M59 F62
FORE SKIN or not... :-S
August 06 2009
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RHP User
16 years ago
Yep, I can see where I recognised your point and posted in response, "thank you for sharing your personal opinion and personal experiences"! However, in the post you're talking about you also said...Quote: i do belive it is a personal choice that needs to be made by the parents with the opinion of the father (who has a penis)weighing heavily on the final decisionAnd Quote: "ill say it again these are my opinions and my experiances im not and would never push my opinion on any parent however i would ask that they listen to my experiances and make there own choice."It was your invite to parents (guardians is the term I would use for at least a cpl of different reasons) to base their decision on your experiences that inspired my response. Quote: "I don't see how having a penis is going to improve a man's ability to make decisions. If anything, judging by the responses on this thread, I would think a man's negative experiences are more likely to influence him to make a decision based on emotion."Quote: "i am still a bit miffed how some one who doesn't have a penis can be so sure there making an informed decision"I can make an informed decision without having a penis because I have a brain. I've spent a long time learning to use it rather than just reacting to emotional experiences.Quote: "i am sure we would start a whole new thread if fellas started telling ladies what to do with there vagina's."I'm not telling 'gentlemen' what to do with their penis!I have nothing against ladies and gentlemen doing whatever they like with THEIR body. See the thing is, I'm not thinking about myself... the topic has to do with babies who are stuck with the choices we make for them! I have made sure to recognise the points made by people on this thread and have gone to the effort to think about and/or look into what they have said AND respond to THAT! What do any of you think of the idea that some men are left with permanent pain and/or without the ability to have any 'normal' sort of sex life because of 'routine Cs' performed without their permission? I don't see where anyone gets off questioning their right to sue! How do you think you might feel about it if it was you?MrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
A lot of guys have had a botched circumsision but don't know it. Some guys think that having their ball sack pulled half way up their shaft when they get an erection is normal... lol. Poor bastards. Some guys think a skin bridge is normal and even have bling hanging off them.. they've no idea that it was caused by a badly perforemd and cared for circumcision. Here's a link to a site with complete fuck ups. http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Botched1sb.html Frankly, if it aint broke, why fix it... there's no way would I ever put my sons at this risk for no reason. Gaz
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RHP User
16 years ago
Dan Savage says.... I am 24 years old and lost my entire glans penis, the head of my dick, in a botched circumcision. Basically I have a shaft but there's no head at the end. Unfortunately, I was left with my balls so I still have a sex drive, but it's nearly impossible for me to climax. When I was much younger, around 14 to 16, I could sometimes masturbate to a climax, but after a couple of years I stopped being able to do this. Some of the women I've been with never saw the condition of my penis, and failed to notice when I didn't come. Others have seen my condition before intercourse and refused to have sex with me, while still others found out afterward, after I wasn't able to come, and then never wanted to have sex with me again. Of course I never dare to ask anyone to suck me, although this might provide the necessary extra stimulation and actually help me climax. So my problem is twofold: I can't come and I can't get anyone to stick around and help me try to come. Can you suggest any special techniques for someone in my condition? Any help would be appreciated. I'm very miserable, frustrated, and lonely. —MUTILATED AND COMELESS
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RHP User
16 years ago
A power surge in the electocautery needle (used to seal blood vessels by heat) burnt off Bruce's penis, and it was decided to reassign his genitals surgically and raise him as a girl, Brenda. There is a strong suspicion that his being an identical twin was a factor in the decision, and the case was widely used by Dr John Money for the next 15 years to demonstrate that gender is completely malleable, under purely social control. Brenda was subjected to castration at the age of 22 months, but she was a troubled tomboy throughout her childhood. From the age of eight onward, she steadfastly refused further surgery, and at puberty she resisted taking hormones. Her sexual desires, closely monitored by Dr Money, were towards females, and her parents were made to face the possibility that their daughter was a lesbian. At 14 she refused to live as a girl any longer and was told the truth about his gender. At 16 he had a penis reconstructed, but the outcome was unsatisfactory and teasing by his peers led to two suicide attempts. At 21 he had another reconstruction with a better outcome. He met a woman with three children, abandoned by their three biological fathers, who was somewhat disillusioned with men's pride in their penile prowess. For some years he was a happily married adoptive father, but he said: "It was like brainwashing. I'd give just about anything to go to a hypnotist to black out my whole past. Because it's torture. What they did to you in the body is sometimes not near as bad as what they did to you in the mind - with the the psychological warfare in your head."
