M69
would you like to see your wife with another guy
August 26 2009
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RHP User
16 years ago
What a coincidence; i fantasies about your wife with other men as well,
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RHP User
16 years ago
yes, sparkytony, yes they do... as in all things, everyone likes/fantasizes about different things but this seems to be a fairly common one for a lot of guys. I personally have more up close & hands on experience with guys who fantasize about their wives being with other girls ;-) This is why all fantasies are so much fun - how varied they are! And not everyone wants or needs to turn them into a reality... which is fine too!
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RHP User
16 years ago
my husband has the same fantasties, he lets me act them out too :P which i dont complain about because one of my turn ons are first time sex with a stranger and to have him watch me :) not sure why he likes it, i never question it. haha have you let her have other men whilst you watch or is it still just a fantasy not yet acted upon?
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jandv
16 years ago
I love the thought of this. Watching a guy or a few guys have a go at the wife. HOT !!!!
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RHP User
16 years ago
Of course I do. I'm a dirty slut so you'd think she would be too, but seems there's no chance. Yes, we are all individuals. Hugs Gaz
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RHP User
16 years ago
Kaito, I think we'll be such good friends!xxDani
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RHP User
16 years ago
. she is too straight too have me watch. it is alovely thought though. she does tell me about guys she has fucked in the past and in detail. I think she probably does have other sex partners most woman I know admit to affairs or mkaybe its the ones that are open to talk about there relationships are more open to having affairs
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RHP User
16 years ago
I prefer to keep away while she is with the other guy. I would feel shocked and turned off to see him humping her or kissing and sucking her... Plus, I would feel sidelined...and questions like why am I letting him have her....he is a total stranger..... But I am excited when she returns and tells me the story and that she is still wet. I would like a weekend where the other guy can just have her any time of the day or night.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Yes ! It's hell sexy to see my partner with another guy or guys.... You know your relationship s pretty rock solid when it turns you both on...and you do it and it's hot for all concerned.... But I'm Dom and she is sub so it kind of ties (pardon the pun) in with the Dom/sub fun we have.....she has no guilt because it's all organised by me for her.... If you truly love your partner it makes sense that you want them to be fulfilled ? Pardon the pun again ! lol It also has a LOT to do withthe third person you bring in...someone experienced and respectful of your relationship is paramount.... Dog.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Why stop at ONE guy ? Party on !!!! 2Fellas
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nort4t
16 years ago
Enjoyed watching my wife with another man, trying to talk her into a small gang bang and another couple
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RHP User
16 years ago
I love seeing my wife with another man's cock plunging in and out of her pussy. Especially if the guy is well hung and I can tell that my wife is loving it as well. It does feel strange the first time, but if you decide to do it again it gets better ! The trick is finding the 'right' people to play with - much more difficult than it sounds !! Probably the best and hottest part is the foreplay beforehand and the first time hands start exploring each others party bits :-)
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RHP User
16 years ago
Its ok Tony, just pop me a message... I will gladly fuck your wife for ya...
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RHP User
16 years ago
I love watching her being tucked senseless. When you are watching you get to enjoy her pleasure as opposed to your own. Watching some guys make her come over and over until she can't take anymore is brilliant and it gives you a great sense of control when you fuck her the last time.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Had the pleasure to watch and join in with my partner, amazing experiance. Not sure why but it has always been something that has turned me on....Looking forward to next time!
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RHP User
16 years ago
...I can't answer this for the fear of being inundated with winks!!!!haha
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RHP User
16 years ago
Mmmm, not only is it such a turn on to watch her being satisfied by another man... the retelling of the story and mental images keeps us turned on each time we recount the storys.... mmmm...
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RHP User
16 years ago
Geez we're getting winks already!!!!!!OK I have to elaborate now - I do have these fantasies and have discussed them with the wife. Turns us both on in fantasy land but she prefers her play to be with other women. Couples are great as we get a bit of everything but sorry single guys she's not interested.I knew I should have kept my fingers shut!
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RHP User
16 years ago
Puppy, why no single guys? We think it is more simple, less complicated. The wife gets the pleasure and selects the guy to please her. No question of her getting jealous of the other woman, or useless chat. No question of his wife being urged to do it just to keep him happy.
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RHP User
16 years ago
yes!!!! sensational!!! we love it!! and yea? why stop at one? lol sex is fun, share it guys!
