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Wasted time.
February 09 2019
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curiousmrs
7 years ago
Unfortunately that’s part of the game on here. It’s damn frustrating. Especially if you’ve taken time to organise kids etc. Now we make plans. But always have a back up date night planned as well just so it’s not a complete waste of a kid free night lol.
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Tall74nHard9
7 years ago
Pretty much par for the course here. Has been the subject of many complaints over the years. Can be many reasons behind it- including last minute anxiety, or guys pretending to be girls.Also you'll find 95% +/- of the women here don't meet - seems they're here just to satisfy their egos to say they're on a sex site, or something similar. My observation has been there will be plenty of newbies coming through on a daily basis - put up a profile, then never come back again. Many have their own theories about this sort of activity too. Don't go counting your chickens here - most eggs don't hatch. Good to check up on the forums to see what's going 'round, but that's about it.
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RHP User
7 years ago
People change their mind, it's how it is. Really how much of your time was wasted? You just got disappointed, it happens. Putting no time wasters on your profile isn't going to help much, people have different ideas of what that means and it turns into pressure not change their mind and pressure doesn't get results at all on here. The onus is on you not to invest any time into this you aren't afraid to lose.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Whether Iike it or not 😋
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RHP User
7 years ago
Ghosting..it happens to women as well as men,Why do people do it? Because they can. Why not go to a meet and greet,at least you will meet real people there. Hugs Q
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RHP User
7 years ago
Everything amazing is worth working for. If it came easy then I wouldn’t appreciate it when it comes along... well that’s my mantra. When it first happened to me... I just shrugged it off. Then... I wondered what I had said that offended... then, I looked at my profile... rewrote it... changed the pics... verified more. It doesn’t matter. People have the right to say no. They don’t owe me anything. I have to admit it... hits the ego and as if it’s not difficult enough finding someone you click with first!! Insert expletive! I often look back through the profiles I started chatting with and wonder if they felt the same way...that I had dropped off because I hadn’t replied to every comment - maybe they all liked to be chased? Then the next challenge is actually catching up... many never show. It’s part of the challenge! If they don’t show... keep in your brain the part where you say... it’s not me it’s you dipstick. Well mine includes more expletives...
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MsSuperFoxy
7 years ago
Your expectations were not met. Until you meet a person face to face, there should be no expectations. You can write and demand all you want on your profile about time wasters. People do not have to do what you want. At the end of the day, she was most likly chatting to others not just you. She lost interest somewhere along the lines, benched you, then ghosted you. You had not met, so she can change her mind meeting. Move on and if you don't like being ghosted, don't do it to the next person. That's the only way to stop it. Ms Foxy
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RHP User
7 years ago
Well Steve honey you know you have done that to me pretty much the first time and afew weeks ago didn't show up and we have fucked afew times in between that and you know I'm still here for you honey and always will be it's okay honey don't get so hurt about it, when you didn't show up the first time I already had afew drinks and I had a good time with the music and my dildos and the last time we were meant to have a 3sum and you didn't show up so I texted "sir cee" Sean from rhp and we all had a good time when I was at at ms Tracey's don't let others control your desires if you wanna cum well cum while your waiting I do it every time I'm waiting on someone and it's more enjoyable to pleasure next. Love you Steve honey and I'm not finished with you in the bedroom. yet honey xxxxxxxxxxxx
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RHP User
7 years ago
And parties are the go. Best of luck my friend!
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RHP User
7 years ago
It’s part of the journey... Our ghosting/no replies strike rate outweighs the number of people we have met. However the people we have met outweigh in quality the people who have ghosted/stopped replying to us. At the end of the day someone’s sincerity can not be portrayed in messages it’s relativelt easy to say anything in a message without sincerity behind the words, it can be somewht gauged in phone calls to confirm validity of person and it can be portrayed in their actions - actions speak louder than words..
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madotara69
7 years ago
if you go back through your messages, you will likely find what you may have missed during the moments. You are learning is all, perhaps by no fault of your own, naive to the magnitude of deceitful fuckers amongst us dirty fuckers lol. Mado Mado Tara xx
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RHP User
7 years ago
Chat....arrange a meet....radio silence
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RHP User
7 years ago
Timewasters are everywhere, you might even be wasting your own time here (or any dating site really).