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RHP User
16 years ago
Reading from the left... The 1st part under CUT for both men and women are the answers for my original post... 'YES, I would circumcise' or 'no I would NOT circumcise' a boy as a baby... The 2nd part for the men 'DUN OK' tells us... if they were cut as a BABY or an ADULT or NOT lol... and the + or - symbols tells if they were happy about it+ or not-... the 2 men cut as adults were unhappy- that they had to but happy+ with the results. MEN + CUT - DUN OK Profile Name * NOT - ???? ? Mr US2PLUSU2* NOT - NOT + Mr Peachypear* NOT - NOT + Mr 73sexedup* NOT - NOT + nostrings2009* NOT - NOT + Mr roughfukr1* NOT - NOT + Mr sexshinecoast* NOT - NOT + Mrwolf* NOT - NOT + fifoboy * ???? - NOT - Mr BadKitty007* ???? - NOT + Pleazed2Teaze * NOT - BABY + Gazpacho * NOT - BABY + DonnyMac* NOT - BABY + Mr twicespice * YES - BABY + Mr Mars_n_Venus* YES - BABY + sprat08* YES - BABY + Jedinights * ???? - BABY + Mr ric939 * ???? - BABY + Universalnomad * ???? - BABY + lovenlust* ???? - BABY + eunuch * ???? - BABY - Mr wewantit247* ???? - ADULT-+ ilikejam2* ---- - ADULT-+ cornopean * YES - ADULT-+ asho77* YES - ADULT-+ rooboytwo* YES - ADULT-+ Mr mozzz_n_sugaz* ???? - ????? ? PerthBOi1 The 2nd part for the women 'PREF?' is for if we... DEF:O prefer our men uncircumcised or NOT:P WOMEN + CUT - PREF? - Profile Name * NOT - DEF:O - Ms Peachypear* NOT - ?????? - Busso_Babe * NOT - ?????? - playfulminx * NOT - ?????? - Ms 2cumsee* NOT - ?????? - Ms 73sexedup* NOT - ?????? - Ms roughfukr1* NOT - ?????? - Ms johnnyd612 * YES - NOT:P - Elljae * ???? - NOT:P - kassmebits* ???? - NOT:P - Mrs hotchilliredhead * ???? - DEF:O - mrsfordy * ???? - ?????? - MissBJ* ???? - ?????? - Venus_* ???? - ?????? - HotAzIce* ???? - ?????? - misskittylips* ???? - ?????? - BustyWILF ??? Question marks of course are for those I wasn't sure about or those that didn't say.Mrs Peachypear
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RHP User
16 years ago
Thank you so much for looking for, finding and posting first the link and then both of the above stories (I imagine you found there) about the men who suffered extremes of exactly the sort I mentioned, it's horrifying to even to begin to try to imagine the hell these men live with on a daily basis and I really feel for them! Life for the men you posted about would surely compare with that of the women who have been forced to suffer the trauma of the 'barbaric' practice of Female Mutilation... as it has been described throughout the thread!Big hugs Deb
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RHP User
16 years ago
I had to have my foreskin removed when I was 32 (scar tissue causing problems when erect) so have experience before and after and I much prefer being circumcised. But that might be due to the fact that the poor little bugger has had a helmet his whole life then it gets cut off lol
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tamworthguy46
16 years ago
I myself am cut and don't have any problems and like the look of cut cocks. Aparently you can train your cock from an ealy age, and keep pulling the foreskin back and it will pretty much stay there ! It is also widely known that geting cut reduces male stimulation.......My 18 yo uncut son had a bit of a complex about it for a while, and was going to get cut....but now he is not geting cut,and says id does not worry any of the girls he has been with.....so now im happy that i let him make his own decision !
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RHP User
16 years ago
Mrs P, Interesting thread and a passionate topic from both cut and intact lovers. We would never circumcise any future sons, and im quite happy with (Mr.) being uncut, but i wasnt always entirely sure. I was born in the 70's when i think around 90% of boys in australia were cut at birth, i was never teased in the locker rooms nor did i have problems with tight foreskin or any other issue. Because it was so uncommon for guys to be circumcised i think women at the time thought it was somewhat abnormal to have a foreskin, because cut was all they ever saw. Comments from women like this can be hurtful to a young impressionable mind, such things like "real men are circumcised" etc... so there was a time when i was considering having a quick snip.... until i did some research and found out what you did regarding the frenulum and other sensitive parts. Once i found out how much skin is actually removed and read a few stories on botched operations and other issues as a result of being circumcised, i was quite content to remain as nature intended. And none of my partners have ever complained, ive received nothing but compliments on looks size and taste, even from the devoted CUT fans. We like all cocks here in the cunninglinguists house, but there may be a sneaking preferance to intact.