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RHP User
16 years ago
i love 3sums ... and have been fortunate to have met a couple and experienced the thrill the guy gets from watching his wife / girlfriend and another guy ... and also obivously being involved ... nothing like a lady who is way too busy to talk .. !!! lol ... lol .. xxxI love a couple that are able to understand what turns them on sexually.Its amazing when you meet a couple and have a coupe of drinks, everyone gets on ... and everyone knows that this is about a fantasy and what turns everyone on ...no threat from the other guy ... just sex sex and sex ... xxxx
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RHP User
16 years ago
Well is this not every mans fantasy. I mean most of us on this site not only dream about but am sure we all have full filled that fantasy.... nothing hotter....... oops yes there is , watching the mrs with another women...
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RHP User
16 years ago
Well is this not every mans fantasy. I mean most of us on this site not only dream about but am sure we all have full filled that fantasy.... nothing hotter....... oops yes there is , watching the mrs with another women...
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RHP User
16 years ago
i put the best show on for my hub. real porn for him . i have to say i truly love it . have to be hung though as he likes to see me nailed . 2 guys cuming on my face so sexy!!!
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RHP User
16 years ago
I would love to see your wife with another guy... Me!!! LOLROG p.s. get in touch if you want sum extra goop... xx
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RHP User
16 years ago
Hubby loves to watch me with other men and I love to watch him nail other females. Then we swap nothing better mmmmmmm Even put on a girly show for him. He just looooooooooves it xo
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RHP User
16 years ago
all good its the way to go ,, and keeps spice in a relationship
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RHP User
16 years ago
I too have the same fantasy, she is not real big on the idea.
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RHP User
16 years ago
I don't have that fantasy, I don't mind being with Sal and another couple. I don't mind if sal was with a dude as long as I'm with the dudes partner and it's all cool. Me just standing around and watching her with another guy. Yawn!!! I'm soo not a watcher. Sorry!
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RHP User
16 years ago
Nor am I
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RHP User
16 years ago
Meah.. it would be such a waste of vaulable resources having a healthy horny husband just sitting on the edge of the bed watching. :p Nope.... you gotta put that spare cock and pent up testosterone to work because sometimes a but of rough and tumble is the order of the day. Working from each end two guys can lock arms and get a good rythm up... or one hand on her arse and one pushing on the back of her head is a useful technique for ensuring the spit roast doesn't squirm away in a knee shaking moments. A bit of spitting, nose pinching, gagging, hair pulling and arse slapping, reeming rough play with sweat flying off the blokes is wooohooo... .then one slides on underneath all sweaty and wet for a double penetration muff burger sandwich as their balls slam together on re-entry... until finally all three collapse, gasping, overheated, covered in sweat and jizz... No.... None of this lazy man sitting cuckold and watching... I mean, what's that all about? I suppose he could open the door and let the breeze in while we're resting. lolz Hugs Gaz
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RHP User
16 years ago
We play when we are away. First time was at club in Mel, we hooked up with another couple. It was so so hot watching my wife lying back opening her legs inviting a stanger to take her...Wow... Next time was with a single guy, again at a club, this time I joined in. So much more you can do with a another person. The best poistion was me and my wife in a 69 while he was fucking her. She loved it and I go the best close up you could get while at the same time being sucked off. While my wife is not into anal but we did a double vag. No way just sit back and watch, so much more fun to join in.... I understand for many that is not such a turn on for me it is amazing...
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RHP User
16 years ago
Oh sometimes it's nice to just watch the pleasure going on around you, action is fun too but having something to look at while you're taking a well earned rest is a bonus!
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RHP User
16 years ago
Well I Love watching my wife have fun with other males. and females for that matter. As long as she is having a good time, i'm having a good time. Its all about the her pleasure. Not their's
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RHP User
16 years ago
All couples in our little group share a common interest....Husbands who love to see their wives being serviced by another guy or guys. It is a very common fantasy, totally enjoyed by those lucky wives...just need to find the right guy or guys ....and absolutely sensational experience.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Absolutely!
