M59 F62
FORE SKIN or not... :-S
August 06 2009
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RHP User
16 years ago
I've been an "intactivist" for many years Mrs P. Back in the day when a guy couldnt get a regular bath, then circumcision had a real role to forfill... but these days in most societies, it is more for the ritual than anything else. It hit the highs in this country in the 1950's with the puritan american influence that it would "reduce the incidence of masturbation" and its cleaner etc... all the old arguments roled up... all fo them more to do with religios influence and ritual than anything else. NOw, I dont know about you, but seems to me that a guy with a foreskin has more fun wanking than a guy without... because there's more juice and there's the sensation fo the foreskin gliding over his glans... both absent from cut guys cock.... but did it stop us from wanking? Not one bit. We just spit on the old dick there and go for it anyway. SO then there's the cleanliness argument ---- I mean, c'mon how long does it take to wash a cock... let's face it, I take 10 minutes washing mine and Im circumscised... so what did removing my foreskin save? Nope, if you got a dick and you dont wash it.. you'll get dick cheese, whether cut or not. Its not like we are running around the desert like the 80 year old Abraham was with a grain of sand caught under our foreskin.. no wonder he took to it with a hatchet! Tight foreskin.... this can be caused by the glans growing quicker than the foreskin during puberty... there are stretching exercises that one can do to resolve this if it causes discomfort. Smegma stuck to glans ... when boys are born their foreskin is stuck to their glans by smegma and usually a kid will fiddle with his willy and ultimately his foreskin will free up. Some boys don't fiddle enough and get to puberty and have a foreskin stuck with smegma... a bit of olive oil, some persistence and some patience and persistence and time is all that is required to rectify... then regular bathing just like everybody else. So what about the modern arguments... circumcision reduces HIV.... American men have the highest circumscion ratio in the world... about 50% perhaps a little more.... they also have the highest number of HIV+ inhabitants in the western world... so removing foreskins hasnt done much for stopping HIV in the USA... nope.. HIV is transmitted by unsafe sex, not by foreskins... for your own sake, use a condom. What's left? It looks better? C'mon... a cock is never pretty... in fact the meaner and uglier they look the sexier they are... they're built to bore you a new hole and they should like like they will... form follows function. If you don't have one, you are missing one. Simply by its presence it adds "more".... more to play with... more to feel with. Frankly, unless there's a good medical reason people should leave the foreskin on babies alone. Give your sons a good splash in the bath until the ewater gets cold... that's all the attention normally required of a parent to keep those forekins intact.
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kassmebits
16 years ago
after a bad experience when i was younger with a v yucky one, only like circumsized ones !! I like the nice clean feel of it, but thats just a personal preference!!
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playfulminx
16 years ago
I think circumcision as a topic stirs up a lot of heated debates in various babies/kids forums so to keep things simple, I will say that I don't believe it's a decision for me to make for my son (unless there is a medical or religious reason). If my son gets to 18 and thinks he doesn't want a foreskin, then it's his body and he can sort it out lolAs long as the decision to circumcise is well-informed, fine. I think you'll find that in 20 years, uncut penises will be the norm.
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RHP User
16 years ago
If there are no underlying medical reasons for a boy to be circumsized.....then I dont belive it should be allowed. Just like I dont believe in female circumcision. As Gaz pointed out the "cleanliness" argument does not hold if the child has been taught how to correctly clean his willy. And it looks better??? Agree again Gaz..lets face it, the male sexual organ is never all that good lookin (IMO) so that argument does not hold for me either. From a personal perspective sexually......I have been with only 1 "uncut" man and WOW...the sex is GREAT!!!
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RHP User
16 years ago
Great discussion yet again with good comments from all. Nothing worse than a smelly cock or pussy for that matter. Keep it clean! Looks are eye of the beholder. Soft uncut cocks look like aliens to me and none look like my cock at all. At school when I was growing up only the guys from Italy were uncut and they were rare. I had no choice in the matter and was cut and dont remember it at all. Now I fell cheated and in fact wish I had a foreskin. I am going to change our profile now re my foreskin paranoia and I hope to get over it. Mars
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RHP User
16 years ago
Never had any problem with being without a foreskin. Sex is sex and most of it is in the head anyway, literally and figuratively. All my life women have told me that they prefer cut men and others said they didn't mind either. Not one said that they preferred and "entire".
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RHP User
16 years ago
Being a cut guy I've never known any different, and although I'd probably not have my future/potential children circumcised because it is useless, I'm happy that I am. What can I say, I like my turtle neck.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Peachy , it is interesting alright , here is another one you might find interesting …. http://www.norm-uk.org/circumcision_lost.html Mars, you are right to say it was very common at one point here in Australia. In the 1950’s circumcision peaked at 90% of new born males being circumcised in Australia. But the number started to decline after that, In 1971 the he Australian Pediatric Association recommended against circumcision (Medical Journal of Australia, 22 May 1971, p. 1148) and by 1975 the rate of cut boys had dropped to 50% . By 1990 it dropped to 20% and by 2000 it had dropped to 12 %, and still is only 12 % of infant males being circumcised. if you are feeling cheated you are not alone, check out NORM here .... http://www.norm.org/ Guys all over the world are suing both their parents and the doctors that circumcised them. For example here in Perth Shane Peterson did just that .. November 1999.In Perth, WA, Shane Peterson sues the doctor who circumcised him as an infant for disability, pain and suffering arising from the operation. In an out of court settlement the physician admitted liability and agreed to a payment of $A360,000. http://www.circinfo.org/account.html
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RHP User
16 years ago
Being cut myself aswell and never having a say, I was interested when I heard about Foreskin Restoration. I looked into it a bit but never bought one of the kits but basically a thing you stretch what skin you have left over at the moment over rub it with cocoa butter and in only 18 months (Time frame turned me off too) you can have a reuncircumcised little fella. Heres a general info page for it. http://www.cirp.org/pages/restore.html But another interesting fact related to the cut/uncut argument I've read and had confirmed from female friends, is that cut guys fuck harder... Apparently because of the removed nerve endings along with the foreskin aswell as it not having a cover so it doesn't desensitize rubbing against your jeans all day, Makes cut men require more vigorous stimulation then uncircumcised men, hence prefering the hard fuck. I cant remember where I found it to link the article but thought it interesting all the same. The Mr. PS. And general preference here is CLEAN. If you wash your junk properly (guys and girls) you wont hear any complaints from us on what it looks like. Mr and Mrs
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RHP User
16 years ago
Personally...I dont care if a cock is cut or not....its more about the man its connected to that turns does it for me.Gaz....well written and witty...excellent!Just my opinion....BJxxx
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RHP User
16 years ago
Personally I couldn't be fussed, I prefer hygiene thanks!I like uncut as in my opinion I think the guys get off more being more sensitive....I know fordy certainly is Plus I think it's much easier to give an uncut guy head than cut... the foreskin acts as a lil helper lolSorry wewantit.... but the "Apparently because of the removed nerve endings along with the foreskin aswell as it not having a cover so it doesn't desensitize rubbing against your jeans all day, Makes cut men require more vigorous stimulation then uncircumcised men, hence prefering the hard fuck." I know that one to be an absolute myth, out of all the uncut guys I've ever fucked, and one for the last 10yrs non-stop..and those who have had the pleasure of me in the sack know just how much I love it hard and rough ALL the time.. not once have the uncut guys not been able to pound away for all they're worth.I mean sheesh... why else do you think fordy is called "the jackhammer"
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RHP User
16 years ago
OK i'm cut, never had a problem with it, had pleasing comments from many a partner as to the look of it and i don't feel as if i'm missing anything.... However... not sure if this is a result of having my glans exposed, not wearing underwear often, or rampant horniness (or a combination) but i find the slightest contact with my exposed end will induce a headspinning erection at almost anytime of the day. A brush of cotton fabric, the grace of a loose bedsheet, the careless tousle of a renegade hand, even a gentle breeze and BAM!! it's on and out of control. I find no de-sensitivity issues at all whatsoever... i can imagine if i had parts that made me anymore sensitive i would never enjoy the relaxing respite of a resting wang. As for stamina, duration or hard smack hammerdown pounding sex the chopped top has also been no handicap. i guess it would be nice not to have been tampered with without consent, but i have yet to consider it a negative contributer beyond that.
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RHP User
16 years ago
I've never really liked the look of the foreskin on my penis so when i was around 27 i booked myself in for a vasectomy and while i was there asked if i could have my foreskin removed at the same time . all i can say is faarrk me that was a rough couple of weeks afterwards but i would gladly do it all over again i would definatly agree that it has reduced the sensitivity but come on guy's lets face it what do you get your kicks out of in the bedroom ?i know i get far more satisfaction from controling my orgasim untill my partner is spent and fully satisfied . There have been other unexpected benifits such as i can now comfortably go without wearing underware also i used to have dramas with getting a stray pubes caught under the foreskin which would cause little cuts on the very sensitive skin (much like the skin in the corner of your mouth) which would be sore for days. all in all i just feel more comfortable with my penis now for some reason i was always embarrised by it (mabey that has something to do with the fact all the other males in my famaliy were circumcised) but all in all i love my new cock to me it now feels like a cock as aposed to a penis i know many wouldnt understand that but im also sure many of you would if there are any guys thinking about undergoing an adult curcumsision and you want to know anything about it im quite happy to answer any questions
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RHP User
16 years ago
See the thing is Mozzz and Peekaboo..... I completely support adult circumcision.. Mozzz at 27 was old enough to make a decision. As I said, I am an intactivist but as a circumscised guy I don't lament being circumscised... like you say Peekaboo my junk works fine as it is. I just cant' see any logical reason to arbitrarily cut foreskins off babies.