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RHP User
16 years ago
How do others feel about performing circumcision on babies where there is no real medical reason for it knowing that there are medical reasons against itI went through and gathered the many links posted throughout the thread for RHPie'rs that would like to look into the topic any further before posting. There is a lot of information available.http://www.addicks3.fsnet.co.uk/nat/stiff/lostskin/lostskin.htm which has a diagram and pics showing 'the Workings of the Foreskin'.http://www.newforeskin.biz/CI/CIchart.htm has pics demonstrating the 'Foreskin Coverage Index'. With the Coverage Index you can quantify how much foreskin you have no matter whether you're circumcised or natural. http://indra.com/~shredder/intact/anatomy/ a site about 'The Intact Penis What it is and how it works'.www.noharmm.org/IDcirc.htm has pics and info about 'How to Identify Circumcision Damage in the Adult Male'.http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/garcia/ has a write up about 'What exactly is circumcision and what is it not?'. A must read.Gaz' mention of 'intactivists' inspired me to google and find - http://www.circumstitions.com/Ms 2cumsee's mention of female circumcision goog'led me to - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cuttingBecause of Mars' suggestion that adult Cs are worse for men than babies - I googled 'adult circumcision damage' and came across a few sites. None that suggested C was worse for adults than babies... definitely the other way around actually.http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/worse.htmhttp://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/garcia/http://www.noharmm.org/factfinder.htmUS2PLUSU2 posted a few links and a statement on the first page of this thread on the 23 Aug. It begins, "The most recent and authoritative statement was issued by the Royal Australasian College of Physicians in 2002 and 2004. The document states:" etchttp://www.norm-uk.org/circumcision_lost.html http://www.norm.org/http://www.circinfo.org/account.htmlBoth FGM and MGM are practiced from mild to the extreme forms around the globe and are done for the same reasons , see this interesting chart ………. http://www.boystoo.com/fgm&mgm.htmMars introduced the - History of male circumcisionFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaAnd lastly from Gazpacho41 Here's a link to a site with complete fuck ups.http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Botched1sb.htmlas well as 2 stories near the top of this page. Thnx! MrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
Peachpear Great last post even if its a bit one sided. Great list of links. Shame there are no links showing infected uncut guys and maybe a few where the head is strangled by the foreskin. It happens you know. Wereupforit. Good you posted. Did it hurt? How were the standard monring erections? How long did it take to heal?...I would love to hear alll the details. Knowing what you know now would you have rather had it done as a baby or left it to do as an adult? How are the orgasms now? Is the wanking as good? When we see our new cut bi guy I will grill him for a detailed report and I will take pics as well. Mars
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RHP User
16 years ago
Im uncut and i must say, i totally dig my penis. Its just the right size, shape and feel and its got this cool hood on the end of it that goes up and down and makes all these all these excellent shapes. You can fill it with water, make farty air noises with it and just have a good old play with it if your bored. After cummming its wet and sticky and smooth and its great to play with. And thats not just me either. I hear or read all the time that women prefer cut penises but i have never been in the madly pulling off the socks and falling down situation where my prospective lover (also hopping around with one jean leg stuck inside out) has done a double take and said "your not going to like this much, but uncircumcised dicks dont do it for me" (touch wood). I actually think some women like playing with it. Maybe its because the external foreskin is a bit similar to the external lips of a vagina. I know some women are a little embarrassed by their external folds of skin (dont know why, but thats for another day) and after a good game of bed footy, many of my past lovers have idley twirled their finger around and inside the foreskin. They've pulled it back and forward to see how it works and and although not one has ever got a magnifying glass out, quite a few have been rather intrigued by it all and seemed glad to be able to have a good play and a look, and work out what a foreskin really is all about. Some have been openly amused by it all. Curiosity is such a cool thing. Im amazed by the vagina and without strapping a torch to my head, i do so enjoy examining and wondering at all the lovely folds and crevices while im going down on a wonderful woman. Suffice to say, i dont know what a circumcised penis feels like, though it would be nice to have one for a day, have a fidddle and give it good work out (same with a fanny actually). What i do know is, that after watching my two beautiful sons being born, I decided neither of them should cry one more time than they have to. They are both uncircumcised and if they want to change that, its their choice. This is my first post and ive been wanting to put my 10 cents in for a while. Have really enjoyed reading all yours. G
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RHP User
16 years ago
wereupforit... thank you for posting ;-) Your mention of scar tissue raises questions for me. Of course there could be other reasons for you but it made me think of something I read, on the 'intactivist site' I think. As I mentioned in an earlier post, babes are born with their foreskin attached to the head of the penis. What I read is that it can happen that those foreskins can be retracted too soon and end up with scar tissue that causes problems like the one you mentioned, later in life. I'm sorry to hear that you needed to undertake a C, but certainly glad to hear you prefer your current end product hehehe. With good intent lol tamworthguy38... thank you for your post from the perspective of a man that has been C'd but didn't just accept that what was ok for him was ok for his son. And thnx very much for sharing your story about your son. I'm extremely happy to hear how you both feel! Mr CunningLinguists... I really appreciate hearing your sentiments and the process you went through making the decision about yourself whether or not to circumcise hehehe. Something else I'm starting to notice is that guys like yourself who are intact are commenting that women have no complaints and that in your case as well as some of the others, you receive nothing but compliments gabrieloak... your post was incredible! You made me laugh and you made me cry. Sure look forward to seeing more of you in the forums. Great to hear from you and thnx, the feeling is mutual hehehehe brbMrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