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RHP User
16 years ago
For my partner, its more a turn of for me watching her watching me knowing she is being naughty in full view of me. I have to admit I have sat down with a glass of wine and watched being fucked by a guy that she has selected and turns her on. Then when she has drained the poor fella she comes to thanks me. Its such a turn on
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RHP User
16 years ago
We'd talk about it for a couple of years and only recently had the chance to meet a single guy. Great guy, respectful, well built and happy to work with us at her pace - being her first time. I joined in for sure but there were times I stepped back and watched (just for 30 seconds) and it was fantastic!! Can't tell you how it felt to see her feet up over his shoulders while he was fucking her deeply!! Looking for our second opportunity - can't wait to do it again!!!
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RHP User
16 years ago
Yep I love seeing my wife with another man's cock plunging in and out of her pussy As long as she is having a good time, i'm having a good time. I get to finnish her off later
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RHP User
16 years ago
I had my first threesome when I was eighteen. the husband regularly watched me fuck his wife they were about 40. loved it. met quite a few couples over the years. all great sexual adventures. love watching and being wached. thats why i would love to see my wife having that same exciting experience. do miss threesomes
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RHP User
16 years ago
Love it, and she's got a long time fantasy of a group of guys. So I'm organising a party for her. The idea suggested in the other forum of masks and blindfolds sounds great, and as she'll be a bit shy and a bit nervous, that might work to it's advantages on the night!
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RHP User
16 years ago
Whats with just watching? My experience is that a 3some is best when its a 3some not a 2some with a watcher. One hot lady being the centre of attention of 2 guys gets a lady where she really needs to go! Giving my my hot wife the pleasure she deserves with an extra cock is so amazing its a lot of fun. Just watching! I have got to say .....Why? S and R
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RHP User
16 years ago
When we were first married, my much older hubby loved to see young guys fucking me, usually one on one, but also also the odd gangbang, & I happily went along with it..we had great times. More recently, he has encouraged me to meet & fuck guys from the net, but without him there..but he loved a full juicy report when I got home. But it all got complicated, so now we make do with fantasies & horny chats. I have met quite a few who love the idea of their wife being fucked by other men..go for it!
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RHP User
16 years ago
when you have a wife as horny as mine 24/7 you need a good wingman or few, love to watch her face The only trouble is, the more she gets the more she wants, all my fault I know oh well,love my work Communication in relationships is paramount note we are after couples, LOL
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RHP User
16 years ago
yes, more the better
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RHP User
16 years ago
Perhaps I shouldn't be here as I'm not married.However if I was or had a permanent , temporary or casual partner I still don't want to see them in the arms of anyone else. I am a liberated soul with a territorial outlook. I dominate and know many other ways to please or be pleased.Unless it's apart for a cardinal punishment, what pleasure anyone can get out of their desired or beloved companion being under another man's legs, I do not get it.Not an expert but does one need to be !?
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RHP User
16 years ago
I feel a need to contribute to this disscussion.... I have had the pleasue of such activities. I have found that on every occassion, the couples I have been with, the male partner was aroused, not by the sight of someone fucking his wife, but by the sight of his female partner enjoying great sex! I think that there is nothing more wonderful than a couple who are that comfortable and secure in their own relationship that they can enjoy threesomes together.
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RHP User
16 years ago
I have had the pleasure, (a few times), of accepting invitations to joining couples in threesomes. For one couple, who have since been regular activity buddies, their favourite scenario is him watching me pleasure his wife. He is most aroused when she is cumming. What a great relationship!
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RHP User
16 years ago
We all may enjoy watching porn.Now there are 2D, 3D and with the right software and glasses 4D ones in the retail market.Of course if it becomes like live porn the perceptive experience will also be arousing and stimulating.However, one may like to consider the porn-star is one's partner while unlike real porn there are no fake ejaculations, & artificial scenes.Sex may be fascinating . Intimacy, intercourse, interactions and affinity is not all about sex in my unwise opinion. Some forms of lovemaking I do not want to learn.Otherwise in nature some female counterparts also devour the flash of the male companion after sex too. I feel just because they take pleasure out of it does not make it the correct thing to promote. (Open dialogue is always enriching)
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RHP User
16 years ago
Quoting 'EscapePod' Perhaps I shouldn't be here as I'm not married.However if I was or had a permanent , temporary or casual partner I still don't want to see them in the arms of anyone else. I am a liberated soul with a territorial outlook. I dominate and know many other ways to please or be pleased.Unless it's apart for a cardinal punishment, what pleasure anyone can get out of their desired or beloved companion being under another man's legs, I do not get it.Not an expert but does one need to be !? Don't need to be an expert to be entitled to your own opinion...
