get a raise out of people or if you really as close minded as you come across. I go to bi-sexual parties where there maybe about 40 bi-sexual men, sometimes more some times less, and I see more kissing and tenderness there than I have ever seen at a Couples Club or OSS. I would say men are very tender with each other at times. Obviously they can be rough too, but men fall in love with each other and can care for each other too you know. That isn't the exclusive right of a male & female couples you know.
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RHP User
11 years ago
My husband and I seperated after 15yrs together and he is now living with another man. I think we had our issues as some couples do but I think it was him meeting this other man that really made him see the light. For me I wanted to experiment after this as I wanted to truly know how I felt about women. I think I enjoy women and find them very alluring sexually. Yet to know whether I would have a relationship with a women though. I suppose you never know till it happens. Life is too short you must live it how you feel inside. :)
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RHP User
11 years ago
She started out straight, then lesbian, then straight, then bi and is now transgender at the ripe old age of 22. He is now happy and is accepted by all. An older female family friend who is now in her early 70s was engaged to a guy for 2 years and thought he was the most patient gentleman not pressuring her for sex. She was left at the alter as he ran off with his boyfriend. Back in those days coming out of the closet was a lot tougher than now. I guess when faced with the ultimate choice of being straight or following his true sexual being ... truth won out. Good for him but his dishonesty left her feeling betrayed and humiliated and even 50 years later she still brings it up. At the end of the day, we are, who we are and we should embrace it. Diversity is a wonderful thing. LG
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RHP User
11 years ago
Would definitely be due to wife not satisfying him and turning him off women.. Other word's usually a bitch of a woman who should stay single lol, and a reason there a sexist joke's about marrying a woman.. - Posted from rhpmobile
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fastbgood
11 years ago
I considered myself to be totally straight, but lately been feeling a bit curious about same sex stuff. Not that I feel attracted to men, but feel funny in my pants when I think about sexy times with another man and have found myself fantasising a little as well. Haven't found it to be really confusing, but I'm trying to keep an open mind. Want to try it out in the right setting, possibly with a couple with a bi man, just to not freak myself out. Guess if it works out, I'll have twice the fun ;)
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' Shaming??? Come on mr biology degree show me some monkey love that considers cultural defined gender roles above lust and the need to get it on. Why would you feel so strongly against the concept that we are all naturally bisexual and that cultural enforced sexuality is a corruption of our natural sexuality? Only humans understand gender and every culture is different. I would speculate that if you were raised in a more liberal and sexual free society you would enjoy the warmth of a human rather than be repulsed. I bet you would find it unsettling if you were unsure of the gender even though all outward appearances were of the opposite sex. Like so many the mere possibility of bisexuality is disturbing. Tell me i am wrong. A man can be as tender and intimate as a woman, and when entwined in each others arm, eyes closed you can not tell the difference between the genders. It is only the conscious mind that rejects, 97)give it a try you will find it liberating and will give you a wonderful insight into what it is to be a sexual male, rather than the very limited personal view you have now. My...limited view? I suggest that assuming your own bisexuality as superior to any and all other forms of sexuality, is considerably more of a patronising limitation than the enlightened position you are seeking to elevate yourself to. You chide those who do not conform to your sexual preferences as being "unhealthy" and having somehow had a flawed parents and a substandard upbringing...... and somehow.... responsible... for me turning out Heterosexual??? That is such an obnoxious and arrogant slur to Homosexuals who will suggest that their sexual preferences are a result of their genes.... and offensive to Heterosexuals who have no interest in their own gender on a sexual level... possibly also due to their genes. Intimacy and compassion are not gender specific traits. I can hug my grieving father, or friend... doesn't mean I want to fuck them. I can hug a crying child. Same outcome. I can nurse a sick bloody cat with the most attentive and nurturing care required..... but that doesn't mean Im sexually attracted to it.... male or female. You say you do not lust for anyone at present.... do I label you as an Asexual? Would you object?!! After all, you're a non-practicing bisexual.... just a s you assume heterosexuals are non-practicing repressed bisexuals. And that leads me to your suggestion that I try bisexuality.... something which does not interest me..... and you say that is really because of social pressures which prevent me. Really?If I suggest you "try" serial killing...... your flawed argument would see you go and do it, because... you just might like it if society didn't frown on it! On this topic.... are wrong. Flat, out. wrong. The one redeeming feature of your last post, is that there is always room to admit an error.Apologizing for ones mistakes is NOT gender, sexuality or intellect specific... and something all higher primates (humans) are capable of. DG
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'lildonjuan' Would definitely be due to wife not satisfying him and turning him off women.. Other word's usually a bitch of a woman who should stay single lol, and a reason there a sexist joke's about marrying a woman.. - Posted from rhpmobile Hilarious! Now here is man who has left a trail of very unsatisfied women in his wake I reckon! LMAO
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LetsFrolic
11 years ago
Lol im the opposite.. people assume i have gay tendencies but all i want is a wife and kids haha - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
I'd keep keep going, but I doubt you could even hear any rational argument from that enormously high perch of yours. Whatever. Lildonjuan (is that a reference to your cock size?), so it's bitches that make men turn gay? That's cute, the LGBT community would just eat you up.