Yes I was one that had it done when I was born ..and the minority when I was at school were the ones from England.I like mine the way it is . I have three boys and they are uncut..because Its not up to me to decide, its up to them and they have the choice when they are older..a friend of mine had problems with his for the same reasons that as asho 77..but that is a medical issue and doesnt happen to every guy that is hoodedAs for that guy who sued in Perth....total wanker
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RHP User
16 years ago
Quoting wtydm: As for that guy who sued in Perth....total wankerI have 2 questions...Did you read up on it and Why do you say that MrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
Mars... I simply thought it was a good time to copy and paste all the links supplied (and some of the writing that went with them originally for explanation) throughout the post in the one place. It made sense to me to head the post with the question asked at the start of the thread and to take the opportunity to guide people to the sources supplied throughout the thread for if they wanted to look into the topic any further before posting. As far as it being a bit one sided. Firstly, yep! I noticed but that's not through any fault of my own! I copied and pasted every link I found AND all those provided by various RHPers as well as guiding RHPers to the few posts that were copied and pasted on the thread from the net. The second thing is... I'm not here to prove your point... you are! Re your quote: "Shame there are no links showing infected uncut guys and maybe a few where the head is strangled by the foreskin. It happens you know." I was wondering if you said there were no links cos you googled and couldn't find any or if you googled and found them but didn't add them to the thread cos you expected me to look for them. Either way I don't dispute your point that intact guys have problems. But I don't know the stories behind 'their' problems or what avenues they have taken to resolve them... I know that babies have circumcisions and can have a variety of life limiting experiences as a direct result of that... to the extent of death. Did you know there is a product mentioned on the 'intactivist site' to help with the stretching of the foreskin? I believe this quote I saw on the 'intactivist' site makes MY point: "I always see more problems from a circumcision than from a foreskin." - a paediatrician, quoted on America On Line. Lol, when you see 'your' new cut bi guy, I'm thinkin' he'll be hopin' for a different type of grillin' n pic takin' spree!!! wtydm... thnx very much for posting, I couldn't agree with you more... Quote: Its not up to me to decide, its up to them and they have the choice when they are older. I am a bit puzzled as to why you think the guy from Perth is a 'wanker'. Yours is a similar to the attitude shown by various people and I really don't understand why! This is his statement below...The admission of liability was vital to my sense of victory and vindication. I wanted public acknowledgement that I had been injured by routine neonatal circumcision. This injury was inflicted on me and has deprived me of freedom, liberty, and a normal life. For this reason, I refused to forego my freedom of speech and agree to a settlement that included a confidentiality clause, or a clause denying the medical practitioner's responsibility for my injury. Mrs Peachypear
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RHP User
16 years ago
Peachy I have googled it of cousre . Yes there is some typical stuff about uncut guys infected ect. Others can google if they can be bothered. All I know is I have been told that at times uncut guys stink, have problems with infections and so on. I also dont like the look of un cut but thats just me. Must be flash backs when I was raped by an older uncut guy when I was ar 10 or so....Also we have our bi guy who on his last visit told me he had an adult C cos he hated the smell, the infections and the look of his uncut cock. And we have several adults males on here as well who did it. Maybe baby boys shouldnt be cut and maybe they should have an adult C later if they have problems etc. Me, I am glad my mother did it. No doubt I wouldnt feel the same if I had been butchered. Would I have sued the doctor or my mother? No fecking way. You know now they are fighting to NOT innoculate people in AU for Swine flue because the doctors cant get insurance. The risk of a problem getting the hit is very very low but still its a risk. Seems they are worried about the scum who sue doctors so now no one gets the protection. Mars
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RHP User
16 years ago
Quoting 'Mars_n_Venus' Great discussion yet again with good comments from all. Nothing worse than a smelly cock or pussy for that matter. Keep it clean! Looks are eye of the beholder. Soft uncut cocks look like aliens to me and none look like my cock at all. At school when I was growing up only the guys from Italy were uncut and they were rare. I had no choice in the matter and was cut and dont remember it at all. Now I fell cheated and in fact wish I had a foreskin. I am going to change our profile now re my foreskin paranoia and I hope to get over it. Mars
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RHP User
16 years ago
so many reponses but i thought i'd put my 2cents worth in... i personally prefer uncut, looks more entire, complete, because it is! i wouldn't go near a guy with bad hygiene, regardless of whether he has or hasnt been circumcised.. ewww when i was pregnant with my son, i asked his father what he thought about circumcision, he insisted that our son be circumcised, i asked why and his only answer he came up with was because he was! i was pretty young, very unsure what the right thing to do was... when my son born tho, a healthy beautiful boy, my mother instinct kicked in, NO WAY was i lettin any1 cut anything off his perfect little body.. and my son has been taught 2 clean under the foreskin, same as i taught him 2 brush his teeth! hygiene is a ridiculous reason these days sumtimes there r very real legitimate medical reasons for circumcision, but im glad most boys arent getting cut just because of tradition now in australia... as gaz said 'if it aint broke why fix it'