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RHP User
7 years ago
Happens all the time. Just be greatful that someone has even bothered to read your messages. In my experience most messages I send on here don’t even get read so my chances of being ghosted are slim so that’s a bonus lol
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RHP User
7 years ago
Seriously...when you boil all the bullshit out of your rant ... You get left with....expectations. You expected that by putting in your profile that you don’t want time wasters that you weren’t going to find them... You expected that your interactions were going to get you somewhere.... You expected a lot...let’s be real about it... Drop the expectations that people are going to do what YOU desire them to do and you will eliminate your disappointment....
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RHP User
7 years ago
Harsh words, but truth It’s a familiar story,... but one you can avoid if you ..... a) determined if you were messaging a woman, or a bloke pretending b) assuming it was a she.... that you sufficiently engaged them enough to have a phone conversation... (kinda helps with (a) c) kept their attention via (b) without over saucing the pudding with dribbling sex talk d) propose meeting because it’s a make sense proposition because of the rapport via (c) See the progression? People seem efficient at complicating life. Attention spans are short and there is competition for that short attention. . It doesn’t need to be so hard to message, interest someone to the point of deciding to meet, and follow through to meeting with a view to see if you actually like each other
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MsSuperFoxy
7 years ago
Oh my! Do we really need to know that much in depth, honey. Ms Foxy
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MsJonesy
7 years ago
Oh I do love this phrase.. " without over saucing the pudding with dribbling sex talk" 🤣 So very true. I tend to find there is a link; the more dribbling sex talk there is prior to meeting, the less likely the meeting will ever take place. If you have supplied the requisite amount of sex talk for a successful masturbation session, they are not going to bother cleaning up and bouncing out the door to meet you. And really, sex chat with a complete stranger...not my thing at all as it is so dull and predictable.
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FeistyFatty
7 years ago
Fuck yeah Ursula...... Loving the overshare Honey😋😂
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DynamicCouple36
7 years ago
More than likely She was was a he , and had no intentions of meeting up
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RHP User
7 years ago
I like to meet a guy in person within 3 days of chatting. Any longer, I am bored, start to believe he isn’t real, isn’t keen or isnt the kind of demanding, take charge Dominant guy I desire. Everyone to their own. Don’t be offended. It isn’t personal. You can’t please everyone (I try lol) sometimes they are looking for something very specific and it’s not you. It’s their expectations. You have to sift through a lot of fakes, time wasters, idiots etc to find a good fuck buddy. Don’t give up, get back on the horse and try again.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Men ghost too. Plenty of fakes and flakes out there. As other have said, have no expectations and you won’t be disappointed.
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RHP User
7 years ago
This thread was going swimmingly until Ms Ursula popped in, now it's just awesome! Someone needs to have a word to her about punctuation though.
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RHP User
7 years ago
We feel your pain. Welcome to the club 🙄 It's usually single guys that do it to us. We just put it down to short attention spans and now just move on...next!
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RHP User
7 years ago
My poor friend is hurting and I want to make you happy in every way, cause that's what friends do xx
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MsSuperFoxy
7 years ago
No, i don't know about you but as a friend, one be respect and not post publicly such person private matters. 🤐 Ms Foxy
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RHP User
7 years ago
I just love the tenor of some of the comments from the males here, that it must have been or was most likely a bloke posing as a woman. That goes on for sure, not arguing that, but like women can't be dicks from time to time? So women never waste anyone's time? They are the pinnacle of good grace, manners and honour? Is there a name for men that hate men?
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RHP User
7 years ago
I think misanthrope covers it..but misandry applies as well Hugs Q
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RHP User
7 years ago
@Okey To be fair, the question was asked by a bloke, and the majority of people in RHP are blokes.... even the women lol So it’s logical to see blokes replies (over) represented accordingly It’s statistics 101 Sure, cunty behaviour is not gender specific... but in here, the numbers and therefore the weight falls heavily to the XY side of the dipshit ledger..... and I strongly suspect that much of the complaints about (genuine) women’s behaviour ..... was likely inspired by the attitudes of said affected RHP men who acted like dribbling and entitled sex offenders
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RHP User
7 years ago
Well said Mischeviouslad 👏
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RHP User
7 years ago
A 100 per cent real not fake free and single but no one wonted me so 👐🏻
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RHP User
7 years ago
It’s my observation, the chances of having a sexual relationship with a person on RHP, is inversely proportional to the amount of messages sent to that person. In my experience, the more a relationship is developed, there is zero chance of sex. Mind you, it has just been sex. So seeing as I want a connection as well, that’s when things run off the rails because both parties begin to get picky and looking for an ideal, not just a reasonable match. I still maintain, the way to search for a match on RHP is via vanilla interests first, once we’re talking, we can ask about the whips and chains and bukkaki party! M_D4
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RHP User
7 years ago
Varying expectations can be very frustrating.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Lol at least you got something of here so you say. Good money for nothing I'm beginning to believe.