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RHP User
11 years ago
DG Wow a beautiful outburst due to sexual repression. Re read your post and tell me which part is logic argument and which is babbling defensive rant. Yes I do suggest you are bisexual but socially programmed by a corrupt and sexual repressed society to think sexuality is fixed and tied to gender rolls. The evidence is over overwhelmingly in support of the irrelevance of gender when it come to sexuality. Those that must fixate on the gender of another human have allowed themselves to be corrupted by a system designed to promote growth and dominance. It is a shame the people can not see this nor even understand what they are part of. As our society becomes more liberal in its attitudes and thus tolerant of human sexuality, more and more people feel free to revert to their natural sexuality. I know for a fact that when given a random sample of people that the vast majority are bisexual, I know that most bisexual men (and women) do not advertise this due to social pressures to conform. Bisexuality is the norm, true heterosexuality and homosexuality do not exist in nature and many cultures. This is how I see the world and I am supported by a very large body of research and evidence. If this is somehow offensive to you then it would pay for you to work out why rather then rant in defense of what is so plainly obvious to most. Again I will ask, do you have any understanding of other males in terms of sexual intimacy. Bonding via sex opens up a vista of knowledge that is not available without that intimacy. How can you possible argue a point when you have absolute no experience. You presume you are incapable of true same sex intimacy yet you have nothing but repression and stereo typed thought processes to back up your claim. Its not your fault, blame society, but I have every right to think you are corrupted into an unnatural and contrived sexuality. It is your loss not mine.
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AnnieWhichway
11 years ago
Few leave this old tranny speechless........... You have, for a few seconds. You're just a kid. Don't worry, the grey matter between yours ears develops after you get your first root. Hope its soon because you no one deserves to go too long with an attitude like that
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' I'd keep keep going, but I doubt you could even hear any rational argument from that enormously high perch of yours. Whatever. I am glad you stopped, your rationality and irrefutable logic was beginning to undermine my core beliefs. Shit I almost considered aligning my self to the LGBT movement so that I could get a gander at these memos you make mention of as I seem to be out of the loop in that regard. Guess I am not as important as you and not on the in crowd's mailing list. Oh well ill make do...