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RHP User
16 years ago
You can do whatever it is you need to and avoid the triggers of those flashbacks, brother. If that mans avoiding uncut dick, then that's a great strategy. Warm Hugs bebe, Gazza
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RHP User
16 years ago
Gazza I did change the profile re insisting on cut. I am going to change it back again. I will leave the uncut to you Gazza and anyone else that likes uncut. Peachy I retract the comment that I feel cheated. That was half way thru the convo...now I am ok with it and wouldnt have it any other way. See above as well. Mars
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RHP User
16 years ago
Mars... I have sat here for ages trying to think of what to say. I've broken your message up into sentences in my bid to elicit a response from myself to do with the topic but keep coming back to one sentence in particular and I'm sure you and most of our RHPeers can imagine which one. I feel that I cannot respond to any other other part of your post without apparently showing some lack of sensitivity.Quote: "I also dont like the look of un cut but thats just me. Must be flash backs when I was raped by an older uncut guy when I was ar 10 or so..."I remember you mentioning your terrible experience before on the 'ANAL SEX Who enjoys receiving it' thread in Girls Ask and I couldn't agree more with what Gaz said... Quote: "You can do whatever it is you need to and avoid the triggers of those flashbacks, brother. If that mans avoiding uncut dick, then that's a great strategy."I have a sense of what I would like to say in response to your post now but would like to take my time to try to get what I would like to say across before posting it.HugsMrsPPS: The quote of yours that I posted earlier was your first comment and it was the fifth response on the thread of 120 lol.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Mars... if you had provided me with any other links, it would have been my pleasure to include them on the list. I also would have made sure to check them out. I admit I did forget to google 'adult circumcision successes' when you mentioned it on your 'baby dont care or remember C or not' post on pg 2. I have done so now and didn't find anything more than I expected though to be honest I think to some degree, we find what we are looking for and frankly I saw things I could copy and paste to dispute the things you found and copied and pasted lol. For eg: I understand what you're saying though, if your frenulum was lost. Circumcision is a strange topic, guy. I've talked to guys like you- who wish they can be uncut again & the uncut guys who absolutely HATE their foreskin. Its a strange topic that should probably be a personal choice.I don't understand why you keep trying to make such a strong point re your bi guy and the men who have said that they either had to or chose to have a C as adults. I've acknowledged the point several times and gone on to explain that all I'm hearing is success stories. I refuse to accept the idea that it makes sense to circumcise the large percentage of babes to save the small percentage of men that have probs or decide they just don't like it, money and pain as an adult.I'm glad that you're glad your mother did it and agree that no doubt you would feel differently if you had been butchered. You might feel differently about suing the Dr as well...I still don't see why the Dr shouldn't be held responsible if he stuffs up though. And that's without going into the fact the baby didn't give anyone permission to cut off part of their body. So there's a couple of issues for me here including possession of self which I'll go into more after this.Quote Mars: "I also dont like the look of un cut but thats just me. Must be flash backs when I was raped by an older uncut guy when I was ar 10 or so..."That sentence in your post partially clarified a few thoughts I've had in mind for a while. Let's see if I can put it together. We're told that sexual abuse can be as subtle as a comment or momentary touch, but it is something that can leave a permanent impression on a person. So I don't see why having the tip of your penis seriously traumatised within a short period of birth wouldn't have the possibility of leaving some permanant emotional effect, the effects of that on a person would be much harder to judge. MrP suggested it would be interesting to check out if anyone has ever done any stats on crimes committed by entire and cut men. Going from there, I suppose there's a whole pile of other areas that could be looked into like relationships and sexuality.It is a personal belief of mine that 'OUR body is OUR body', we only get the one and nobody has any right to do anything to it or take anything from it... including it's innocence and trust. These things can never be replaced... as you and I both know. I don't need any links to the internet to tell me that and there is no possibility of me being persuaded any differently. HugsMrsP :-*
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RHP User
16 years ago
t is a personal belief of mine that 'OUR body is OUR body', we only get the one and nobody has any right to do anything to it or take anything from it... including it's innocence and trust. These things can never be replaced... as you and I both know. interesting that you should say that peachy becuse its along those lines of thought that some legal experts are now debating if infant circumcision is in breech of "The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child" in particular the following articles ........ Article 8, part 1: States Parties undertake to respect the right of the child to preserve his or her identity [...and not be surgically altered to look like his father]. Article 13, part 1: The child shall have the right to freedom of expression... [infant circumcision circumvents the child's freedom to decide for himself what parts of his body to keep, and his freedom of sexual expression by permanently and unnecessarily diminishing his sexual sensations].