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RedHotCoast
16 years ago
I had a bad accident as a kid resulting in my eyelid being removed. They replaced it with my foreskin. The up side is I have great forsight thou Im a little cockeyed at times and known to be a bit of a dickhead.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Nice to have a comment from someone that knows both sides Mozzz.Gaz - 10 minutes to wash your dick...no wonder there are water shortages, are you getting yourself off everytime you have a shower? You know the recommend time for showers is only 5 minutes which I admit I like longer showers.As for me I'm cut so admit I know no different. I've never had a woman tell me she wishes I was uncut but have had some say they were glad I was.I think now that cut is the minority it may even become more popular for women.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Ok...I was one of those lil boys born at the end of the 70's when femenist rights were all ablaze and women were trying to wrestle control of the world from "oppresive" men...in my case my mothers eye's,male doctors. I was not circumcised as a little boy and grew up normally until I started to have erections and play with girls.To me I always assumed that the way my foreskin was, was normal....and everything that came with it.Unfortunatly over time I found this to not be true and actually quite painful physically as well as emotionally not nice when a girl cheats on you over a foreskin) I at the time was having massive issue's because I could not roll the foeskin past more than halfway of the penis head, and if I did it was extremely painful and often ended up with tiny tears in the skin.Add to the that the lack of interest suddenly from a girl you adore who will not give you oral because of this lump of skin in her mouth,and the hygiene issue which is constant. I decided to get a circumcision done and it literally took me 5yrs to get it organised and researched.I started with having the Frenulum cut but that made no difference and cost me just over $700 in medical cost and doctors visits.So...after being referred to a specialist I had a full general op...with all the risk of any full operation,and got it done.It was a day in hospital and 2 weeks of bed rest with constant washing and cleaning and agonising mornings when I'd wake up with an erection and find I'd ripped a stitch out!! Because of the stress my skin went through I caught an infection because of the stitches,but by that time ( approx 2 weeks) I decided enough skin had re-joined to pull out almost all the stiches and what happened?? Well within 2 days with anti biotic cream and tablets it healed 100%.I was not able to have sex for at least 6 weeks in case the skin ripped... The all up cost of the experience was well over $3000 and thats not including the cost of the visits afterwards to the doc for a 60 second check up at $250 a pop!!! The experience I say was more traumatic to me as an adult than as it would have been as a baby....10 second snip at birth as opposed to 2 weeks of stress and pain...you do the sums. I am glad though that I had it done as it is so much cleaner, the sensations are so much better...including a hell of alot more sensitivity under the head (frenulum), it's definatly thicker now, looks so much better and the best part.....every woman I've been with loves sucking it saying it feels like the perfect shape/thickness/smoothness and I'm complimented on how clean I am. I now crave blowjobs,deepthroat definatly and seeing a woman adore my cock.If I ever meet a woman who wants to marry me and we have boys..they will get the cut no questions asked.Every man I know who's cut compared to thos who are not all agree cut is better.Women prefer cut straight out....the only one's banging on about it are femenists and those who feel it's their right to control someone's destiny without asking. I have discussed this with my mother to a certain extent ( due to the notification of next of kin for the op) and she has said if she knew what i would be going through she would have done it when I was born.To say the baby feels it and i in agony and will remember it is absolute bullshit.You'd be in more agony and pain,going through the trauma of birth than a snip of the foreskin....and how many people vividly remember the pain/stress/trauma of coming through your mothers birth canal???? So in short...circumcision when done by a professional in professional medical settings is justified in my book.That's my 10c worth from personal experience.I was I think 27 or 28 when I had it done and my only regrets are the costs involved,not getting it done sooner and a nice lil scar which had it been done as a kid, would not have even shown up.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Quoting 'US2PLUSU2' Guys all over the world are suing both their parents and the doctors that circumcised them. For example here in Perth Shane Peterson did just that .. November 1999.In Perth, WA, Shane Peterson sues the doctor who circumcised him as an infant for disability, pain and suffering arising from the operation. In an out of court settlement the physician admitted liability and agreed to a payment of $A360,000. http://www.circinfo.org/account.html Not that I'm that much of an asshole to my parents to sue them for their house and leave them homeless...I wonder if I can suit my mothers doctor from 1977 for the pain,suffering,emotional stress and financial disability I incurred having to be circumcised????
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RHP User
16 years ago
While I understand that your personal experience was very traumatic for you and will say more on your post later when answering the many worthy responses on this thread, as I like to do when people take the time to answer my queries.I also understand that everyone's experience is different and ask that you also respect that by not making judgments of others situations that you have no understanding of!!!Mrs Peachypearas always accompanied by MrPeachypearwithout who...none of this would be possible!
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RHP User
16 years ago
Quoting 'Peachypear'I also understand that everyone's experience is different and ask that you also respect that by not making judgments of others situations that you have no understanding of!!! Excuse me.....but how do I not have a 100% understanding of the topic of circumcision when I used to be uncut but went have had an adult circumcision myself?? I think.....as a MALE with a penis that's been both un-circumcised and now is circumcised...I would have infinately more physical,personal and emotional experience than you...unless you happen to have a penis yourself?
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RHP User
16 years ago
Being born with a difficiency of clotting agents in my blood resulting in me being a heavy bleeder and as a result was left uncircumcised where as my brother was cut. I guess I never really thought too much only that I new my penis was different from my brothers. But later in life as I approached puberty I started to have doubts. I seemed to be the odd one out in the change rooms at swimming and footy as the greater percentage of boys in my generation were circumcised. This was the source of much anguish and torment when kids being kids would tease me about it. As a result from about the age of 13 I started leaving my foreskin pulled back over the glans all the time in an effort to look "normal". To this day I keep my forskin pulled back, not for any phobia about being normal but more that its just the way it stays even if I try to pull it over. I think as long as your personal higene is good then what does it matter, except for personal taste eg: Vagina's- inny or outy?, Nipples- big or small?, Ford or Holden. We are all different and that's what makes this world so interesting. I dont think any one can comment on the sensativity issue unless having experience on both sides of the fence. I certainly have no problem pounding my wife's pussy or that of her fuck buddies she invites into our bed until they can take no more. Very interesting topic though.Cheers, Mr BadKitty007
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RHP User
16 years ago
lol... why is everyone underlining their text? It makes it harder to read and seems like you think nobody is listening so you want to make yourself "important... fear not... your opinion is important! I do not think you need a dick to have a reasonable opinion on this subject. Some women have seen more cock up close and personal than the average heterosexual guy ever will... just saying.... and I hazard to guess that for every guy out there who had a problem with their foreskin, there's another guy out there who laments not having one... and I know there are some who got botched circumsicions that left them scarred physically and emotionally for life. There's a lot of guys trying to restore their foreskins even though it takes two years of painful stretching.... and a lot of guys, like me, who are just happy to get a root come what may. This subject is always a very emotional topic which goes to the heart of the question of arbitrtary circumcision of little babies. I mean, let's solve a problem if it arises, just like Asho77 did.... however not every boy has the problem that Asho77 did.... And since baby boys also get erections there's every chance that they will also tear the stitches just like Asho77 did. I have no idea why he thinks it doesnt hurt a baby. That's just ignorance I guess.
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RHP User
16 years ago
underline ANYTHING in my last post!!! And well said, but I spent ages on this,and now just have to hope RHP actually posts it Uuummm asho77 you said... "Excuse me.....but how do I not have a 100% understanding of the topic of circumcision when I used to be uncut but went have had an adult circumcision myself?? I think.....as a MALE with a penis that's been both un-circumcised and now is circumcised...I would have infinately more physical,personal and emotional experience than you...unless you happen to have a penis yourself?"in answer to... Quoting MRS Peachypear... "I also understand that everyone's experience is different and ask that you also respect that by not making judgments of others situations that you have no understanding of!!!"I'd like to make it clear that I was objecting to the heading on your post... "So this is how I can make a quick buck!?!" aimed at US2PLUSU2 considering...the topic US2PLUSU2 responded to on this thread that I started is... "How do others feel about performing circumcision on babies where there is no real medical reason for it knowing that there are medical reasons against it"He responded from the point of view of someone who wondered if he could sue his mothers doctor from 1977 for the pain,suffering,emotional stress and financial disability he incurred having to be circumcised!!!! A statement that is now missing from his post which is a bit strange considering it's still on yours lol.You, like myself, cannot possibly have any understanding of his situation, considering we have no idea of his story aside from the implications and neither of us was circumcised as babies. I can't thank you enough for sharing your, very different from his, personal experience from the point of view of a man who was not circumcised as a baby, who later developed physical and emotional issues and consequently had himself circumcised as an adult that is now entirely satisfied with his situation He however, is stuck with the arbitrary decision made for him without his permission at an age where the need was unnecessary, that has caused him physical and emotional issues that he may never be able to resolve as an adult considering there are only limited possibilities of restoring his or any other man's foreskin to it's previous condition Rapt 4 u that all has worked out well!!!CheersMrsPPS: As a woman... I DEF prefer uncut men for appearance as well as play as you'll find I have commented here and there on different threads. MrP and I sometimes sit and relax and watch a movie and I luv being able to slide his foreskin up and down over the second most sensitive area of his penis, the rim around the base of his head
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RHP User
16 years ago
My apologies to asho!... for misunderstanding that I thought you were directing your comment in your heading at US2 in particular... Gaz, "intactivist" eh? Ur a regular font of info' and your post is as always wonderfully thoro! Yes I googled "intactivist" lol and checked out http://www.circumstitions.com/. kassmebits... I imagine poor hygiene probably puts a lot of people off! Maybye a good forum topic there on how others deal with it when meeting with the possibility of play? playfulminx... an insightful and thoughtful response as always. Couldn't agree with you more that I don't believe it's a decision for me to make for my son (only unless there was a medical reason in my case tho, I think religion has a lot to answer for already) and if my son decided he didn't want a foreskin, then it's his body and he can sort it out lol. Ms 2cumsee... excellent points and well put lol! I googled female circumcision as I considered what I wanted to say in the post. It def has some similarities in my mind but is now called Female genital mutilation/cutting as explained @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting.Mars... I agree, there's been great comments. Thnx very much for your comment from the point of view of someone who was cut and feels cheated. Mr ric939... Glad to hear you've never had any problem as I imagine and would like to think most men haven't. I remember reading somewhere that the brain is the biggest sex organ. I do enjoy being the exception to the rule and at the risk of repeating myself DEF prefer my men 'au naturale' tho I certainly wouldn't hold it against a guy lol. DonnyMac... hahahaha is that a long neck or a short neck turtle lol. I'm wit ya on the uselessness of circumcision in most cases!Mr US2PLUSU2... thank you, the stats you mentioned sound much more promising these days. I checked out all the links you posted. Sorry I mixed up what it was you said in your post when reading the quote on asho's post. I was confused by the lines and pale text that made it seem that the bit at the end by asho was a part of your post.Quote asho... "Not that I'm that much of an asshole to my parents to sue them for their house and leave them homeless...I wonder if I can suit my mothers doctor from 1977 for the pain,suffering,emotional stress and financial disability I incurred having to be circumcised????" Ta 4 that Mr wewantit247... I'm fascinated to think it is possible to somewhat restore a foreskin to it's former glory.MrsPFinally
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RHP User
16 years ago
MissBJ... just like to say, I also think Gaz' post is well written and witty too ;-)mrsfordy... yup, much easier to give head with the foreskin acting as a lil helper! :-P Universalnomad... I had wondered if there might also be the possible reaction of extra sensitivity tho that might also have to do with that other sex organ, mentioned above, the brain lol. Mr mozzz_n_sugaz... thnx for confirming that in your case at least, that even as an adult, there was indeed some loss of sensitivity. Good to hear that as a result of your decision to have a circumcision you feel more yourself.Mr sexshinecoast... I hope you're not expecting a deep and meaningful comment for that roflol :-Dlovenlust... hehehehe it's only 5 min ea if Gaz is sharing the shower... not that he mentioned shower in his post lol. I figured a lot of men, having always been cut would probably say that they've always known no different, it does make perfect sense. I was impressed by the fellas that posted that they felt 'cheated'. Personally... I would like to see an end to circumcisions on babies unless there is a medical reason, considering it is pretty much an irreversible process that can pose an unnecessary, serious health threat.Hugs allMrs P
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RHP User
16 years ago
Wow Asho, all i can think is OUCH!! Good for you for having the guts to go through with it as an adult. And I agree wholeheartedly with you. If I had boys there wouldve been no question that it would be done when they were babies. As for personal preference, I wouldn't give oral to a man who wasn't cut. Tried it once and found it very disconcerting. So cut, cut away i say! LOL Glad ur all in working order now ;) Elljae
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RHP User
16 years ago
We had a play with our regular STD tested bi guy yesterday. We talked about cut and he reminded me that he was uncut until at ar 22 when he had it done. Quite painful where his words. I am sure its painfull for babies too but I doubt as painfull. Its probably the after effects and not the actual operation that is painfull...imagine being an adult guy in his 20s getting continual hard ons knowing full well it will happen again. Babies dont have that. Reason why he did it? He had booked in for the snip and thought while he weas there he would get cut as well. Naieve? Yes. The snip [from personal experience some years ago] is easy as, no pain and a very small scar whereas cut ie removing the foreskin is far more serious with a lot of tissue [foreskin etc] removal and the horendus ateraffects with erections. Why did you do it I asked him. His words "I didnt like the look of it ever ie the foreskin flapping around / half sucked sausage look and I didnt like the 'cheeze' smell at times. So I took it off" He is now cut and loves it. He tells me no loss of sernsitity. He kept a good erection for many hours and we all had a nice play. Even a DP pussy and of course Venus had DP mouth as well. It was nice to suck. Mars
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RHP User
16 years ago
That the one's who say they prefer a cut cock the most are women....but it's the women who are saying it's wrong and barbaric!!! Is this one of those secret womens rules where you can contradict yourself and always be right because you're a woman??