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RHP User
11 years ago
And another. Quoting 'lildonjuan' Would definitely be due to wife not satisfying him and turning him off women.. Other word's usually a bitch of a woman who should stay single lol, and a reason there a sexist joke's about marrying a woman.. - Posted from rhpmobile Nah...... you're not worth it. DG
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Fitz4U2' I started writing a novel in response, but have deleted it. I was married for 19 years with 2 beautiful young daughters. Life was going ok, or so I thought. Completely out of the blue, while on a Bali holiday in June, I was told that she didn't love me anymore and she wanted me to move out when we got home. In stunned silence I'm being told all my faults. It was all news to me. I asked if we could go to counselling to be told it's too late for that and wouldn't be any use. Anyway, it's not until a month after I've moved out that I find out what was really happening, and that was only by chance... In January we had kindly offered her lesbian friend from the gym our spare room while she got back on her feet after a massive breakup with her girlfriend. It was only meant to be a couple of weeks while she sorted out something else. Anyway, a month after I'd moved out there was a one of those Facebook notifications on our joint e-mail account were my ex was tagged in a post from the lesbian house guest - Out partying with my girlfriend, (insert ex's name here). I asked her about it and she said it had just happened and they had only been together a week.... (I found out from other sources that it had been happening right under my nose for a lot longer than that...possibly for the whole 6 months since she had moved into the spare room...) I can't really answer the question why without a lot of speculation on my part. Was she always a lesbian trying to be straight or did she just become one over time? I can tell you that she had a very low libido. Sex quickly became an infrequent starfish experience after only a year of marriage. I suspect that a little more frequent sex and we may have been able to avoid using IVF to have our girls - the doctors couldn't find anything medically wrong with either of us... I hadn't had sex in the last 18 months of our marriage... Thank goodness for internet porn... How did it make me feel? Initially I didn't know the reason of the break up. She had heaped a lot of blame on me telling me it was all my fault - it hurt me deeply. I have as many flaws as the next person but I'm not the uncaring monster I was made out to be... When I worked out the real reason for the split I was pissed off and felt betrayed that after sharing a life together for 19 years she couldn't be honest with me and tell me that she had started another relationship. Frankly, I don't think it wouldn't have mattered if it was a woman, a man or an alien. Anyway, that's my story. I've probably gone into way too much detail, aired way too much dirty laundry and ended up writing the novel I was trying to avoid.... Your story and feelings are the same as mine and I think what stays with me today is. The feeling of so many wasted years as it was my 2nd marriage. Yes we had children and I would never want to change that part. But I felt like it was betrayal as I was the one person who thought new him most and he couldnt even tell me this very personal detail of how he felt.
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RHP User
11 years ago
no offense Would definitely be due to wife not satisfying him and turning him off women.. Other word's usually a bitch of a woman who should stay single lol, and a reason there a sexist joke's about marrying a woman Wow! What a disgusting remark. My husband left me because he was gay. We had 14 wonderful years together. We also had a very full and very satisfying sex life. A few members on here will tell you I have no trouble finding my way around a mans body. You need to grow up and think about what you say and how it might make people feel. You know absolutely nothing about this situation clearly. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Cant be effed doing a serious response to lildon, his face pic looks like hes barely 18. Mentality much younger obviously. Why bother!!
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Seachange73
11 years ago
Seriously? Just grow up. No one is solely to blame for not achieving what you want in a relationship. there are two of you (at least) in every interaction and you are just as responsible for your level of happiness and satisfaction. Misogynistic comments are not held very highly in my eyes nor are any discriminatory comments. You will find I am not alone here and in the real world.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' Quoting 'ralf74' My terminology of 'turning gay' was to reflect the apparent situation for lack of a better word, not to imply people make a choice of being gay. I do think that some people are born gay, but I also think some choose it and if that is what they want then so be it, each to their own. Totally disagree with this statement. You don't choose to be gay. You choose to suppress your real self because society are so limited in their thinking and acceptance of people and who they really are. Some people experiment and come to the conclusion that it isn't for them. Fair enough. But I have to say Ralf, you consider yourself to be a dinky di straight person.... yet you play with women in group situations. Most people would tell you that you are not 100% straight at all. You just haven't met the right woman yet. from my sexual tendencies and I couldn't give a rat's about what society thinks of me. If I happened to be bi or lesbian, then my family would be fine with that as we are very close,open and free to be ourselves and that is the most important part of my society so I don't give a shit what any other part of society thinks. My job would also be fine with my sexuality seeing the broader my experiences are the better I know my job so I have no need to suppress anything. I just don't identify with being bi due to the lack of desire.
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RHP User
11 years ago
My thoughts are that labels are as much about how you wish to portray yourself to the world as anything else. They don't have to be scientifically correct, they just need to give people and some info has to how "you perceive yourself" to be so it helps others can understand where on the gender spectrum you sit. Someone can identify themselves eg as being straight because thats how they perceive themselves to be. They may or may not have had same sex experiences and partners previously. Likewise they may label themselves as bi even though they are in a monogomus opposite sex relationship and haven't had same sex sex for 10 years say. Just cause they haven't had same sex sex in 10 years doesn't mean they should be forced to rip up their bi identity card. For me I identify myself as as bi cause thats what I perceive myself to be. Yes I have some caveats in that there. There are some aspects of bi sex that I think about and there are also a lot of bi aspects that I know I wouldn't do though and that don't attract me. I have also never been with a same sex partner before. Now you could argue "are you really bi" cause you have never been with a same sex partner. My response to that is screw you ..... Thats how I feel inside and thats who I perceive myself to be to the wide world. Not accepting someones label no matter what it is .... I think thats pretty shit. As is queer people saying all people are queer and that hetro's are in denial. Cheers, W.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I never said you were suppressed or that you are worried about public opinion. I was just saying that you have played with women in group situations so a lot of people would not classify you as 100% straight. I am very similar to you in that respect, I am not into women but in a group situations I have played with women and it has been good ... however I did once fall for a woman which was a surprise to me. Therefore to me, if you are willing to play with women in group situations, it means that you would be open to more if you met the right woman. Never say never Ralf!