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RHP User
16 years ago
great to hear from you, thnx for posting! I only just realised you had when I was looking back over the weekend posts lol. What a beautiful story to hear from you with a healthy dose of good common sense thrown in. Just what I needed to hear... thank you again! Hugs MrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
US2PLUSU2... you have me in awe with your ability to find the precise piece of information to support the points I make! I can't thank you enough for the links and info you have supplied throughout the thread. Your last one reassured me that routine circumcision of infants is a practice that is currently being debated and not just accepted. Hugs MrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
Tis interesting!Now I know why I can last for hours giving pleasure to multiple women before releasing my load!!!!! HahaSeriously, oh and that is serious, when I was younger I used to think I'd have my son cut for 2 reasons:1/ To look like daddy - ok I was young! I'm over that one!2/ As I have had wonderful sex with amazing women and have taken note of what they say I found that most preferred cut to suck on and I didn't want to disadvantage my little fella (son of course) - again I was younger and now society has fixed it all for me as younguns are mostly uncut these days so younger girls dont care or even prefer uncut.As for me, I'm a horny devil so if I had more nerve endings I would have a stiffy all day long. I do appreciate the added time it provides for play. On the downside, using condoms when playing with others means the big O is very hard to achieve. But hey I'm there for the experience more than the O.
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RHP User
16 years ago
I haven't read all the posts above so a more general take on this whole liability thing and suing.Do we have to sue for everything? This is not a legal issue it's a moral issue and thereby ruled my societies morals at any one time. Luckily these morals can be influenced and changed but this doesn't mean we should go on the hunt to damn everyone involved in the past to pay for their crimes. Next time you go to the doctor, dentist or any other medical professional and you think to whinge about the cost try to bear in mind a nice part of that cost is going to support the insurance and litigation industries. Medicine is there as a tool for what society deems as necessary. Don't blame the technician! Who's to blame when all this damn cosmetic surgery has a bunch of alien looking people whinging they are now depressed as a younger more advanced society has shied away from the knife and now regards them as freaks?I do like some of the learned ones here presenting some powerful info though but I hate the blame game! We are in control of our own destinies - don't blame governments, doctors or anyone else. We get what we deserve and we deserve what we're prepared to fight for!
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RHP User
16 years ago
Our legal system is stuffed. You hear of the big payout... someone get's $100,000 compensation for losing the tip of his nob... what you dont hear is the cost of that litigation.. by the time all the lawyers and barristers have been paid.. that $100,000 could mean the poor dude is out of pocket. People dont hear that side of it. Sure you win costs... but to a litigant, being awarded legal costs doesnt mean you recover what you paid... you are only entitled to your "reasonable costs of litigation"... that in itself is a joke.. it implies that your solicitor has charged you unreasonably if he charges more than the costs assessor certifies. More often the case that you get back bugger all after civil litigation. You might find yourself worse off than when you started... broke with a broken dick. Our legal system is hopeless for civil litigants. Lawyers win. Did you know that i fyou are a lawyer you can actually profit by suing someone... that is if you take a punt and win... you get paid for your time... us average Joes do not get paid for all the time it takes... and it does take years. If someone is wronged, better just forget it. If you are a lawyer.. jsut sue everybody.. they'll pay whatever you are asking to avoid the legal process. For the average Joe, even when you win, you lose... so bend over. I hope nobody cuts your dick off by accident.