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RHP User
16 years ago
Well we now have a few stories from both sides. Guys like me who were cut at birth, several brave guys who had adult cuts and of course the uncut guys. Also women who play with all types of cocks ie cut and uncut. So whats the go? I recon cut at birth is the go. I was and again I thank my parents for doing so. I dont remember it at all. My own 26 year son was and still is uncut due to doctrors refusing to do the operation in those days. I wish I had been stronger. It was the fashion then and seen as the right thing to do. We do forget history time and time again. The guy in Perth and I quote below from ASHO77 who sued his doctor should be ashamed at himself and so should the stinking lawyer who represented him. One can only hope the doctors know who they are next time they are opened up. What some people will do for money. I am still going to try an uncut cock but will wash it well and I do hope I never smell that cock cheeze. Mars Quoting 'US2PLUSU2' Guys all over the world are suing both their parents and the doctors that circumcised them. For example here in Perth Shane Peterson did just that .. November 1999.In Perth, WA, Shane Peterson sues the doctor who circumcised him as an infant for disability, pain and suffering arising from the operation. In an out of court settlement the physician admitted liability and agreed to a payment of $A360,000. http://www.circinfo.org/account.html
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RHP User
16 years ago
Please correct me if I'm wrong! Reading from the left... The 1st part under CUT for both men and women are the answers for my original post... 'YES, I would circumcise' or 'no I would NOT circumcise' a boy as a baby... The 2nd part for the men 'DUN OK' tells us... if they were cut as a BABY or an ADULT or NOT lol... and the + or - symbols tells if they were happy about it+ or not-... the 2 men cut as adults were unhappy- that they had to but happy+ with the results. MEN + CUT - DUN OK Profile Name * NOT - BABY + Gazpacho * NOT - BABY + DonnyMac * YES - BABY + Mars_n_Venus * ??? - BABY + ric939 * ??? - BABY + Universalnomad * ??? - BABY + lovenlust * ??? - BABY - Mr wewantit247 * ??? - ADULT-+ Mozzz * YES - ADULT-+ asho77 * ??? - NOT - Mr BadKitty007 * ??? - ???? ? Mr US2PLUSU2 The 2nd part for the women 'PREF?' is for if we... DEF:O prefer our men uncircumcised or NOT:P WOMEN + CUT - PREF? - Profile Name * NOT - DEF:O - Mrs Peachypear * NOT - ????? - playfulminx * NOT - ????? - Mrs 2cumsee * YES - NOT:P - Elljae * ??? - NOT:P - kassmebits * ??? - DEF:O - mrsfordy * ??? - ????? - MissBJ ??? Question marks of course are for those I wasn't sure about or those that didn't say. In my case, I did not, and at the time of posting this thread would not have circumcised my son even before reading about the frenulum etc Cheers all MrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
quoting mars The guy in Perth who sued his doctor should be ashamed at himself and so should the stinking lawyer who represented him. I wonder why should he be ashamed ? did you read his story and find something to be non genuine ? I originally posted about this guy because it is very relevant to this debate as it has set a legal prescient and as many are already discovering getting a doctor to cut babies in Australia is getting difficult in one part due to the increasing likelihood of civil action being bought against doctors who commit it.
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RHP User
16 years ago
MAN+ CUT - DUN OK Profile Name* NOT - NOT + Mr Peachypear
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RHP User
16 years ago
Quoting 'US2PLUSU2' Guys all over the world are suing both their parents and the doctors that circumcised them. For example here in Perth Shane Peterson did just that .. November 1999.In Perth, WA, Shane Peterson sues the doctor who circumcised him as an infant for disability, pain and suffering arising from the operation. In an out of court settlement the physician admitted liability and agreed to a payment of $A360,000. http://www.circinfo.org/account.html I wondered if you read Shane Patterson's story at the link supplied at the end of US2PLUSU2's post or any of the other personal accounts of circumcision injury MrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
Peach, you should be a sex journalist or write sexy novels. You have so much material here. You said you wouldn't hold it against me 'cos I'm cut. I'm away OS with Ms ric for three months but hope that when we return, you will hold mine against you. lol.XXric
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RHP User
16 years ago
Yes MrsP you are very resourceful, this has been an excellent topic a fantastic read, thank you all for your input. It's not really about whether its better to have or not to have had or which we enjoy more or less, sexually. It's about whether or not to mutilate baby boys at birth?..... My opinion on that one is a definate NO. Medical reasons and/or adult choices, I have no place to comment but I do say 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it!'
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RedHotCoast
16 years ago
You left me off the list. Im happy as I can blink and wink much better now.
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RHP User
16 years ago
I kept laughing every time I read it, put me right off actually thinking lol
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RHP User
16 years ago
Quoting 'Mars_n_Venus' ""The guy in Perth and I quote below from ASHO77 who sued his doctor should be ashamed at himself and so should the stinking lawyer who represented him. One can only hope the doctors know who they are next time they are opened up. What some people will do for money."" WTF..?!?!? When did I sue my doctor because I obviusly got ripped in legal fee's seeing as I never got any compo...he he?? I think you should stop worrying about your foreskin and get your eye's checked out...because you're clearly getting very confused about who sued who or not really reading the post as how it was written.
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RHP User
16 years ago
I will read the Shane story. Maybe its a knee jerk reaction to the way the world is going. Everyone suing everyone for many trivial things. Doctors charging everyone heaps [and many other professional people mind you] all because of increasing insurance premiums caused in the main by these insurance rip offs. The doctors insurance probably paid for most of it. Premuims go up. Then we all pay more. Sure I hate negligence and if this doc was then I am sorry to all if I lost my ususl [lol] cool. An eye for a eye. btw I wasnt mutilated at birth...my cock is beautiful Mars
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16 years ago
ric... thank you for all the lovely things you have been saying to me throughout the forums, I'll be getting back to you on at least one of those... atm I gotta tell you, the material on this thread is a lot to take in but well worth it Busso!!! U BABE :-P, thnx as always! I know u say it, u mean it. I think I understand where you are coming from with the word mutilate which IS an emotive word to use but I then SO is barbaric! D'ya know, your comment at the end, 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it!', put what I've been wanting to say so simply and beautifully! Mars... glad to hear that you will read Shane's story. And, ahh yes, having refreshed my memory... beautiful indeed, and no you can't see me look at ya's profile :-P But I'm sure beautiful B_B did not mean it quite that way tho you would have to ask her to be sure :-D asho, I believe you should read Mars' post properly rofpmlol!!!Punctuation is called for here... not punchuation.I think Mar's post should read,"The guy in Perth, and I quote below from ASHO77, who sued..."Quoting 'Mars_n_Venus'The guy in Perth and I quote below from ASHO77 who sued his doctor should be ashamed at himself and so should the stinking lawyer who represented him. One can only hope the doctors know who they are next time they are opened up. What some people will do for money.Quoting 'US2PLUSU2'Guys all over the world are suing both their parents and the doctors that circumcised them. For example here in Perth Shane Peterson did just that ..November 1999.In Perth, WA, Shane Peterson sues the doctor who circumcised him as an infant for disability, pain and suffering arising from the operation. In an out of court settlement the physician admitted liability and agreed to a payment of $A360,000. http://www.circinfo.org/account.htmlI repeat my question to asho77...I wondered if you read Shane Patterson's story at the link supplied at the end of US2PLUSU2's post or any of the other personal accounts of circumcision injuryCheers RHPersMrs Peachypear
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RHP User
16 years ago
Neil Peterson: Constant pain from infant circumcision UI [University of Iowa] freshman Neil Peterson grew up convinced that he was no different from other boys even though he spent much of those years in excruciating pain. The Missouri native experienced uncomfortable erections from early childhood until two years ago, when the 24-year-old anthropology student discovered that he suffered from a rare complication after being circumcised too tightly. Since then, he's spoken out about the procedure and formed a local chapter of Students for Genital Integrity, a nationwide support group. "I had to recognize that I was unhappy the way I was," he said. "[Forming the group] was a very un-American thing for me to do, because society normalcy calls for circumcision in men. It has healed me to talk about it." Peterson said his complication was healed after he learned to stretch his foreskin out to alleviate his condition. Although he no longer experiences pain, he is dedicated to speaking out against genital mutilation. Circumcision and other types of bodily mutilation are crimes against human rights, Peterson said. His group contends that children should not be forcibly circumcised, as they now are as infants at their parents' request. The group is dedicated to educating the public and doctors that circumcision is not necessary, in addition to highlighting the dangers of sex-reassignment surgery to distinguish hermaphrodites as male or female. The group will be formally recognized as a UI student organization next week, Peterson said. Peterson is planning to hold fund-raisers and host speakers at the university and write to representatives, expressing the need for a law barring circumcision in the United States. The Circumcision Information and Resource Pages reports that approximately 60 percent of American males are circumcised, down from nearly 90 percent in the 1960s. Edward Bell, a UI professor of pediatrics, said complications such as Peterson's are rare. The American Academy of Pediatrics says 0.2 to 0.6 percent of circumcisions end with complications. Bleeding and infection are two problems that can occur when a boy is circumcised, as well as scarring if the doctor removes too much foreskin. Bell said that circumcision has become an unnecessary procedure for most males. "Circumcision is more of a cultural issue than a medical one," he said. "It would be nice if parents didn't insist upon having their boys circumcised." Many parents don't want their boys to look different from their brothers, peers, or fathers, Bell said. "Circumcision has become cosmetic surgery, and it's really just a matter of personal preference," Bell said.