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RHP User
11 years ago
A girlfriend and I organized this MMFF bi group thing a few years ago. The first guy arrives, totally hot, so all good. Then he says "Does the other guy realize that I am straight" Both my GF and I stopped as our jaws hit the ground. What do you mean we said........ this is mean to be MM bi thing. Oh yes he says. I suck cock and I will fuck his arse but I have no interest in playing with men one on one... only in groups when women are involved. Riiiight. A straight man that sucks cock and butt fucks. COOL!!!!!!!!!! Tell you what, this guy had no gag reflex so watching him get face fucked was totally hot. I will never forget how my GF and I both gasped at the same time and literally swooned at the sight. MMMMM. Not bad for a straight man. So, in my opinion. When people say that they are totally straight... often not so much. MISCHEVIOUSLAD, just a genuine question. So in a group situation you wouldn't play with a guy at all, no touchies? Interesting really. I consider myself to be STRAIGHT BUT WITH A TWIST OF LEMON.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Just love that term.......Heteroflexible !
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RHP User
11 years ago
I saw an add on CL some time back and it was some guy warning every one that a some guys advertising to suck cock were not straight but gay, and that it was best to avoid them and chose him as he loved sucking cock and was totally straight and there for trustworthy. Hilarious
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67'I am supported by a very large body of research and evidence. would really like to have a look at some of this evidence Blindman. Can you please list some of the relevant journal article / book titles. Also, I'm keen to know how your theory accounts for the actions of people who identify as purely homosexual. If, as you state, those who don't identify as bi are afraid of expressing their true sexuality because of indoctrination by society / fear of societal sanctions, then why wouldn't all these people be following the dominant societal and cultural view of sexuality i.e. heterosexual? Why would they be willing to deal with all that prejudice, bigotry, and hatred, when they could just practice heterosexuality and fit right in? In some countries people can even still be put to death for having same-sex relations, so if deep down they really are also attracted to the opposite sex then why on earth would some put their very lives at risk by only having homosexual encounters? Doesn't make much sense to me...
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RHP User
11 years ago
Dear All, One of us had a partner who flew the Coop,jumped over the fence went to live with a pair of Intellectual Lesbians...There was a mix up in suppositions of orientation,and it all ended sadly for her...The Butch in the menage a trois had a very sadistic nature and our little Adventurer found herself out in the Cold...At some time love makes fools of us all,better experiment here!
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RHP User
11 years ago
Dear Rail 74, Appreciated your contribution....The Adventurer in our little experience,was a Church Mouse...Butter would not have melted in her mouth...When about 22 she shared a house with two other girls one of whom was much admired for her radical tendancies...She possibly wanted to be an extrovert but was trapped in the skin of an introvert...The only tangible evidence seen was her sharing a bath with our extrovert and being asked to enjoy!,let it flow...and a few giggles and moans...during 23 years of marriage she was a great wife,mother and very obliging lover...When the Children were grown up,she became obsessed with a Yoga Cult...She gave up sequentially Alcohol,meat,meat products,and sex, laudable in many ways,then she cut her shoulder length hair,several times actually,gave away any sexy underwear,jewellry..When teased about the sack cloth and ashes,she said she didn't want Men looking at her...The up shot?...well everyone was devastated,her Mother particularly...then after a few years she inherited a substantial bequest...the Cult became greedy wanted a share...she offered $60.000 but they declined and disowned her...she has reverted to Men and now seems normal (Is there such a thing) if rather subdued...So maybe better to fly and fall,than never fly at all,but still Sad Huh?