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RHP User
16 years ago
lol, thanks very much for your post with the stages you went through forming your opinion as it stands now and your personal experience on the topic of sensitivity. Re... "But hey I'm there for the experience more than the O."I started a thread in '07, where I said something very similar, that you might like to read about @ http://www.redhotpie.com.au/Forum/Gals-The-Big-O-18119.CheersMrsPPS: brb
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RHP User
16 years ago
Mrs P, I think that the cut v's uncut debate was always going to be delicate and just like topics such as termination, there is never any right, wrong, black or white answers or views. There are just too many variables and each set of circumstances are unique to the individuals concerned and that said, I think it's a choice best left to the parents as it's their responsibility to make the best and most informed decisions for the welfare of their children. Personally, I chose not to circumcise my sons as I believed it was their right to choose that for themselves when they're old enough to make their own decision. I must add though, that the choice was never called into question by my hubby because he is intact himself so there was never any 'look like daddy' issues. If, however, there were ever any ongoing and/or repeat health issues for them and circumcision was recommended, then I would of course look into it and do whatever was neccessary to ensure a healthy and happy outcome.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Thnx for your post. I appreciate that you and everyone else on this thread have taken the time to post in answer to what was initially a very naive question on my behalf of a subject that had a depth I hadn't even begun to imagine when I first posted.Thanks for sharing your personal opinion re your sons. I would of course expect that anyone would look into the health of the children in their care whether they are 'their' children or not. Hopefully, now armed with knowledge that C' is not necessarily the only solution, something they might not have known before they read this thread Hugs allMrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
it was never intended to be a topic of cut versus uncut though. I'm not sure if it was inevitable that it would go that way.
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RHP User
16 years ago
If you hit google and do some research you will see how many men have said that circumcision ruined their sex life. If they had it done after they had started having sex of course. They are the only people qualified enough to know what impact it will have on your sex life and what it does to sex for a man. If you had a foreskin you would understand how sensitive your head is. If you never did, you would not understand what it is that you were missing out on. Is it that hard to keep your dick clean? Fucking hell, Im sure most men shower twice a day. If you need a desensitized dick to have any kind of staying power you are doing it wrong too. If a woman does not stick around because she does not like a foreskin, she can go. There are plenty who dont care at all and I would rather spend time with them thanks.
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RHP User
16 years ago
I have never heard of how it takes away any of the sensitivety... I guess its the persons decision to make, so long as they keep it clean then there is no problem! I think it would be better the guy get more pleasure out of it, then cut it off. Unless of course its for a medical reason or they just dont want one.. thats my opinion anyway lol
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RHP User
16 years ago
One positive for me is I've never had an issue with premature ejaculation and I can last literally for an hour or more of penetration without cumming if I put my mind to the task at hand and not think about myself I'm sure many uncircumsised guys can do this, but hey maybe its the one perk we get for having parents that followed a trend!
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RHP User
16 years ago
Quoting 'asho77' That the one's who say they prefer a cut cock the most are women....but it's the women who are saying it's wrong and barbaric!!! Is this one of those secret womens rules where you can contradict yourself and always be right because you're a woman?? The most likely explanation I can see here is that different women think differently... perhaps part of the problem is your perception MrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
Taller1979... you said: "If you hit google and do some research you will see how many men have said that circumcision ruined their sex life. If they had it done after they had started having sex of course. They are the only people qualified enough to know what impact it will have on your sex life and what it does to sex for a man. If you had a foreskin you would understand how sensitive your head is. If you never did, you would not understand what it is that you were missing out on." My question is not and was not ever based entirely on the premise of a lack of sensitivity as many have responded to. It would be very naive of me to believe a man or anyone else can tell me whether a man has lost sensitivity after being C'd as a baby.That paragraph of my first post was part of the introduction that told the story of how I was led to the next couple of links in the post after which I said, "...after reading both, I was shocked we still allow circumcision of baby boys in this day and age!", before asking my question...How do others feel about performing circumcision on babies where there is no real medical reason for it knowing that there are medical reasons against itI could google and do some research to see how many men have said that circumcision ruined their life as you said. And as I have said previously, if people want to present something for me to look at including links, I will make sure to do so. I suggest you might like to have a look at the links from my original post as well as all the others that have been supplied by me and other RHPers throughout the thread that support the point I have been arguing in favour of. The thing is, I have no doubt there are a small % of men that have chosen to have a C as an adult and suffered