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RHP User
16 years ago
I went to the site and may have posted a comment on here by mistake. I was continuing to read the articles when I noticed my post had been sent by mistake unfinished. Let me say the 1st part of the website article clearly states Peterson and the operation happened in the USA. Later in the article another more detailed section says he was from Perth. Which is true and if so what is true? Is it more internet bullshit? Reading the 2nd part it sounds horrible. I guess any surgery has its risks and complication. The complication rate is ar .2 to .6 which is not much I guess. Well over 99 % are done well and some perfect. The thing is IF its done it should be done very early in life. That way there is no memory of the event. I have no idea on what it is like with a foreskin. I can orgasm and in general I enjoy sex but can also imagine having a foreskin as I have seen how they operate and it does look nice. But then our bi guy had hus done in his 20s and would do it again as I already discussed. There is no answer to this really. I am happy with my cut cock. Uncut guys must make sure they clean themselves extra special as some dont and thats why some cocksuckers hate foreskins. Same as a fishy pussy....yuk... Mars
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RHP User
16 years ago
Reading more into this and looking at pictures I am between a CI2 or CI3 on this scale. Just about right I recon. http://www.newforeskin.biz/CI/CIchart.htm Mars
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RHP User
16 years ago
Mars... Neil Peterson is not Shane Peterson hehehe...Shane Peterson's story starts after the following heading on the page...Assaulted and mutilated: Shane Peterson's account of circumcision traumaOooo, maybe that's where Babe got her mutilation reference...MrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
I can remember having my foreskin. It was very tight and hard to clean. I was "kidnapped" by my mother's best friend, the head nurse at the local hospital, when I was about four and despite my mother's protests, I was circumcised! Don't regret it at all but I understand the "not broken, don't fix" attitude.Peach always love your posts and look forward to a meeting in early November. Here's hoping anyway.Xx for each peach cheekCheeky Ric (and Ms Ric)
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RHP User
16 years ago
Being circumcised as a baby, I can't authoritatively comment on the before or after sensations. By golly though if the stimulation was any more acute, then I would be ejaculating with every movement. For as a teenager, any contact vibration or thought resulted in a roaring erection, usually at the most embarrassing times, locations or occasions. Talk about premature ejaculation, the body went into convulsions at even the thought of a vagina. The mind boggles at the prospects of even more stimulation. This is where girls are lucky, at worst a pair of damp undies, erect nipples, dilated pupils and a pink flush. No obviously visible naughty bits poking out in the classroom, on the bus, in a queue or at any other inconvenient moment or place. Years later, the erection may not stand quite so perpendicular, and rigidly parallel with the torso, but at least one can savor the moment a damn lot longer. A good mate, whose libido has always been out of control, was forever splitting his foreskin, resulting in lots of hurties from endless vigorous sex. Helped by the fact that his partner was and still is a nymphomaniac. The worst I've encountered is the knob becoming extra sensitive through over indulging. Even a well lubricated vagina can cause friction damage if the owner has an insatiable appetite. Can't think of any better way to be injured. Geez with public liability going overboard... paying damages to a burglar who trips over whilst stripping your belongings is bad enough, but if every guy who was circumcised was awarded $360,000 damages, then the medical fraternity would be charging a lot more than they do today. I can't remember being cut as a tot, or having any lingering memories, and unless it's a botched job, then it's a frivolous claim in my books. Next girls will be suing every boy who has a finger for the loss of her hymen. Some guys have extra tight foreskins and need to be circumcised in later years. Also the old uncut blokes who are incapacitated in nursing homes, need extra attention to prevent ongoing infections. Sadly, the dementia robs them of appreciating the extra attention, should they get lucky and have a kind and considerate carer. Interesting topic Ms P... thanks for posting
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RHP User
16 years ago
Hahaha... thank goodness they don't cut the nuts... eunuch.Personally, I've never met an uncircumcised man who had any issues during sex, I have now been further educated throughout the thread.Obviously, sensitivity is not an issue for a decent amount of men that were circumcised as babies which I didn't really imagine it would be when I first posted :-PI was more concerned with the idea of those who suffered obvious effects, the fella Shane Peterson mentioned in US2PLUSU2's post is a good, if extreme example. Can't believe there aren't a slew of fellas on RHP putting themselves forward on this thread as examples of those suffering permanent probs Quoting eunuch: Geez with public liability going overboard... paying damages to a burglar who trips over whilst stripping your belongings is bad enough, but if every guy who was circumcised was awarded $360,000 damages, then the medical fraternity would be charging a lot more than they do today.Couldn't agree with you more on the whole home invasion thing and have to say that it would be ridiculous giving every man that was circumcised any sort of pay out if the procedure was successful with NO lasting side effects. However the story of Shane Peterson who was awarded the $360,000 you mentioned is hardly that.And do you really think the medical fraternity would be charging any less? I don't... call me cynical. Been a carer in my younger years and still have very clear memories of 'Lesley', a dementia sufferer who would get most, 'offended' I felt, while I was trying to 'clean him'. I always felt I was intruding and he is one of very few that stand out in my memory from that time.Interesting response monsieur eunuch, thanks for posting
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RHP User
16 years ago
@ http://www.circinfo.org/account.htmlShane states in his current status that... "My parents would never have consented to my circumcision if this information had been made available to them."The brief mention below is included in the complications section of chart on the site...1997: Shane Peterson in Perth successfully sues doctor who circumcised him as an infant for excessive tissue removal, leading to erectile difficulties and constant pain. See full account below.The full account, which begins after that heading "Assaulted and mutilated: Shane Peterson's account of circumcision trauma" was written by the then 27-year-old postgraduate student (doing PhD) who was badly injured by a routine neonatal circumcision performed within days of his birth and begins about half way down the page and continues till the references at the end.The following quote by Shane is at the end of the Legal Action section...The admission of liability was vital to my sense of victory and vindication. I wanted public acknowledgement that I had been injured by routine neonatal circumcision. This injury was inflicted on me and has deprived me of freedom, liberty, and a normal life. For this reason, I refused to forego my freedom of speech and agree to a settlement that included a confidentiality clause, or a clause denying the medical practitioner's responsibility for my injury.
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RHP User
16 years ago
When the term Mutilation is used It dosnt mean it isn’t beautiful it just means its been modified or changed by surgical means. The term “Genital Mutilation” or "Human Gential Mutilation" is a common term used to describe circumcision in females and males. This term is used when referring to extreme types of genital cutting such as infibulation in males or females down to the mild cutting of the foreskin or prepuce in males or females . HGM or Human Genital Mutilation is commonly abbreviated to FGM standing for Female Genital Mutilation or MGM meaning Male Genital Mutilation. Both FGM and MGM are practiced from mild to the extreme forms around the globe and are done for the same reasons , see this interesting chart ………. http://www.boystoo.com/fgm&mgm.htm It puts a different angle on things to hear guys saying they like a circumcised woman because she is, cleaner , smells better , it looks better, ect ect , all the same arguments put forward by those that support male circumcision.
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RHP User
16 years ago
2 cents 4 wat its worthim uncut and love it never felt differant and i love the way it feels when mrs 73 pulls my forey all the way back.i love the senseitivity.my mother was a nurse at the time of my birth so i would of thought she would of seen both sides of the equation .i was taught to wash it properly and as a result have never had a problem.our son has been taught properlyand prior to him bathing himself mrs or i would pull it right back and clean it properly,result... np however 2 of his young friends have had the cut in the past 2 years,hes 9 btw.and thats due to ignorance and laziness by thier parents,like most things in life it aint rocket science.... circumcision in my opinion is barbaric and outdated,
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RHP User
16 years ago
Peachy Now I see they are 2 guys with same surname. Thanks. My mistake and I will try to be more careful. Have you had a look at http://www.newforeskin.biz/CI/CIchart.htm ? For foreskin lovers there are some extreeme examples at the latter end of the scale. Some nice soft cock shots then some raging hard cock shots of the same penis's. Just for you Peachy. None of mine but I might do some new ones soft, hard and raging. side by side. Mars Mars
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RHP User
16 years ago
Us2 plus No one here has said a thing about female circumcision. Not me for sure! Now this is barbaric. I have read a little on the subject [hope my brian was connect Peachy lol] and it means removal of the Cilt and Clit hood....no friggin way is that needed. Maybe you mean the girls who remove some of their pussy lips because they think they look bad....they dont and I love large full lips with large full Clits and hoods.There was a post on this subject in RHP. Very bad doctors! And silly girls. Good comment 73sexed up. Mars
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RHP User
16 years ago
US2PLUSU2Can't thank you enough for supplying your new link which does seem very relevent to me. I've had a quick look and will have a more indepth one but for now I'll just say, "I can see the irony of the point you are making".73sexedupThank you so much for that, a relief to have more uncut fellas weighing in with an opinion! And you're the second of three uncut man to say that he disagrees with circumcision. Mars Mars Mars...I haven't even had a chance to have a laugh with you at your last post lol... of course I had a look :-PHad a quick look thru the thread and as I remembered, the first time female circumcision was mentioned was by... Ms 2cumseeAug on the 06, 2009Quote: If there are no underlying medical reasons for a boy to be circumsized.....then I dont belive it should be allowed. Just like I dont believe in female circumcision.And the second was my response to Ms 2cumsee on the Aug 10, 2009 where I also included a link to my reference, below...Quote: Peachypear @ Ms 2cumsee... excellent points and well put lol! I googled female circumcision as I considered what I wanted to say in the post. It def has some similarities in my mind but is now called Female genital mutilation/cutting as explained @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting.Below, is the information I found at the link, upon which I based my statement, "that it def has some similarities in my mind".Clitorecdomy in its less invasive form, removal of the prepuce alone, is also called a hoodectomy. It is often an elective surgery undertaken by mature consenting adults. Some doctors and other advocators believe that the hoodectomy form of FGC can help to increase and improve sexual sensitivity and sexual pleasure in cases where the hood of the clitoris is too tight.The hood of the female equates to the foreskin of the man.Hugs allMrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
Mines uncut, I was always taught to keep it clean and pull it back, I knew some kids at school who couldn't get it all the way back, but mine rolls up and down the head without having to stretch it, and it's certainly not painful doing so. When I get hard it kind of stays to the back anyhow, I ouldn't want it the other way and as for the "it's cleaner when it's cut arguement"....try showering more, if you need to cut off parts of your body because you don't clean them then surely you're not bathing enough!.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Thank you Quoting'US2PLUS2' Quoting 'US2PLUSU2' When the term Mutilation is used It dosnt mean it isn’t beautiful it just means its been modified or changed by surgical means. The term “Genital Mutilation” or "Human Gential Mutilation" is a common term used to describe circumcision in females and males. This term is used when referring to extreme types of genital cutting such as infibulation in males or females down to the mild cutting of the foreskin or prepuce in males or females . HGM or Human Genital Mutilation is commonly abbreviated to FGM standing for Female Genital Mutilation or MGM meaning Male Genital Mutilation. Both FGM and MGM are practiced from mild to the extreme forms around the globe and are done for the same reasons , see this interesting chart ………. http://www.boystoo.com/fgm&mgm.htm It puts a different angle on things to hear guys saying they like a circumcised woman because she is, cleaner , smells better , it looks better, ect ect , all the same arguments put forward by those that support male circumcision.