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RHP User
11 years ago
Looks like my reply has been "sanitized". I wonder why lol IE..... deleted. I may need to post it again 😊
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RHP User
11 years ago
Sexuality and gender are two separate things.If a man who considers himself straight and is not aroused by another man involved in a MFM scenario then why is he repressing his so called bi-ness.?If he is repulsed by the thought of any physical contact with the other man,then clearly he shouldn't be there in the first place...Perhaps we all have the potential to be bi ,straight .gay,whatever.I too would be interested to read the research that suggests we are all bi...but so what.We make choices in life about how we want to express our sexuality,group sex for instance is probably a remnant from our early ancestors where the bonding of groups was important for survival,but it leaves me cold..am I repressed..nope just doesn't interest me..I think it's incredibly arrogant even rude to dictate to people as to how they choose to express their sexuality..even if they choose to conform to the current societal norms.xxFreya
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RHP User
11 years ago
In the late seventies when I was a member of a woman's collective there was a lot of bullying of straight women.We were pressured into trying at least to have sex with another woman and so I did..with two different women..But it didn't float me boat at all..However I have been strongly attracted to two other women but not had sex with either of them...for me,it's never say never,who knows who you will trip over in life. xxFreya
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67'DG Wow a beautiful outburst due to sexual repression. Re read your post and tell me which part is logic argument and which is babbling defensive rant. Yes I do suggest you are bisexual but socially programmed by a corrupt and sexual repressed society to think sexuality is fixed and tied to gender rolls. The evidence is over overwhelmingly in support of the irrelevance of gender when it come to sexuality. Those that must fixate on the gender of another human have allowed themselves to be corrupted by a system designed to promote growth and dominance. It is a shame the people can not see this nor even understand what they are part of. As our society becomes more liberal in its attitudes and thus tolerant of human sexuality, more and more people feel free to revert to their natural sexuality. I know for a fact that when given a random sample of people that the vast majority are bisexual, I know that most bisexual men (and women) do not advertise this due to social pressures to conform. Bisexuality is the norm, true heterosexuality and homosexuality do not exist in nature and many cultures. This is how I see the world and I am supported by a very large body of research and evidence. If this is somehow offensive to you then it would pay for you to work out why rather then rant in defense of what is so plainly obvious to most. Again I will ask, do you have any understanding of other males in terms of sexual intimacy. Bonding via sex opens up a vista of knowledge that is not available without that intimacy. How can you possible argue a point when you have absolute no experience. You presume you are incapable of true same sex intimacy yet you have nothing but repression and stereo typed thought processes to back up your claim. Its not your fault, blame society, but I have every right to think you are corrupted into an unnatural and contrived sexuality. It is your loss not mine. So... any opinion on sexual preferences" which differs from yours ...... is not only "unhealthy".... but... is a rant born from someones corrupted sexual repression?! Holy shit. Thats a bit sexual-preference bigoted. I guess... if my upbringing was so "repressed".... and my heterosexuality is such a burden of my social conditioning and crappy childhood....... .... there must be some other reason that I can attain and maintain an erection, and have no defined sexual dysfunctions..........well...... besides my heterosexuality, I guess!!! Social programming has nothing to do with my personal preference of sexual orientation...... neither does my upbringing... politics... my star sign... my year 4 maths teacher... how hot a chilli I can eat or what I had for breakfast on the third tuesday of March in 1977. Its in my genes..... Just as Homosexuality is in a persons genes. Whether they choose to act on it...... is choice, but the drive is there regardless of choice. Sure, there are social pressures.... but they do not apply to those who do not feel them.... when their genes say they're drive is only interested in heterosexual sex. Heterosexuals feel no loss for those things we have no interest in having.This applies equally as much to you if I were to suggest you "try" strict heterosexuality. However, I would not be so pompous and patronising as to dictate my sexual preferences onto you. Oh... and you realise that you contradicted your earlier comment that were all bisexual... by saying "most" of us were... right?! You shot your own argument down in flames for us. Attitudes such as the one you've displayed are the very reason people feel that they need to suppress their sexuality and sexual urges.... regardless of their direction. Not intelligent... not informed.... not enlightened.... not correct. Not cool. DG