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RHP User
16 years ago
I cant wait for the time when she agrees to it , I must admit i fantasie about it all the time and even picture myself joining in . The thought of watching cuming from another guy drives me wild or gal for that fact . But hell yeah is my answer
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RHP User
16 years ago
From my memories of biological studies the species where the female consumes the male after inseminating her is not about pleasure. It is a survival method to ensure the female gets the appropriate nourishment to complete the breeding cycle and produce the offspring. Most of the species where this occurs from memory, the male willingly submits to allow this to happen. Is he foolish or just making the ultimate sacrifice? ~pondering the greatness~
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RHP User
16 years ago
As long as my wife comes home after going with the other guy, unharmed and more or less on time, why should I complain? She wants more of the first encounter excitement. In marriage this gets lost. She has had three, and wants to repeat with one of them. But I have no desire to watch or join in, although she is asking me to.
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RHP User
16 years ago
i wish i had a sexy bf or hubby and that was his fantasy! LOL
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RHP User
16 years ago
It's certainly something we have discussed, I am sure he will correct me if I am wrong but I believe it is the ability to watch me getting pleasure from it. He says that when we are together it is often hard for him to see how much I am enjoying it as he is behind, to the side, upside down etc etc. We will get there one day :) we both hope K.
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RHP User
16 years ago
The wifey would love to see me taking another woman home and She would love two or three hot cocks spraying all over her too. Its a win win!
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RHP User
16 years ago
But mine is chicks. However once a month I become Slutti B and have four or five yummy cocks. CI on Friday the 2nd looks good ;)
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RHP User
16 years ago
absolutely....he loved watching me..hot! hot!hot!...but not half as much as I loved watching him play with another woman...
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RHP User
16 years ago
Quoting 'EscapePod'Perhaps I shouldn't be here as I'm not married.However if I was or had a permanent , temporary or casual partner I still don't want to see them in the arms of anyone else. I am a liberated soul with a territorial outlook. I dominate and know many other ways to please or be pleased.Unless it's apart for a cardinal punishment, what pleasure anyone can get out of their desired or beloved companion being under another man's legs, I do not get it.Not an expert but does one need to be !? Mate, You seem to have read but not listened to what people are saying. They love their partners so they enjoy seeing them enjoy sexual pleasure. They are not insecure about it because they know that their partners are also in love with them. That's emotionally beautiful. Hugs Gaz
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RHP User
16 years ago
There is nothing to get, if you have the right head space for it, do it, if you dont, it will surely fuck with your head, a personal choice and it's not for the majority. While we had a wing man over, he said if you were my wife I would'nt share you at all ! hows that for funny, I said I wouldnt be your wife for long! been there done that. I have a fantastic relationship with my man. Whats that saying, if you love something, let it go ( oh yer baby) if it comes back, it's yours , if it doesnt it never was !! life can be way too complicated, who's fault??
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RedHotCoast
16 years ago
Quoting 'EscapePod'Perhaps I shouldn't be here as I'm not married.However if I was or had a permanent , temporary or casual partner I still don't want to see them in the arms of anyone else. I am a liberated soul with a territorial outlook. I dominate and know many other ways to please or be pleased.Unless it's apart for a cardinal punishment, what pleasure anyone can get out of their desired or beloved companion being under another man's legs, I do not get it.Not an expert but does one need to be !? Why are you on a swingers site if you feel this way?
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RHP User
16 years ago
I would probably not enjoy a partner who I had feelings for with another, It's only something I would consider doing while single :-P Though I don't have a partner thought I'de chuck in my two cents anyway ;)
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RHP User
16 years ago
My spouse loves to see me being serviced by other guys - it is his main fantasy !! Sometimes I go out to play alone and then come home and tell him the whole story; we have had threesomes with several single guys and it is always great. I have met guys at motels or at their place but the threesome are usually at our place. He would also love me to have a gang bang but we havent got that far.................yet.