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RHP User
16 years ago
As with Badkitty,i am uncut and at the age of 20 odd trained my forskin as well.It took about tw0 weeks, but it now essentially looks like a cut cock, but isnt.We also agree with 73 sexdup. We were also very opposed to circucision of our son, and from a very young age taught him ow to properly wash his "Pecker". Sexedup is right in saying there is a laziness by some parents, and this can result in unclean hygene habits, regardless of whether you have that bit of skin or not.Our tip would be, no circumcision, and spen time on education of proper hygene. As parents is this not our prime responsibility? Does not take much effort. I love my son and the only thing i need to see cut are his finger/toe nails and his hair Dr Gazpacho, once again, very informative
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RHP User
16 years ago
...and......I find its great for tenderising those grisly pieces of Casserole Steak that you get from the Butchers Shoppe, just prior to cooking them to rancid perfection in the crock-potCan be done "on-the-hop" so to speak.Saves countless hours of cooking, therefore reducing my carbon footprint, tooHave to watch it when i pass UN-leashed dogs, thoIt can be quite harrowing sometimes!?!?!~~F~~
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RHP User
16 years ago
I didn’t get to finish my last post before it was …. Whoosh gone through just like that, so anyhow here it is………. Oh Mrs P… I really do love the way you think, all of the ways you think. Love your work xoxoxox. I’m here to thank US2PLUSU2 as well… Fantastic post! For me especially… I had been contemplating exactly how to relay the reasoning behind my use of the term ‘mutilation’. Your post summed it up for me and I hope others also. It is where my original thoughts come from but at the time of my posting I just took it from my tiny trusty old dictionary. Simply and basically the word ‘mutilate’ being to deprive of a limb or other part, so if you did not have a choice and lost your foreskin, then you were deprived and it was mutilation. I most certainly did not mean to offend anyone… Mars is a hot place hehehehe… I understand and I am a loving soul. Oh yeah in reference to another topic here on OrGasms… I must be from Venus, the wet place!!! Mmmmmmm I will mention also that this is a subject close to my heart. I have a 12 year old son, uncircumcised of course who I fear may have some problems to face. On the subject of sensitivity, I grow long and strong fingernails. When one happens to break or I cut them off, it takes a day or two for my fingertips to desensitise. Now that’s fingertips…. Something to think about? Light, Love and Laughter to you All xxx
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DanaStrangelove
16 years ago
Have to say I pref cut.... don't like a bi foreskin getting in the way... it puts me off and I love to give oral. Maybe its what I'm used to, but most of my 'friends' happen to be cut, which suits me just fine!
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RHP User
16 years ago
Cheeky Ric (n Ms Ric)... What a story! Thnx for sharing. Always reassuring to hear my posts are enjoyed as well as flattering to hear lol. You do realise that RHP is full of gossips n what we say here'll be all over the place in no time lolol nostrings2009... I think it's gotta be cool to be kind to that we treasure! Thnx for being another to fill out the ranks of the uncut lol. Busso U Babe, Beautiful in and out!... Bak at ya! Thank you maaah darlink! Big kisses n 'ugs 4u. You do know that appealing to my mind and a bit of flattery will get you everywhere don'tcha US2' has posted some fantastic stuff huh. And gotta luv the dictionary! roughfukr... Well said, I'm all for education, sounds like it could be good for one, good for all hehehehe! Gaz is great ain't he! Pleazed2Teaze... hahahahaha, very pleazed to 'meat' you again u teaze. More n more o' us gropers spreading our brand of uniqueness thru the national forums lol. VB is doing a great job keeping an eye on the 'kids' on the Turkey Slapping thread. Me, I'm a bit of a 'chicken' and would 'duck' if I saw a 'turkey slap' comin'! Hairowing I hear you say? I'm goin' grey! Which reminds me of another thread that could do with some mature input, hairpulling (ouch). And that would be another for the uncut league, thnx hotchilliredhead... I guess that would be Mrs? Thnx for sharing ur pers' pref'. One of the things that has impressed me about some of the posts on this thread is that a lot of people do have a clear preference for one or the other whatever their reasons. asho777... if you are still following this thread, I was disappointed you chose not to go into your point of view either of the 2 times I asked if you had read the Shane Peterson story after your post on Aug 8th; quote: 'So this is how I can make a quick buck!?!'. It was a pleasure to hear back from Mars a cpl of times till he was satisfied re Shane Peterson's story on Aug 14th... thnx Mars! R u gonna put out a general bulletin cum the time you got ur pics posted??? :-P I'd be interested to hear if you care to share what you think of the chart on the link from US2's post. I certainly found it extremely ironic that what is so politically incorrect to practice on women is considered socially acceptable. PS: Looks to me like you were spot on about being between a CI2 or CI3 on the foreskin scale If anyone else has an opinion they'd like to add, it would be great to hear and I'll add it to the new 'Stats as I see it, correct me if I'm wrong!' that I'll post in a few days. Cheers n 'ugs allnavagoodweek...MrsP
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RedHotCoast
16 years ago
....on someones profile of a guys dick that is caked with cheese. From the pic he looks like he may be uncut. I cant out him on here but I really want to. Should I email him? If you are reading this buddy FFS clean your cock!! Its easy to do. Mr sexshine. (uncut and very clean.)
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RHP User
16 years ago
Hi Peachypear I had a great resonse to your comments ..then...in what seemed a flash...disapeared into cyberspace. Must of shited into high... Here is a shortened version I was not 100% satisfied with either Peterson story...who knows if any of it was 100% real considering money. Yes re cock bulletin. I hope you get as much pleasure from it as I. USBs chart? Bunk written by men for both sexes. I agree with most on the male side [it really is a small cosmetic operation compred to what most females go thru in this life...think of it as thing men do to please women.]and disgusted at the barbaric [remove the clit, lips and sew it up tight ffs] female side. Hope you dont think that just because I dont agree with Women Cs and then it is the same as with male Cs. I dont! It just doesnt follow. Its not, and if a women had a foreskin anything like some of ones seen on the chart ie from 5 and above, then I bet they would chop em off too. Imagine standing there with that funnel hanging over your pussy and pee hole. Be like the Alien mother laying eggs....horror....my senses are overwhelmed. I need air. A drink. helppppppppppppppppppp Mars
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RHP User
16 years ago
BIG MISTAKE>I was in Venus profile and checking out who has been checking out and messaging Venus ..yes you naughty boys!! . Cant you read? Then drifted to the Forum which is my favorite place to go in RHP and made the post in Venus/s name...I signed Mars but it came 100% from me. Not Venus who has her own ideas on foreskin subject. Mars
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RHP User
16 years ago
I ready Asho's comments and as they were so similar to mine I couldn't agree more. I then read on to find a storm emerging ---. Perhaps Asho and I are different in one respect--I am gay and have spent much of my lifetime not only being interested in my cock (cut when I was 26 -my very thick knob and the problem of the foreskin retracting being the reason) but also the cocks of other men and over time have had the pleasure of a great many cut and uncut. I understand and respect the argument for leaving intact what we were born with. The problem with foreskins is they are a very imperfect part of the anatomy. Some are short and loose and gently slide back as the cock gets hard -as they should. For those who wish to keep them 100% clean then being uncut can be fine and yes, wanking doesn't need lube--- The problem is there are so many tight foreskins or too long which don't retract and that is not good for either party. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but to be honest I think the look of these foreskins is not good. For me getting cut was one of the best decisions I have ever made and every guy I know who has done this as an adult has found the same thing. I love the look and feel of cut cocks (in Speedos they are in a class of their own) but always happy to find a guy whose foreskin works like a charm and keeps it brilliantly. Does that justify routine circumcision -well you can decide that---! And to show that I am full of contradictions much though I love cut cocks, this present rage of guys to slash and shave their pubes is oh so scary. A great set of pubes on a guy looks brilliant -why must we be metrosexual still --oh dear I think I have just started a new torrent of response -- yes as I said I know I am being contradictory
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RHP User
16 years ago
Mr sexshine, thnx very much for sharing that! I've seen the pic as you know... eeewww... on a cpls profile. Never seen that on my man! Email him? I don't think so, the lesson learned likely to be... remove the pic... not clean the prick :-PMars... you're not looking quite yourself today? You do make me laugh, just checked the forums, ur totally busted! Hmmm would luv to hear Venus' ideas on foreskin ;-) Short post... bugga! We've long had trouble that our connection, when we're wtiting messages and posts, seems to keep timing out (disappearing), so we now write them on notepad on comp before copying and pasting onto 'message template' for editing colour, emoticons etc, saving often cos time out is unpredictable, before sending message or copying and pasting if posting in the forums. Not satisfied with the mention of money, ok, not to do with the topic except money but... what if I told you my life changing story... and considered money. Would that discredit it? Anywhoo I have no doubt we could check the veracity of Shane's story, considering the facts given to support it, it must be on public record. And whether you believe Shane's story in particular or not, you can bet men have suffered problems and deserve compensation cos of a practice to remove their foreskin as babies for no real reason.I absolutely did not think that cos you disagreed with female Cs would mean you disagreed with male Cs. But would like to make sure, again, that you understand, a female C does not necessarily mean anything extreme like removing the clit or any of the other barbaric practices you described. Women, like men have the option to practice C as an adult.I have nothing against male Cs or female Cs practised as an adult. I've an outie, 1 piece toilet paper, 2 doesn't do it but I love me. Everyone has a right to their opinion... but babies don't get one... and have to live with it...HugsMrsP n MrP hehehehehe
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RHP User
16 years ago
Clearly i'm adding to what is a huge number of replies, and I must admit i havent read all of them; so I'l probably be repeating others.I'm circumcised, and personally I don't remember having it done; it would surprise me if anyone did really.Honestly I think male circumcision is a great idea; my gf tells me that circumcised dicks just "feel better"; and I can fully understand it being much nicer to not have to worry about whether a guy has or hasn't cleaned.(Guys should be cleaning anyways, but I think the situation is much worse when an uncircumcised guy hasn't been taking care down there)There is also the added benefit of reduced risk of STI's.Personally I will be having my kids circumcised, there are just too many Pro's and too few Con's :)Cheers
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RHP User
16 years ago
well it dont rlly matter if they r hard! hehe
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16 years ago
Quoting 'asho77' Excuse me.....but how do I not have a 100% understanding of the topic of circumcision when I used to be uncut but went have had an adult circumcision myself?? I think.....as a MALE with a penis that's been both un-circumcised and now is circumcised...I would have infinately more physical,personal and emotional experience than you...unless you happen to have a penis yourself?I think you are certainly more qualified to understand circumcision after being incut then having adult circumcision. I applaud you. I had infant circumcision and am so glad I did as an uncut erect penis looks hideous in my opinion, like an erect dog.I dont know if I could handle having an adult circumcision. If woman can have boob jobs, then men can have penis jobs.