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madotara69
11 years ago
Bound to be received as incomprehensible as usual, therefore incomparable for logistical debate by the thinkers, thinking facts need to be proven thereof a system So Mado down there once again having a ramble from his fruitloop look at things, nothing more than irrelevant material unsurprised and cast aside as, of the intellectual capacity of a toasted muffin. Just a random thought, excuse the formatting. Debating using the illusion of misdirection Oh everything has to be so proper, noted in the books by scholars Speak in the tongue of.. is, must, right, wrong, prove it or else So busy looking for faults, go straight to a word for the sake of points Twist and turn that word too words a snub, diverted versions, defensive telling A fact is a fact, a fact it must be, hear this I tell say, You said "this" This is "that" now a fact your "this" is wrong, so now what you said is "that" According to thee "this that" is the "this", that is now "this fact", I'll have it believed. Struth.... I believe we are all bi sexual in mother natures laws running it's course, human just a species in the grand scheme of evolution, no one the same. Live, love, life, breed, instinctively. Bi sexual is middle ground for all sexualities variances, should we choose it all from a book to prove right from wrong? Which book, the bible, the constitutions, the pocket copy of the Ku Klux Clan, ok so I am just thinking of words that rhyme with the "MAN"....... I was a teenager and regularly visited mum and dads printing business in the city. One of the printers was a middle aged man, I got on well with him and talked about all kinds of things, he told me he was gay one day, then of the story for how it came about and I believe him. He had been married with kids for years and had loved his life, wife, kids and the white picket fence, a family man as straight up as the lifestyle suggests. He had a breakdown with his wife and she left him, destroyed and all the fucked up feelings that busted love would have one in a bad state. He was in a bar drowning his sorrows and a gay man happened to come along and swept this guy off his feet. It happened just like that and the morals of the story this guy was speaking with me about, was that he was still surprised with how easily his sexuality was vulnerable to affection and he fell in love with another man and had no want for loving a woman, he was happy with the nature of life and it's surprises. A woman who also worked there was a lesbian and also had once been in a relationship with a man, but she never told me the story, just kind of in agree she took part with the conversation at the time. I think it was a good thing as a young bloke to have a fond bond with these people, as I liked them no matter what sexuality they identified with, they were just fun people, carefree nature I suppose, which took away the judgement that may have come from not understanding the nature of people and the pressure of society pushing the rules. (peer pressure perhaps) So yes I believe we all have a bi sexual nature as core to what ever way we fall in love, I just happened to fall in love with a woman and never needed the love of any other and consider my sexuality as a man in love with a woman. Make of it what you will. Mado Mado Tara xx
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RHP User
11 years ago
You can ridicule and dismiss scientific endeavour and research all you want (although I'm sure you're happy enough to use its results every day), but the simple fact is it's how we as humans have made most of our progress and it is still our most reliable way of testing hypothesis and establishing how the world and its inhabitants function. Your anecdotes are nice and all, and yes sexuality most certainly can be fluid and is for many people, but the plural of anecdote is not data and I have not seen any evidence that strongly indicates that ALL humans are bisexual. Strangely enough, when you ask people who make claims such as this to provide the evidence on which they base their assumptions, they either can't or won't. So I will wait and see if Blindman can come up with the goods.
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RHP User
11 years ago
I am not here to be anyone's librarian. I read a lot and I do not keep a list. It is simple, you Google and find your own. I do not care if anyone on here believes me or not. I made a statement and was attacked,. I did not direct it at anyone. It is clear that too many find the idea that they are a product of culture too much to deal with. Boys used to wear pink 100 years ago, now it is considered wrong to dress a young boy in pink. Gender is a role taught to us, girls wear dresses, boys dont, girl fuck boys, we are conditioned to that fact, Equally we can be conditioned to fuck both sexes. It is inherent that we are bisexual.. Sex is not a gender issues when gender is taken out of the picture. It is so plain but then most have blinkers and can not see past their own view. My handle BLINDMAN is there for a reason. I don't pretend to see, I explore and find out for my self. Maybe when others do the same then they will learn rather than know.