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RHP User
16 years ago
my ultimate girl would be someone who loves having sex with other guys while we're dating! i've been in 3somes with couples and love them but even if i wasnt actually there with my girl when she was fucking other guys id still find it so hot. Any single girls in brisbane out there :D lol
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RHP User
16 years ago
Interesting reading all your comments. I have been lucky enough or maybe just have the right approach, to have been with many guys wives while their partner watched. Generally most have had a sensual or tantric massage with me with various degrees of playing, teasing, sensual touching etc and others have gone further with some sexual activities between us, all good fun of course. It was a great introduction and opportunity for some couples to be able to play together without threat or jealousy, as their limits were always respected and it was done in a safe and secure place. I don't travel to other's homes too much anymore, as I have a lovely massage room on the East side of Brisbane near CBD where I can invite my clients for some free fun. Some guys love to watch their wife get naked on my massage table while they were teased and caressed and could hear their sighs (and other noises I won't go into) as they cum several times. Some guys would join in and play too and the girls could end up with 2 cocks to play with. Guys and girls, if you get an opportunity to play with another respectful male or female, give it a go!! massage48
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RHP User
16 years ago
My dream girl would be someone who loves to have sex with other guys weather im there or not :D. love 3somes! should i keep on dreaming? lol
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RHP User
16 years ago
didnt realise the first one went through sorry guys :P
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RHP User
16 years ago
Hi, would love to try a 3some, from just watching to touching or full sex. Troubleis not many couples willing to give a older guy a chance, i am 53 yo average goods and build. I love giving oral to ladies, to me that is so satifying being able to make her cum several times with by lips and tongue sucking and licking her clit. if any couples or ladies interested I am a full member, wink or msg me plz
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RHP User
16 years ago
Right on Toohototnot,MMF is just the riht number.
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RHP User
16 years ago
has been a fantasy of our for some time, but luckily we recently meet a nice enough couple to take care of the wife. More or less, hunny dropped wife of to a couples house for a sexy massage, which turned into a sexy 3 some. Sure, hubby wasnt there to watch, but the only stipulation with teh couple was they took pics, to show teh fun they had. This was great, as it let wife go ahead at her own pace, exploring and doing what she wanted without pressure of hubby there, and i t allowed her to explore her sexuality. We have no hesitations with doing this as a couple, but hubby thought it woudl be nice to just allow the wife to have her own time. And yep, she absolutely loved it, orgasming many times...and we had a great time discussing it as well.
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RHP User
16 years ago
We've got a regular who at the moment does a fantastic job on my wife and it's amazing. One of the greatest turn-ons knowing/watching her achieve so much pleasure.I'm never left out - but sometimes their passion is so great I'll step right back and be a fly on the wall.....like watching a real live porno only meters away with the woman you love.It was a fantasy for a long time and took us a while to make that step but it's really opened doors for us. Not only that but it shows just how rock solid the foundations of a good relationship are if you can commit and go through with such a thing.Just a little tidbit, there is a name and whole 'community' devoted to this thing if your interested further. Google 'Cuckolding'.Good luck and happy fucking ;)
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RHP User
16 years ago
I love watching my girl with other men, and she loves to watch me with other women. Love the look on her face when she is about to cum on another mans face or dick!!!! The pure look of passion, I feel, is best experienced from across the room!! The more men with her the merrier!!
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RHP User
16 years ago
hey guys well it is a big turn on (i dont know why) to watch another guy fucking my wife.... and just watching how much she loving it really turn me on xoxox Dave n Kirst
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RHP User
16 years ago
My wife runs hot and cold on the idea. When she is hot look out, we have tried many different ways, me watching, me joining in and menot being there at all. Weirdly the one I got the most out of was when I wasn't there, she came home and told me all about it. Blew my mind. Not sure what drives it - but we just go with it when the chance arrises. I have a small penis which helps motivate her!
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RHP User
16 years ago
I have always enjoyed sharing. My turn on is the facial expressions and the new sounds. Everyone likes a new toy, and watching her play with a new present it a huge turn on. Hearing a moan of pleasure that hasnt derived from you, the widening eyes as the new arrival pushes home. This type of play gives you a place you can revisit at a later time, if only in imagination. "I remember how much you moaned as he slid deep inside you babe" Sharing is caring...
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RHP User
16 years ago
would love to see my wife being fucked by the right man but would want to join in
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RHP User
16 years ago
I am on both sides of this exciting fantasy, hoping for reality. Not only do I want to be the one that is with someone elses wife but want other guys to be with my wife as well. Am still looking for the right guy or (guys even better) to come to my place and satisfy ny wife. Looking forward to the exciting times ahead.