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16 years ago
Usually the person being circumcised has no knowledge or choice in the matter. Recently my best mate had a baby boy and i tried to convince him not to circumcise, to no avail.Medically speaking there is no real reason to do it. Not even hygiene. So why???? In my opinion it is nothing more than a primitive and religiously sanctioned torture.Female circumcision is still carried out in some middle eastern cultures and african cultures burn the female children's breasts so they do not grow...In response to kassmebits, how would you like your clitoris cut off because someone says it needs to be in order for your personal hygiene to be good???I myself are uncut and am thankful for my parents not to follow other parents sending newborns to the doc like lambs to the slaughter...It has no effect on my personal hygiene and some women from this site think that it very sexy....Furthermore i would be only to happy to demonstrate this for you, to allay your fears of having "one" bad experience....I once went down on a girl who had the foulest smelling pussy and it physically made me sick, but that doesnt mean i just stop having oral sex with women, preference or not....
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16 years ago
I had circ done a few years back and haven't looked back. I prefer oral and penetrative sex much more without a foreskin. Sure there is a slight loss of sensation sometimes, but I'm lasting longer on average. I also reckon cut knobs look nicer...That's my 2 cents.
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16 years ago
When i was born - i had a birth defect which meant i had very little eye lids. The specialist gave me a circumcision to enable the foreskin to be used as donor skin for extending my eye lids. Ever since the surgery - i have been cockeyed. Ok Ok - i can hear the moans at that one . . . lol. I took the approach with my sons - that was the way they were born - why not leave it that way (even though dad was circumcised and had no experience with foreskins) - and if they so wanted they could make the decision as an adult. As it turned out - one had to be circumcised due to tightness of foreskin and associated issues. The poor bugger was 5 and - he was pretty sore. Having said that - if people are so opinionated about the position - of allowing the boys to make the decision when they reach manhood - why do these same people still go and get holes punched through their daughters ears at age 5 and onwards. The same opinion about cosmetic appearance applies for this. (many arguments will be raised - but it's still a hole punched through a ear lobe) And with that - the masked man was gone
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16 years ago
I agree a female like a male can have the choice as an adult but should not be cut as a baby. All Australian states and territories finally outlawed genital circumcision on female infants by 1996 including the mild form of only cutting the clitoral hood (female foreskin) , unfortunately it is still practiced on female infants in back yard operations throughout Oz and others fly overseas to get it done but you can no longer circumcise a female infant in an Australian hospital legally. Its hard to say whats worse in regard female cutting vs male cutting as even the removal of the female foreskin (clitoral hood) leaves the clitoris to the same drying out and desensitizing that the male glands are exposed to. Its interesting to note that if the clitoris is removed that the females looses 8000 fine touch receptors ( Meissners corpuscles) that sounds like a lot but if the male foreskin is removed he loses up to 20,000 fine touch receptors . Also the male loses his frenulum which is a male G-spot for many intact men
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16 years ago
cornopean... thank you! I got a huge amount of pleasure from reading your post and you got a huge amount of respect from me. I have no probs with asho's comments in his first post (aside from his attitude) nor did I ever question his understanding of the topic of circumcision. But in his second post he had a dig at a quote made by US2PLUSU2 (misunderstood by me to be aimed at US2, it's in the thread) which is the storm you found emerging. NOTHING to do with his understanding of the topic of circumcision which as I said, I never questioned!I have NOTHING against male Cs or female Cs practised as an adult. My question has to do with babies only. Do we have the right to make a decision that is not necessary at that time?I do understand that there a looot of men that have posted that they were C'd as adults. I also understand that it was much more traumatic for some but ALL those men who have commented are happy with the end product!And far be it for me to comment on a person's personal preference. Each to their own. Different strokes for different folks... thank you for sharing yours lolol... sprat08... less replies than it might seem if you count mine lol. Thanks for yours. I think if you read the first post by gazpacho, you'll find the things you think you need to worry about are not necessarily so. I think there needs to be a lot more education re pros and cons at least.Jedinights... the quote by asho77 in your post had NOTHING to do with me or anyone else questioning asho77 as to his understanding of the topic of circumcision which is clear if you read the thread!!! It was part of a comedy of errors which included misunderstandings by several people throughout the thread and really is quite funny. I publicly apologised for my misunderstanding to asho and US2!Quoting Jedinights: I dont know if I could handle having an adult circumcision. If woman can have boob jobs, then men can have penis jobs.This thread is NOT about adult Cs (or boob jobs). But I respect every person's right to make decisions re their body... including adults!This thread is about whether or not you agree with circumcising babies. Throughout the thread we have learned that a baby C is not the simple thing it is made out to be. There can be a variety of side effects, I just wanted to know... Is it worth the risk??? I haven't heard anything on this thread that changed my mind.My opinionMrsP
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16 years ago
Mrwolf... ouch! Visions of Little Red Riding Hood come to mind here. Offering to let kassmebits kiss your bits? Hehehe. Thnx for your opinion! ilikejam2... thnx for posting. I really have been surprised at the amount of men that have posted that they were cut as adults and are happier now. Confirmation for me so far that there is no permanent harm in waiting and seeing Mr twicespice... we're moaning cos Mr sexshinecoast already made that joke lolol Quoting Mr twicespice: Having said that - if people are so opinionated about the position - of allowing the boys to make the decision when they reach manhood - why do these same people still go and get holes punched through their daughters ears at age 5 and onwards.Not sure who you mean when you say opinionated people. But I can tell you as someone with the opinion you've described above... that I didn't allow my daughter to pierce her ears till she was old enough to make her own decision AND to care for the piercings herself. I feel for your son... my son had 2 separate ops on his testes at 12 and 18 mths. Try explaining to a young fella that doesn't understand why he's going thru all that pain. Hope I have it right if I post in the stats that you would NOT cut Mr US2PLUSU2... thank you again! For clearing up my uncertainty about where you stood on Baby Cs tho it really was pretty clear I guess lol. Also for the other details in your post including your mention that the frenulum is a male G-spot which sounds very much like one of the things I read that prob would have made sense to include in my first post HugsMrsP
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16 years ago
I was'nt cut til my late teens , would'nt have it any other way ..All my sons will be CUT..
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16 years ago
Quoting rooboytwo... I was'nt cut til my late teens , would'nt have it any other way ..All my sons will be CUT..A) RE: wouldn't have it any other way... will you be giving your sons the option of being cut as teenagers then B) You know that saying 'what works for some doesn't always work for others'. What does one say to their son if he's one it doesn't work for? We can't say we weren't educated...
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16 years ago
'Cut or Uncut' is NOT the question!!! The question is...How do others feel about performing circumcision on babies where there is no real medical reason for it knowing that there are medical reasons against itLinks were provided by me (MrsP) in the original post for people to base an opinion on. Other RHPers have provided links throughout the thread to support the point made. I wonder how many of those posting that they 'would definitely cut' have taken the time to look at any of them AND read the facts there with an open mind I have a lot of respect and/or sympathy for the men that have posted that they were circumcised as adults. Specially those that seem to have been affected emotionally! The common point made in ALL those posts though is that the men are happy with their end result (no pun intended lol). Don't others find it reassuring to hear that waiting and seeing had no negative in that area at least?You know that saying 'what works for some doesn't always work for others'. What does one say to their son if he's one it doesn't work for? Can't say we weren't educated... Peachypear...