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clappo73
7 years ago
Well that was an interesting read. Thank you everyone for the input and advice. A big thank you to Ursula babe for your honesty and caring words and by the way Ursula babe I have not finished in the bedroom with you either. Thank you again everybody whether your opinion was negative or positive I do thank everyone
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RHP User
7 years ago
Wait till you change plans to meet Book a hotel Get dressed then get ghosted then you are entitled to feel hard done by lol
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RHP User
7 years ago
Bloody hell Ursla! Maybe a full stop, comma, semi colons or some brackets in your first 'Dear Steve' post. Fucken nearly passed out reading it.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Wow Steve you do it yet ask why people do it! Simple ask yourself why you stood Ursula up and voila you have your answer. You just need to look inwards and all will be revealed!
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RHP User
7 years ago
There is someone else taking up her time. Could be wrong? Hope I'm wrong.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Very poor form indeed
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RHP User
7 years ago
There is so many individuals on these sites and nothing surprises anymore, but as SuperFoxxxy said... let there b no expectations, dont sweat the small stuff, dont blame yourself and move on, its happened to most of us thats been swinging long enough
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RHP User
7 years ago
Seems pretty normal, you probably wasted more time writing all that
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RHP User
7 years ago
This whole site has been a total waste of time You write and be straight up and all you get back is bullshit. I’m getting off the shit site never to return To the time wasting females on here go get off somwherr else and give the guys on here a fair playing field
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close_cpl
7 years ago
Happens to couples too. And at every stage of the process. When it occurs straight after sharing faces it kind of makes sense (i think we've got nice faces but i guess not everyone does and that's fine). When it happens after you fail to reply to ones late night message on a weeknight it just seems childish but i guess it's just as well because we weren't going to be a good match anyway (we both work bloody hard and are attracted to people who do). But the weirdest one is when you go all through the build-up and set a date, and they're gone. People are what they are i guess
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RHP User
7 years ago
Yep I know your frustration. I get the same all the time. Been on here a while now but always no shows. I was starting to think it’s was me
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RHP User
7 years ago
Well, all my potential meets ended the same way. But I don't cry on public here :)
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Swingingnudist
7 years ago
Yup it happens. I've had every excuse in the book. Car crashes, just diagnosed with cancer yada yada. I've gone to the meet up place, waited and waited, sent messages and nothing then when i send a curt message a couple of days later then all of a sudden i get a response. I just laugh now at the antics of some on here. Attention seeking is all i can put it down to. I wrote to RHP about it and suggested as they have a validation section they need a non validation section. I feel it would work where for example 5 different profiles write iin about the same person being a no show then the RHP censors then allow the bad reviews for viewing. This would eliminate just 1 person making a complaint as revenge. It would then allow other people viewing the ghosters profile to move on to genuine people and not fall ibto the same trap as others. I met a lady vis RSVP oncewho didn't look anywhere near like her profile (like 80 kilos different) so i wrote to RSVP to update them. Their reply was they had had a number of complaints about her and removed her profile, SO it can work. Just need RHP to get the courage to implement it.
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RHP User
7 years ago
That's online dating, in any form and any site. Get over yourself and move on.