botched Cs as a result, it was however their choice at least to have the C. The small % of babies, from the large % of those C'd, that suffer botched C's had no choice. In some extreme cases, too much foreskin was removed and boys have been forced to live life as a woman. In at least one of the horror stories I read, the 'girl' in question did not even find out he was born a boy till his teenage years and then went through the process of trying to return his sexuality to that of a man, without success. Then there are also the babies that die every year as a result of a botched C's. I haven't read anything on this thread that convinces me the 'benefits' outweigh the risks! Particularly the suggestion that babes should be C'd to save grown men pain or the memory of it. There's not one of us that wouldn't be devastated if something happened to our baby cos of our decision.Lol Casanovacurls... nice to think there ARE perks! hehehe CheersMrs Peachypear
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RHP User
16 years ago
bexxxcurious... I remember reading a comment on another thread about your wisdom at your young age lol. I couldn't agree more! Thnx so much for your posting your opinion here! This is likely to be my last response on this thread and I can't think of a better Last Post to respond to knowing you have learned something new and the knowledge has had the effect I would have hoped!Warm hugsDeb
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RHP User
16 years ago
Above is likely to be my last response on this thread but no promises. I think I've said pretty well all I have to say, over and over again lol. It's been an incredible thread which wouldn't have been possible without everyone that has posted To all those who posted links, info, their stories and/or opinions to support and/or agree with the point I made in the first post, I can't thank you enough! A special thank you to the men that shared their personal stories of C as an adult And of course, I have special regard for those that took the time to post more than once to reinforce and/or clarify their point I was surprised and disappointed by some of the strong opinions, toward ANY possibility of suing, without even considering the circumstances. We are all of course entitled to our opinion but I like to think we use reason to reach that opinion and not just emotional responses. Something we women are usually accused of If, by any chance, this topic does move on to page 4, I will update the stats again, to include those who posted since I posted the stats near the top of this page RespectfullyMrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
Below of course is a copy of the original post. I hope future posters will take the time to have a look at the links included before posting. The bulk of the info I based my original post on is to be found there. These links are included in the list of links and info near the top of this page that I also recommend if you would like to know more about this topic. I was curious about the difference having a foreskin or not might make during intercourse lol and while googling 'foreskin erection' I got distracted by the paragraph below @ http://indra.com/~shredder/intact/anatomy/ a site about 'The Intact Penis What it is and how it works'. The frenulum is a Y shaped web of skin that connects the foreskin to the underside of the head of the penis. The frenulum is kind of like the web of skin under the tongue. This is the most sensitive part of the penis [I knew that! :-P], containing a huge number of nerve endings. Circumcision usually removes all or most of the frenulum. I can't believe that this is the first time I have ever heard that circumcision removes some or all of the most sensitive part of the penis. After googling 'frenulum circumcision', I checked out a couple of other sites... www.noharmm.org/IDcirc.htm has pics and info about 'How to Identify Circumcision Damage in the Adult Male'. and http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/garcia/ has a write up about 'What exactly is circumcision and what is it not?'. A must read. After reading both, I am shocked we still allow circumcision of baby boys in this day and age! How do others feel about performing circumcision on babies where there is no real medical reason for it knowing that there are medical reasons against itHugs all! MrsP
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RHP User
16 years ago
Peachy...if we ever meet I will make sure to give you 3 chances on the last word. Mars
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RHP User
16 years ago
Quoting 'kassmebits'after a bad experience when i was younger with a v yucky one, only like circumsized ones !! I like the nice clean feel of it, but thats just a personal preference!! I agree with you totally.....Cut is cleaner,more attractive and they feel harder when erect.... and cut guys last longer too. I wont do it with uncut ever again...and thats my personal preference.
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RHP User
16 years ago
Yeah right. All those uncut dicks are limp. Why would you choose a limp one! Don't ever choose a limp dick again... that's fur certain. While we are at it, why can't men clone thier cocks xactly like a vibrating dildo? I mean, they should vibrate.. tell me I am wrong! Hugs Gaz
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RHP User
16 years ago
I best be having words with fordys cock, as his doesn't go limp nor does he have any problems staying hard for hours on end... bad..bad cock.. oh the shame
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RHP User
11 years ago
It's been half a decade since I first posted this thread but my question is still totally relevent and there are so many new voices in the forum I'd be interested to hear from on this. . Peachy
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Peachypear' Quoting 'asho77' That the one's who say they prefer a cut cock the most are women....but it's the women who are saying it's wrong and barbaric!!! Is this one of those secret womens rules where you can contradict yourself and always be right because you're a woman?? The most likely explanation I can see here is that different women think differently...perhaps part of the problem is your perception MrsP
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