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16 years ago
Peachy. As you know I was cut as a baby. If I had to take the choice of then or now it would be THEN. Much less painful. Over 99.2 to 99.7 Cs are done perfectly well. A few with problems but I bet far less than the ones with foreskins that have to go thru the operation later in life. OOOOuuuucccchhh! Then there are the ones who battle on with a foreskin with all that extra bathing and possible problems. I think there are more health problems and issues with guys who have them than not. I have never had an infection and just wash it like any other part of my body. Its just perfect. Smile and say cheeze. Mars
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16 years ago
Smile and say cheeze The problem... is that for me the issue has to do with quality not quantity!I googled 'adult circumcision damage' and came across a few sites. None that suggested C was worse for adults than babies... definitely the other way around actually.http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/worse.htm http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/garcia/http://www.noharmm.org/factfinder.htmRespectfullyMrsP
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16 years ago
Peachy Suggest you do a google 'adult circumcision successes' Lots of posts as usual. The debate rages and there is no real answer. Here are a couple of interesting bits. I suggest you do some more research on successes. From a male point of view its much easier with a C than not. And safer in many ways. Its a very touchy subject. And depending on ones view an arguement can be made either way. If a male is cut and has a problem thats a good arguement against. Note its very rare to have a problem getting cut and esop so when very young. If a male is uncut and gets sick then thats an arguement to have a C. Note its quite common to have problems being uncut. Circumcision of males represents a surgical ‘‘vaccine‘‘ against a wide variety of infections, adverse medical conditions and potentially fatal diseases over their lifetime, and also protects their sexual partners. In experienced hands, this common, inexpensive procedure is very safe, can be pain-free and can be performed at any age. The benefits vastly outweigh risks. The enormous public health benefits include protection from urinary tract infections, sexually transmitted HIV, HPV, syphilis and chancroid, penile and prostate cancer, phimosis, thrush, and inflammatory dermatoses There are some valid medical reasons to circumcise. Studies have shown that circumcision can reduce the risk of contracting the HIV virus by 60 percent [source: Timbert]. The studies that uncovered this finding were conducted in Africa, and the World Health Organization (WHO) is attempting to increase circumcision rates throughout the continent in a bid to contain an out-of-control AIDS epidemic. But if it's so effective, why aren't we holding pro-circumcision campaigns in the United States? Opponents of circumcision rightly point out that basic safe-sex practices will also drastically lower the odds of contracting HIV. However, parts of Africa have HIV infection rates as high as 30 percent, and although public health officials don't view circumcision as a magic bullet, it is seen as part of a larger strategy to combat the spread of the disease. Circumcision has also been shown to lower the risk of contracting other sexually transmitted diseases, such as HPV and chlamydia. On the other hand, the argument that circumcisions reduce the risk of penile cancer doesn't hold much weight when you consider how rare penile cancer is -- in 2008, there were only 1,250 new cases of penile cancer in the United States [source: National Cancer Institute]. In 2005, there were 1.2 million circumcisions performed on infants in America [source: Merrill]. The fact that it's easier to keep a circumcised penis clean is neutralized simply by good hygienic practice. However, a circumcised male doesn't even have to consider the issue, while an uncircumcised male must take good care of his foreskin to prevent it from becoming a hotbed of bacteria. Mars
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16 years ago
History of male circumcision From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This is a huge post. I suggest read it as its a warts and all on the subject. I even learnt something new! Cs were done on both male and female to stop masturbation at one time. ....wow. Funny how some things are ok at one time then banned at another. A new post? I could say more but wont lol...except''''not that there is anything wrong with that. I bow to the wisdom of Wikipedia. Mars
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16 years ago
Yes, let's cut off bits of baby penis, as a peventative measure,.. You know just in case, and those poor little buggars can piss and crap all over their wounds. They're not lodging any complaints so it obviously doesn't hurt them. Welcome to the world little man. Here's some pain to go with that introduction. Jeese. Why don't we remove their toenails too. It will save on the need to clip them... And prevent any ingrowns later in life. Shit.
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16 years ago
I think the following on Wikipedia is what you mean...Circumcision in the 21st century [Parts of this article (those related to HIV) may no longer be up to date.]* I (MrsP) did not include the paragraph that refers to HIV cos it may no longer be up to date... The major medical societies in the USA, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand do not recommend routine non-therapeutic infant circumcision. Major medical organizations in the United States and Canada now say that parents should decide what is in their child's best interests, declining to make a recommendation one way or another. The AAP advises that "Physicians counseling families concerning this decision should assist the parents by explaining the potential benefits and risks and by ensuring that they understand that circumcision is an elective procedure."The AMA remarked that, in one study, physicians in "nearly half" of neonatal circumcisions "did not discuss the potential medical risks and benefits of elective circumcision prior to delivery of the infant son. Deferral of discussion until after birth, combined with the fact that many parents' decisions about circumcision are preconceived, contribute to the high rate of elective circumcision."If I'm right would that make your stats... * NOT - BABY + Mr Mars_n_Venus I have no idea what it was you woulda said in your quotes '''' but I'm happy to leave it at that lol.Really!MrsP
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16 years ago
Love a cut cock. it's just visual for me. I like the way it looks. So perfect and exposed. But then again I am a big believer in a bit of maintanence. At the end of the day though, the sexiest part of any person for me is their mind. So once you let me in there I really don't care if it is cut or not. Miss K
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16 years ago
They sell them for upwards of $100,000.... and you could be wearing one on your face right now and you don't even realise it!! The beauty industry has a lot to answer for in this world as there have been many sacrifises to produce beauty products. Some of those beauty products contain real human contents. That's right. Collagen for instance. One vital ingredient in numerous aging and facial products is baby foreskin. You might think that they discard them... but they can sell 'em.... and they are used to culture ingredients to soften the skins of wrinkley faced women. Don't believe me? Google " foreskin beauty products". And you thought it was all about doing good huh!
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16 years ago
I've learned something new.Thnx Gaz!The mention of Oprah Winfrey in the following article, in particular her refusal to comment, on her show or in the article, on the use of foreskin fibroblasts in the skin cream she promotes is ironic to say the least! http://www.alternet.org/environment/47421
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16 years ago
misskittylips... thnx for posting. But while I have included the many comments about personal preference on this thread in my stats on page 1 as a point of interest...That is not the real question... the question is...How do others feel about performing circumcision on babies where there is no real medical reason for it knowing that there are medical reasons against itMrsP
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16 years ago
this has been quite a fascinating thread with many different and strong opinions i can certainy understand how some guys can feel jibbed having the choice of cut or not cut taken away from them and if you havent been cut and are comfortable with who and how you are more power to you i wasnt so i did something about it which was my choice admittedly. i am the father of three boys 13 11 and 7 two of them are mine as my then partner was pregnent with another mans child when we met, we were together for thirteen years so i think of him and treat no differently than if he was my own flesh and blood at the time of all there births we lived in a remote Northwest town so had we chosen to have them cut we had to travel to Perth to have it done had the facilities been on hand at the time i dare say they would have been cut as babies but they weren't and to be honest the issue wasn't that important to us so nothing was done. over time all of my boys have had issues with there penis two of them have since had to be circumcised around the age of four which as you could understand was horribly traumatic for them this was not a desicion that was taken lightly both of them had foreskines that were so tight no amount of streching or encoraging them to play with it in the bath would help which resulted in both of them constantly getting urinry tract infections and beeing on and off antibiotics constantly one even had to be hospitalised my eldest boy who still has his foreskin complains about his also being quite tight and painful though he has had no real medical issues regarding it and knows and is capable of pulling it back far enough to clean it as it should be cleaned im fairly sure later in life this will be a sorce of angst for him perhaps as he plays and experiments with it more as teenagers do lol it may rectify its self . all in all i guess what im saying is had i had a cristal ball and knew the dramas not having them circumsised would cause them i would have felt no guilt what so ever in having the procedure done and if i was to have another child (male obviosly)he would be cut as a baby as im sure this is less traumatic than what my poor boys had to go through in no way shape and form am i saying one should be the norm i do belive it is a personal choice that needs to be made by the parents with the opinion of the father (who has a penis)weighing heavily on the final decision well thats my two cents for what its worth and what has lead to two of my boys being circumsised and one not altho possibly not for the whole of his life ill say it again these are my opinions and my experiances im not and would never push my opinion on any parent however i would ask that they listen to my experiances and make there own choice. cheer's mozz77
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16 years ago
Not only do we [guys] cut off our foreskins so we smell and taste better, we stand erect and neat for you with no saggy, droopy bits, we give our foreskins to you ladies so you may look better via foreskin enchanced skin cream. You look better, and we can use our [modern enhanced] cut cock to pleasure you for longer because we are de-sensitive to last longer, for your pleasure. Peachypear. If I'm right would that make your stats... * NOT - BABY + Mr Mars_n_Venus Not sure about you codes...or what it means....I would cut a baby now. I wonder how many uncut guys get cut later in life due to health problems? What %? Mars
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16 years ago
While you have had both mate, I don't think you have had a normal experience of an uncut penis. If you have a normal foreskin it isn't hard to keep clean, even as an Infantry soldier, not showering for weeks at a time, I could keep my penis clean and non cheesy. It's the best bit of kit I was ever issued with I reckon and if you do have kids, you should have a good hard think about lopping it off. Quoting Asho77 Excuse me.....but how do I not have a 100% understanding of the topic of circumcision when I used to be uncut but went have had an adult circumcision myself?? I think.....as a MALE with a penis that's been both un-circumcised and now is circumcised...I would have infinately more physical,personal and emotional experience than you...unless you happen to have a penis yourself?
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16 years ago
My hubby is cut, and the Dr made a bad cut so now he has a piece of skin that sticks out ... he calls it his clit as it is more sensitive than the rest of his penis ... I like it as I know it turns him on more. I do have a regular FB who is uncut and wondered if I have a preference. I don't care as long is it is clean and very suckable ;)
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16 years ago
Mr mozzz_n_sugaz... thank you for sharing your opinion and personal experiences! I'm not sure you're not having me on with your statement near the end though... i do belive it is a personal choice that needs to be made by the parents with the opinion of the father (who has a penis)weighing heavily on the final decision I don't see how having a penis is going to improve a man's ability to make decisions. If anything, judging by the responses on this thread, I would think a man's negative experiences are more likely to influence him to make a decision based on emotion. Agree with you that it is a personal choice but I don't agree that it is ours to make unless there is a medical need... Did you know that boys are born with their foreskin attached to the head of the penis. and that the foreskin must first be separated from the head before cutting, all without any anesthesia. While nature is indeed imperfect (or perhaps that is man's influence on nature) man is more imperfect still as BustyWILF's post points out. Thankfully Mr BustyWILF's 'bad cut' worked out for him, but there are other much more extreme examples like Shane Peterson's and worse including some that needed sex changes and death. I don't care how small the odds are! Quote Mars... "And still you are not satisfied etc..." puhleeeaase! Not to this ladies taste. Thanks for clearing up that you would cut a baby now. I have no idea what you meant by your reference to Wikipedia but I think I should point out that it is a history about circumcision and there is only a small section that I copied and pasted above that refers to the century we are living in. fifoboy... normal... good point. Mrs BustyWILF... Thnx for ur story... intriguing. MrsP
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16 years ago
Fifoboy. According to the charts there is a huge range of length of foreskins. Have a look at a CI10. Even with an erections the foreskin still hangs over. What is your C range? Mine is Ci2-3. So you didnt get cheezy in the military. Exactly what 'kit' did they issue you with? Mars uncut>cut While you have had both mate, I don't think you have had a normal experience of an uncut penis. If you have a normal foreskin it isn't hard to keep clean, even as an Infantry soldier, not showering for weeks at a time, I could keep my penis clean and non cheesy. It's the best bit of kit I was ever issued with I reckon and if you do have kids, you should have a good hard think about lopping it off. Quoting Asho77 Excuse me.....but how do I not have a 100% understanding of the topic of circumcision when I used to be uncut but went have had an adult circumcision myself?? I think.....as a MALE with a penis that's been both un-circumcised and now is circumcised...I would have infinately more physical,personal and emotional experience than you...unless you happen to have a penis yourself?