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RHP User
7 years ago
I got a funny one A couple in their early twenties mess me and say its on their bucket list to have a 3some with an older man in a motorhome I have a motorhome Me im smiling but ask them for pics as none were up Yes they say we will open them for me to see Thanks i say No pics and all mess deleted in half hr Bummer but still smilling lols
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RHP User
7 years ago
Ahhhh.... the female version of the 'pussy whisperer' - as some one on this site so eloquently coined it to me. There is the chat, the flirty talk, the possible exchange of naughty pics and then...... time to meet and oops something popped up - rain-check. But the rain-check never comes. Frustrating to say the least - and is prone to result in a case of the dreaded blue balls LOL! But fear not, I can attest to the meet & greets can be well worth the trash you must discard. My husband and i have met some wonderful play friends on RHP so hang in the, for the 5 fish you have to throw back u just may come across that keeper! Best of luck,xx miss j
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RHP User
7 years ago
Can teach one patience....good things take time and effort and a little bit of frustration can make success taste all the more sweeter.
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RHP User
7 years ago
It happens to women as well. This has happened to me before, not jut oh rhp. We had made a date to meet at a pub for a drink, 20 mins later I messaged, he said I did turn up and saw you, you’re not my type. Had no intention of telling me he was a no show until I messaged. Slight pang to the ego, but that’s all it is, a slight pang to the ego. Next......
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RHP User
7 years ago
huge % just want your email mate so they can send you spam the filter game is always fun there are some lovely people here but just have to sift though the bullshit
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RHP User
7 years ago
It happens , same happened to me , messaged me Friday night , next minute profile unavailable as in “blocked” really weird
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RHP User
7 years ago
Im wasting time reading this thread 😂 But alas, I'm getting paid...... Don't dwell on it mate. Just move on! Plenty of great people worthy of your time on here. Alot more that aren't. It's a numbers game finding the good ones.
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Kinkycplaus
7 years ago
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RHP User
7 years ago
MsJonesy, 100% agree. Those that talk talk, have no reason to meet. Meet n greets, organized parties are great for meeting. Then if they don’t show, or you don’t really click, there’s few more options. It’s also a fun environment to meet.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Terry please don't go! There aren't enough single men in their 50's on here.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Use some common sense. She is a time waster. Or, she could br a frustrated housewife who's not ready to pull the trigger. She could he a he. Perhaps there's something you have left out of your story? Who knows. I've experienced the same thing from women here and some couples.
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RHP User
7 years ago
I don’t think anyone is immune to that type of behaviour whether it’s a male, female or couple. Due to bad timing have not been able to attend the ‘Meet and Greet’ parties but by all accounts this is where the genuine members are to be found and the keyboard warriors are conspicuous in their absence.
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BinChicken187
7 years ago
Had many similar experiences myself even with winks, received a few saying interested so eventually upgraded and now nothing... I honestly thought they were just fake accounts by rhp 🤷♂️
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RHP User
7 years ago
We all get our time wasted but I would never ever be texting someone for 2 weeks without meeting. A few messages then Kik details to chat about meeting arrangements only (give or take a few messages). You can manage your own time to not be wasted. Anyone wanting to text flat out before meeting is giving you a red flag right there.
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RHP User
7 years ago
I see dead people everywhere . Only met about four geniune profiles on here in nearly 10 years and we had fun . Shame they moved or I left their town .If you think of every profile as an apparition , it helps .
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RHP User
7 years ago
Your experience is common and goes for so many other things on the web as well.People don't respect others and not reply because they can.Both guys and girls.If there was any sniff of other services or sites then they were a scammer.But probably they just changed their mind and can't be bothered to say.Online bad manners seems to be the norm.But hey, keep having fun anyway, move on!
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RHP User
7 years ago
Sure did waste your time. I have experienced the same thing. I think people tend to become self entitled when in here and loose the sight of being polite and having manners.
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Cunnilingenius
7 years ago
A lot of women crave the attention with no desire to meet.
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lookingforbusty
7 years ago
We're still waiting nearly 3 weeks for a response after making space to prepare. Nothing. It is frustrating
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RHP User
7 years ago
To cut a long story short... she got a better offer from someone she found more attractive. That’s just the way it goes...
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RHP User
7 years ago
Welcome to the world of the entitled arsehat :D
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RHP User
7 years ago
I was chatting to someone for about a day and a half.. msgs back and forth, pics sent.. after many messages, he says he wants DDLG relationship.. new to me and I had never indicated an interest so I asked a few questions then said "sorry ..not for me" , cancelled meeting..and his comment was I was a waste of time. After less than two days. For not agreeing to participate in something I never claimed to be interested in. Really? Are we so time-poor we can't see if we are on same page without being nasty about It?