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RHP User
11 years ago
FFS Kinsey report from way back show that by far 88% of women and about the same for men are bisexual. Its easy to look up and is considered the most accurate description of sexuality in the western world to date. He points out over and over that the terms Hetero, Bi, And Homo are miss leading. The scale rates humans from 0 to 6 from 0 being Hetero to 6 gay. With 3 being bi. Only 3.5% of people are at 6 and 3.5% at 0, with about 4% without classification. that gives 88% of humans are bisexual. It makes no reference to the reasons for sexual orientation but there are many more studies showing the relationship between culture and sexual orientation.
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LetsFrolic
11 years ago
I agree we are a bi sexual species that has with held itself from being as we are naturally.. makes sense too.. especially the cross dressing .. womens clothes are made to attract men so men are naturally attracted to the feel and look of it.. its supposed to work the other way around also. - Posted from rhpmobile
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LetsFrolic
11 years ago
I agree we are a bi sexual species that has with held itself from being as we are naturally.. makes sense too.. especially the cross dressing .. womens clothes are made to attract men so men are naturally attracted to the feel and look of it.. its supposed to work the other way around also. - Posted from rhpmobile
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LetsFrolic
11 years ago
From the old days that we no longer do but was regularly done centuries ago was orgies.. most likely bi sexual ones. Human interaction is all about convent and mutual then after that no holes barred and enjoy. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' FFS Kinsey report from way back show that by far 88% of women and about the same for men are bisexual. Its easy to look up and is considered the most accurate description of sexuality in the western world to date. He points out over and over that the terms Hetero, Bi, And Homo are miss leading. The scale rates humans from 0 to 6 from 0 being Hetero to 6 gay. With 3 being bi. Only 3.5% of people are at 6 and 3.5% at 0, with about 4% without classification. that gives 88% of humans are bisexual. Which is pretty much what I said, minus the stats: Simondoes:"It's generally accepted these days that there is a continuum from totally straight to totally bi. Some are going to be at either end." Then the Blindman reply:"What would you know. Do some of your own research and then come back with some facts, not some crap you read in a popular magazine. It is generally accepted that all higher primates are bisexual." Thanks for contradicting yourself yet again and clearing this all up. Over to DG...
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RHP User
11 years ago
There is absolutely no evidence at all in ANY study to date that genes play any roll in sexual orientation. Look it up your self.
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11 years ago
You are either bisexual or you are not. There is not contradiction at all. having any sexual tendency toward both sexes labels you as bisexual. There is no ambiguity, there is not grey scale, even Kinsey him self stated that 88% are bisexual, he did not say 88% are sort of bisexual. You are or you are not.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Thanks Simon Quoting 'Blindman67' I am not here to be anyone's librarian. I read a lot and I do not keep a list. It is simple, you Google and find your own. I do not care if anyone on here believes me or not. I made a statement and was attacked,. I did not direct it at anyone. It is clear that too many find the idea that they are a product of culture too much to deal with. Boys used to wear pink 100 years ago, now it is considered wrong to dress a young boy in pink. Gender is a role taught to us, girls wear dresses, boys dont, girl fuck boys, we are conditioned to that fact, Equally we can be conditioned to fuck both sexes. It is inherent that we are bisexual.. Sex is not a gender issues when gender is taken out of the picture. It is so plain but then most have blinkers and can not see past their own view. My handle BLINDMAN is there for a reason. I don't pretend to see, I explore and find out for my self. Maybe when others do the same then they will learn rather than know. Actually.... the manner in which you continue to defend your views..... means.... you kind of do care. You are Bisexual.... great!But.... you weren't always.... were you.... because social conditioning repressed it, you say. So now because you're supposedly enlightened, and because as you believe.... we are all Bisexual and therefore you never had a choice in the matter than to BE Bi.... you can fully embrace your bisexuality Just as Homosexuals will enjoy their non-choice to be gay..... and heterosexuals can follow their non choice to be... heterosexual. And so it would seem ....by your reasoning.... that TRULY enlightened ones among us are the people who are self aware enough to choose..... to be anything other than your default sexuality of bisexual. And again.... your argument falls in a heap. But hey.... maybe thats just my repressed and fucked up childhood and resulting heterosexuality speaking!!! The only thing "inherent" here, Blindman.... is that you've made a claim, been challenged to prove your claim... and... you refuse.... and now present yourself as the victim after casting your personal assumptions on others. Now.... you can rise to the challenge and prove the claims, .... or falter. D..... blatant heterosexual....G
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