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16 years ago
Quoting 'Mars_n_Venus' Cs were done on both male and female to stop masturbation at one time. ....wow. Yes and later to also treat alcoholism, epilepsy, asthma, enuresis, kidney disease, gout, prolapse of the rectum, hernia, cancer, syphilis and other illness such as back curvature , in males and females. Of course we now know there are no medical advantages of circumcision whatsoever.(see below) The most recent and authoritative statement was issued by the Royal Australasian College of Physicians in 2002 and 2004. The document states: The Division of Paediatrics and Child Health, Royal Australasian College of Physicians (RACP) has prepared this statement on routine circumcision of infants and boys assist parents who are considering having this procedure undertaken on their male children and for doctors who are asked to advise on or undertake it. After extensive review of the literature the RACP reaffirms that there is no medical indication for routine male circumcisionIn reaffirming earlier statements against routine circumcision dating back to 1971, the RACP has issued strong advice to parents that circumcision of their baby boys is neither necessary nor desirable. It has also sent an unmistakeable message to doctors that they should warn parents against the operation. The statement is one of the most authoritative policies on circumcision ever issued by a medical organisation. It has been endorsed by six Australian and New Zealand medical bodies. After a thorough review of the medical literature, including recent claims about the supposed protective effect of circumcision against STDs, AIDS, penile cancer, urinary tract infections and cervical cancer in female partners, the working party concluded that there was "no medical indication for routine male circumcision" and that there was "no evidence of benefit outweighing harm for circumcision as a routine procedure"..
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16 years ago
I'm not sure you should be able to sue a Dr for doing what everyone was doing at the time. One thing I can say though, is in these enlightened times we don't remove them any more, thank god. I didn't know it as a Frenulum and I'm pretty sure hubby doesn't either. I just knew it as his the favorite bit on his whole body and I have always thought of it as a little clit:))) Hacking bady parts off new born children is cruel and is not medically justifiable in the case of the foreskin. There may have been a battle to get it done 15-20 years ago, well no Dr willl do it now. Poor blokes who have had it removed:((Dxx
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16 years ago
Jonnyd612 Dont feel sorry for me being cut. You will find the vast majority of cut guys are proud that they are. Yes you will find a few whingers like you always do. Some even sue their doctors. Not me! My totally maintenece and disease free cut cock works just fine. I would not have it any other way even if I could magically get it back. Esp if it was a C19 or CI10. How horrible! While it may seem barbaric now and even enlightened, it was done for many reasons over the centuries. Some wrong, some stupid but also some for good reasons. Even if no babies are cut there will always be some cut guys. Reason is medical of course. Some do it becasue of the look and some the smell. Foreskins do cause problems in some men. And they have to be removed. I feel sorry for guys who have to have an adult C and go through a nightmare when it could have been done as a baby with no recollection of the event. Doctors still cut of course. There are many clinics that do it in AU. Its the fashion now not to cut. Tomorrow/in a few decades it may come back when we see more and more guys have to go through adult Cs. Just like Pokie machines....good idea, entertainment, fun, raise taxes...then they find out they destroy peoples lives so they ban them then some years later when the lesson is forgotten some smart arse bright spark thinks..Pokies...all the pain and lessons forgotten..then the fabric of society is raped by the machines and banned yet again. So the cycle repeats itself. Pokies have been brought in and banned at least 3 times in the USA and will be banned again...here in AU the sooner the better I recon. Same goes with foreskins. While there are many medical reasons for the cut think of it as cosmetic surgery as well and many of the things against it vanish. What women go though for us guys is unbelievable. The wearing of high heels so you look better for us. Torture is what I call that as I saw my own daughter come out of a nightclub one time and as soon as she got into the car off with the shoes and a huge sigh of relief. No sign of that as she strutted/walked from the club to my car of course...chin up and bear it. Worry and the blisters the next day and damage to the spine later girls. You Botox, have liposuction, enhance breasts, plaster makeup etc. Have kids ffs. Get major cut down there at times without a winper. Pussy lip reductions which are plain barbaric. Most, if not all cosmetic. And why not if it makes you or someone feel better? And you worry about male Cs. Its such a small thing really. Mars
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16 years ago
Mars... I believe kit = foreskin US2'... I am impressed! Thank you very much for that! Couldn't ask for a clearer confirmation of my reasoning... with class hehehe Ms johnnyd612... thnx very much for your point of view. Re "I'm not sure you should be able to sue a Dr for doing what everyone was doing at the time."... The case of Shane Peterson we were talking about on this thread did not work out like most others at the time because his C was not performed properly, a fact to which the Doctor, that performed the 'routine procedure', admitted liability. To think! This is primarily a site about sex (in whatever way we appreciate that) and how many men, or women for that matter, could imagine a life where we were not able to appreciate sex as one of our primary fuctions in life!Lol, little clit... nice! That's how I've always thought of it too knowing it is the most sensitive part on man's penis ;-) Re poor blokes... doubt most would even realise they were 'missing out'. But something I read about on circumcision that I wondered about was the effect on the emotional health of the babe. Then I also considered that some say that birth itself is traumatic for the babe... before we go and chop the end off the most important part of his anatomy without anesthesia *shudder*. Mars... I wonder if you're totally having me on.Quote: "You will find the vast majority of cut guys are proud that they are. Yes you will find a few whingers like you always do. Some even sue their doctors."Whingers?... The Doctor in at least the case of Shane Peterson mentioned on this thread admitted liability and the case is a matter of Public Record... as you know! Quote: "I feel sorry for guys who have to have an adult C and go through a nightmare when it could have been done as a baby with no recollection of the event."Nightmare?... try having your whatsit chopped off to the point that you're stuck with never ending pain or worse... it no longer exists, mistakes must be easy, the things not even an inch long at birth...Quote: "Its the fashion now not to cut. Tomorrow/in a few decades it may come back when we see more and more guys have to go through adult Cs."Fashion?... These ARE MEN we're talking about! Quote: "What women go though for us guys is unbelievable. The wearing of high heels so you look better for us. Torture is what I call that as I saw my own daughter come out of a nightclub one time and as soon as she got into the car off with the shoes and a huge sigh of relief. No sign of that as she strutted/walked from the club to my car of course...chin up and bear it. Worry and the blisters the next day and damage to the spine later girls. You Botox, have liposuction, enhance breasts, plaster makeup etc. Have kids ffs. Get major cut down there at times without a winper. Pussy lip reductions which are plain barbaric. Most, if not all cosmetic. And why not if it makes you or someone feel better?"Unbelievable?... Our Choice!!! I don't do Botox, have liposuction, enhance my breasts, wear make-up/face cream OR high heels! I'd like to think it would be my choice to have a pussy lip reduction if that was what I wanted, no more barbaric than male C as an adult. I never considered having a baby as cosmetic tho, had a tendency to drive men away rather than attract them. It makes me feel better knowing "I am me and I am OK" Quote: And you worry about male Cs. Its such a small thing really.Worry?... Yeah I do! YOU can bet it's not a small thing for that small %, of the large % C'd as babies, that have to live with the Fuk Ups MrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
Mars... I believe kit = foreskin US2'... I am impressed! Thank you very much for that! Couldn't ask for a clearer confirmation of my reasoning... with class hehehe Ms johnnyd612... thnx very much for your point of view. Re "I'm not sure you should be able to sue a Dr for doing what everyone was doing at the time."... The case of Shane Peterson we were talking about on this thread did not work out like most others at the time because his C was not performed properly, a fact to which the Doctor, that performed the 'routine procedure', admitted liability. To think! This is primarily a site about sex (in whatever way we appreciate that) and how many men, or women for that matter, could imagine a life where we were not able to appreciate sex as one of our primary fuctions in life!Lol, little clit... nice! That's how I've always thought of it too knowing it is the most sensitive part on man's penis ;-) Re poor blokes... doubt most would even realise they were 'missing out'. But something I read about on circumcision that I wondered about was the effect on the emotional health of the babe. Then I also considered that some say that birth itself is traumatic for the babe... before we go and chop the end off the most important part of his anatomy without anesthesia *shudder*. Mars... I wonder if you're totally having me on.Quote: "You will find the vast majority of cut guys are proud that they are. Yes you will find a few whingers like you always do. Some even sue their doctors."Whingers?... The Doctor in at least the case of Shane Peterson mentioned on this thread admitted liability and the case is a matter of Public Record... as you know! Quote: "I feel sorry for guys who have to have an adult C and go through a nightmare when it could have been done as a baby with no recollection of the event."Nightmare?... try having your whatsit chopped off to the point that you're stuck with never ending pain or worse... it no longer exists, mistakes must be easy, the things not even an inch long at birth...Quote: "Its the fashion now not to cut. Tomorrow/in a few decades it may come back when we see more and more guys have to go through adult Cs."Fashion?... These ARE MEN we're talking about! Quote: "What women go though for us guys is unbelievable. The wearing of high heels so you look better for us. Torture is what I call that as I saw my own daughter come out of a nightclub one time and as soon as she got into the car off with the shoes and a huge sigh of relief. No sign of that as she strutted/walked from the club to my car of course...chin up and bear it. Worry and the blisters the next day and damage to the spine later girls. You Botox, have liposuction, enhance breasts, plaster makeup etc. Have kids ffs. Get major cut down there at times without a winper. Pussy lip reductions which are plain barbaric. Most, if not all cosmetic. And why not if it makes you or someone feel better?"Unbelievable?... Our Choice!!! I don't do Botox, have liposuction, enhance my breasts, wear make-up/face cream OR high heels! I'd like to think it would be my choice to have a pussy lip reduction if that was what I wanted, no more barbaric than male C as an adult. I never considered having a baby as cosmetic tho, had a tendency to drive men away rather than attract them. It makes me feel better knowing "I am me and I am OK" Quote: And you worry about male Cs. Its such a small thing really.Worry?... Yeah I do! YOU can bet it's not a small thing for that small %, of the large % C'd as babies, that have to live with the Fuk Ups MrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
I've been looking for my foreskin for nearly 30 years...i feel lost without it...a part of me is out there in this world somewhere...it's probably sitting in a jar full of preservative in some hospital basement...if anyone comes across it please return it to me asap! All of my friends have their foreskins...I want my foreskin back :(
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RHP User
16 years ago
as i said these are my opinions peachy no offence to you but i am not stating them to get approval from anyone just as i said stating what i believe.i am still a bit miffed how some one who doesn't have a penis can be so sure there making an informed decision don't get me wrong chook the mother should certainly get a 40% vote ,i am sure we would start a whole new thread if fellas started telling ladies what to do with there vagina's.
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