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De0cypher
7 years ago
Egos can be rife on here... A past prolific user of the site and indeed, the community. I have learnt to know the so called “time-wasters”. And, yet, it has recently happened to myself too. After a couple of weeks of being on the fence, I finally exchanged numbers - that, is a difficult thing for myself to get to - and, organized a time/place and suddenly, it’s white noise. You have to chalk it upto experience. On here and in life. Shrug. Move on. It is not about you, how can it possibly be? As frustrating and time consuming and effort wasting it has been - don’t give up. Try again. With someone truly worth trying for. I do wish you the very best that this very life changing community can give.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Plenty of time wasters on here , the worst are the guys pretending to be ladies . Also a notorious couple in Perth who just talk and never meet , I guess it’s there way of getting off , looking at other people butcwith all the time wasters there are genuine ones too so keep looking. Pity we can’t out the time wasters!!!!
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RHP User
7 years ago
Pretty much being a woman you get loads if replys so we drift easily and move to someone else just like that, but i find that when it comes to the meet the male pulls out at thw last minute, i find swingers heaven more genuine have meet lots of people on there, good luck
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RHP User
7 years ago
There will always be loads of time wasters on here. As mentioned before, it's either women feeding their own egos or guys pretending to be girls. I've had plenty myself, and I'm sure there will be loads more. Just part of the game. While I'm on here... Until I meet the person /couple face to face, I don't take it seriously. Although, I will always keep up my end of the agreement and either follow through with plans, or be polite enough to inform when work or other plans interrupt. I've been lucky enough to meet a few great people on here, and hopefully meet a few more.... Hopefully you do too.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Well mischievous lad I've read a couple of topics revolving around this after having posted one from a cut and paste comment on my profile enjoying the comical comments everything from not this again yet commenting again lol. I guess trolling topics isn't calculated into the busy lives clock... A couple of comments that were in no way comical and that's the fact that people continue to get nasty when receiving a no reply... It seems it's not just profiles aren't actually read but topics are glanced and the mighty keyboard Rumbles into life lololol... Every comment was actually addressed and acknowledged hoping to reveal a "hey I get it" only to be made aware of my awareness (apologies for not sending a formal thank you message to many and not enough time ) you broke it down well and with related logic not blurting out an apathetic rant. Thank you
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RHP User
7 years ago
I wouldn't lose any sleep over it mate. Most women on here are really only here to see how many flirts and dick pics they can gather. Just an ego thing for them I guess. Press on and don't let them get you down. It's their loss for being game players and I'm sure it will turn on them in the long run!
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RHP User
7 years ago
Must be a glitch I’ve met some beautiful people on RHP many whom have met and had a fantastic time. That said there are some very lonely people out there whom just seem to miss the boat 😎 be open , honest and fun and you can’t go wrong. Takes two to tango!😎
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RHP User
7 years ago
Maybe she has suggested that you meet... and is now putting the ball in your court... you need to ask her out- a novel idea sometimes in this age... so you need to reply with- yes, that would be fantastic, would you like to meet for a drink? What time suits you?? -
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RHP User
7 years ago
CLAPPO 73 You'll work it out. I have had it put to me that what is going on is that women are there to keep the guys interested and keep them subscribing. If you have a look at how many men are paying members there are heaps...they keep the site profitable. Then go and see how many women subscribe. There's your answer. It's a case of keeping the men thinking they are a chance with a woman when in fact they are not and never will be. You will also receive flirts from people supposedly overseas who are "interested" in you..... they don't exist. You get flirts from OS but none from Australia....funny that????
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RHP User
7 years ago
Think there is a much better way to meet women and that's at a pub, event or club. They can see and talk to you in person and form a view to engage or not engage.
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stormn
7 years ago
You look hot
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Jbaggs6
7 years ago
My little Moto always works..... Expectations weather low or high any can lead to disappointment. You are the perfect example of this. Have little to none this way you can only be happily surprised with whatever the outcome.
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RHP User
7 years ago
bet its a fake profile lots of guys make female profiles just to get off
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RHP User
7 years ago
Yes frustrating especially when you’ve got to some trouble organising kids, work, etc....... And not to mention the disappointment. But yes I guess it’s all part of the weird and wonderful game.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Any girls on here like to play, photos/videos?