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RHP User
16 years ago
would like watch my wife being filled with one or more guys as long as i was watching and playing as well
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RHP User
16 years ago
if my boy wasnt so damn good maybe, i just think with other guys id be dissappointed
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RHP User
16 years ago
if my boy wasnt so damn good maybe, i just think with other guys id be dissappointed
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RHP User
16 years ago
I think it would be great to watch my wife having sex with another man as long as I could join in and he a large cock
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RHP User
16 years ago
I've been a very lucky husband, I have had the pleasure of watching my wife with other guys for many years now and just love to see her hunger as she spreads herself ready for a strangers cock to enter her pussy or her sucking and licking a hard cock. She sometimes plays with a guy or guys when I'm not around and this is a great turn-on to be told about it later while she rides my cock with her often still spunky pussy.She loves the sex and I love to watch what more could we ask for.
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RHP User
16 years ago
yes sounds realy good but for some of us it will likely remain a fantasy
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RHP User
16 years ago
My fantasy involves having mrs rough tied up and blind folded while another guy and myself get busy -with herShe is not keen on penetration, but would love to feel another guy tickle her spot while she deep thoats memmmmmmm yum, mabe one day soon this will come about
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RHP User
16 years ago
Could not agree more, love filming and watching my wife with other men.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Of course its a turn on... again its a matter of finding a couple where the guy knows what hes doing seems hard..but we are learning ...thats half the fun
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RHP User
16 years ago
feel free to add me to msn for a chat ladies.hope to Talk soon.
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RHP User
16 years ago
the fantasy of watching your wife being pounded by one or more guys is greatl Actually watching it is even better, but we find the best part, the 2 of us watching the the home made vid of it later
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RHP User
16 years ago
what ever happened to honouring vows & til death us do part? if i chose to marry, i wouldn't be on here looking for additional - just my opinion, especially when a lot of marrieds say vows in front of a priest.
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RedHotCoast
16 years ago
I didnt know you had another profile on here.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Hubby took me too a G.B a couple of years ago met this interesting fellow (me thinks yummy)this being my 1st time but I persisted in going with him(hubby)to a series of gang bangs till 1 evening I thought good for the gander good for the goose , hmmm slutty or not it was fun fun fun with all those yummy men and the pleasure it gave me and hubby watched seems as it turned him on no end had to ask my permission if he could stand in line and or touch me.that was the start of my adventures intoand he likes no loves to watch me regulaly gettin my fix if all those yummy yum yums
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RHP User
16 years ago
Sexshinecoast- Funny as!
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RHP User
16 years ago
I have had nothing but good experiances with other guys we have meet.. hubby likes to watch but normally ends up in the action at my request, never can get too much of a good thing.. x
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RHP User
16 years ago
Perfect angles we would love to come play with u both give us a message and we can tee something up ...
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RHP User
16 years ago
As long as there is no pain and it is all about pleasure. Natural everyone is comfortable then go for it. ciao Hermes
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RHP User
16 years ago
hey another kalgoorlie person
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RHP User
16 years ago
can we cum as too
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RHP User
16 years ago
We have done MMF twice in recent times, and you definately have to have the right guy with you for the ride. I suggest you get her to pick him, not you. Apart from that I often come home from work with a raging hard on, hoping my wife has been really naughty with another guy or guys, girl, or couple, and then tells me bout it when I get home. I don't know what it is about her being a right little slut that turns me on, but by god it turns me on, so look out when it happens - hehe !! (i mean slut in a nice way). We both love the idea and believe it can only get even better, especially if she picks the guy !!
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RHP User
16 years ago
my man would love that two mmmmmmmmmmm so would i i am a machine lol
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RHP User
16 years ago
I have to say that it was a fantasy and it come true for a while,It was fun until one night i had to leave the room for a few minutes and when i came back in it was really different like the mood had changed and i was not a part of it.The guy had tried to be the alpha male which was never a problem before we were both on the same page and that just killed the mood as my wife sensed it as well.We learnt a good lesson that night with having a f/buddy dont keep them for to long ,but it was hot for a while until that night.
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Something related with that
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Going somewhere & want to hook up?
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Hasn't that topic been posted before?
RHP's popular dating tool
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Where the heck did that topic go?
Discover what RHP is doing offline
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RHP member's RL secrets
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