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MsSuperFoxy
7 years ago
This is a "Wasted Time" Forum, not an advertising forum. No "girls" here just ladies. Sorry to disappoint. You have just wasted 30secs of my precious time. Now, dick off and go write your own forum up "Mcfatdick, ain't no fat dick" or something like that. 😛 Ms Foxy
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RHP User
7 years ago
We have never met anyone but I have to say,the victim narrative says alot..you mentioned about 5 times how you stated "no time wasters" that doesn't mean anything we stated an age range of men we wanted contact from yet we were inundated with messages and flirts from countless people outside that range. Have you always respected the things people wanted here?? If yes,you'd probably be one of the few guys to do so. Stop expecting things,you're making out lole this person is out of line just because you didn't get what you wanted...that's basically a tantrum,which I guarantee no female is interested in and alot of guys here do have tantrums when they get rejected. Expect nothing and be surprised by what you do get. You don't seem relaxed which also wouldn't help. Anyways That's my opinion....good luck!!
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eroarts
7 years ago
I couldn't agree more guys. Even outside of of here there should never be expectations or entitlements.
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RHP User
7 years ago
you did everythg pretty cool and i am surprised tht she block you ,but it is reason behind many of us here dont have that kind of tolerance . you said twice , yes nd again yes ?? so that was defenetly ghost mofo , she (or he ) couldnt get pleasure of , questions with abuse on second attempt , so she knew tht blocking you would be that frustrated act for you tht she would get some psychopath food in tht form . I am no expert but i do have great experiance and i can only give you my opinion Ghosts are new breed of flashers or carpark stalkers . Whatever flasher want it to gain when open his coat and show , tool same as now both sexes working flashing on line in the form of ghosts .... to gain on others shock , disappointments or frustration To get ghost indetifed , needs to be egzactly as you were , cool and collected .They obviesly cant play third round they need to block , and that also selfdestruct them .
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RHP User
7 years ago
Welcome
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LetsFrolic
7 years ago
Happens more than actually meeting people. You're lucky to even get a response most times. And even though it's sexist it's a "man's job" to make those first messages .. they won't respond to flirts. So you end up just wasting money flicking through profiles
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LetsFrolic
7 years ago
Ps.. ghosting is known to be really bad to the people being ghosted. So any decent people shouldn't do it. It's not part of "the game" or anything.. it's actually narcissistic and evil. People need to relax and be more genuine and talk and meet on here. If not they shouldn't be here or involved in the lifestyle
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RHP User
7 years ago
The sexiest creatures on here aren't mythical like unicorns or ghosts but insects . Crickets to be precise .
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RHP User
7 years ago
Ok well I have to say that perhaps we became a time waster this week... Having met a few nice guys on here we had arranged a meet with a great guy this week and all was going very well and getting excited on the day 😃 But then it all started going wrong and a couple family issues, we told the guy we would be late so we rescheduled a bit later, then had to cancel again at the last minute and that really wasn’t nice, but we had no choice.😢 We have had our time wasted on here by many guys and this was our turn to back out at the last minute on someone and be called the time wasters!!! Gutted that we lost that chance 😐
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RHP User
7 years ago
Just course it is par for the course doesn’t mean it is right. Hey be greatfull you got a reply.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Women on here are shit. Women reply so vaguely it isnt funny. One word answers. Promises to catch up but dont exchange contact details. Or worse - just plain waste of time! I wonder how many accounts are real on this site.
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sensualsam69
7 years ago
It happens both ways. Mine goes a bit further..started seeing a guy on a regular basis for 3 months. Chatted every second day etc stc, was lead to believe by him it was going to develop into something further both single. It has been seven days and nada no communications, phone calls nothing. Wiped off the face of the earth go figure. So guys it works both ways
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RHP User
7 years ago
It’s like that on every site as well the scammers ware you need a hookup ID card I totally got done over dating sites
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RHP User
7 years ago
So l wanted to met a few guys at a public place just for a coffee and a chat. So l was a bit early and l waited , waited and text was he on the way. But l never got a really from him..
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RHP User
7 years ago
Hottitts, You never asked me for that coffee. I would certainly like to meet in person. I am very cautious with most profiles, if they read to good then I generally think there not legitimate, I am very soon to walk away from this site. I have been looking for signs To splash my cash for a upgrade. Have not seen any reason to spend that cash,
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