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What are your views on termination/abortion?
February 05 2013
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RHP User
13 years ago
Agree that abortion should not be used as birth control in this day and age. Teenagers today need continuing education and support about sex, their bodies, their rights.
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RHP User
13 years ago
There's been a few accidents that needed dealing with in my life. One was an attempt to trap me. The other few, honest mistakes. Always sad. But the people involved and time were not right.So it's funny now that I'd consider having a child if the right lady came along.~shakes fist at sky~Fuck you universe!!
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RHP User
13 years ago
I totally agree with the posts on here that a termination is not a decision to be taken lightly and should never flippantly be used as contraception. But I would say a majority of women have genuinely come undone due to unforeseen circumstances, the pill is not 100% successful as a contraception, it's close to it, but not quite and if you add in an illness that lowers the absorption rate of it, it's obviously lower again, then if you get a dose of the runs while on the pill, this can also negate its effects. But many women choose the pill as it is the most forgiving and least intrusive of the other methods of the hormonal types of contraceptive. I know many women who have been on the injection and/or the implant (myself included - both) and they have side effects like spotting every other day for months on end (not great when you consider oral sex a regular part of your foreplay), headaches and nausea, emotional issues and loss of libido (absolutely defeats the purpose). So you see we have alot of responsibility on our shoulders, and finding the right one for you is not as simple as popping a pill every day. Men just show up and (hopefully) pop on a condom. No worries there unless you are allergic.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Saskia72'The lungs are not able to function independently until 35 - 36 weeks, hence when you see premmies before this time they are hooked up to cannula tubes for oxygen intake. The lungs are full of fluid antil birth, when baby takes its first breath. Exactly.
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RHP User
13 years ago
There are too many different reasons to decide to terminate. Some are medical, some are simply what is best at the time for mother and child. I have had a miscarriage, which was heart breaking, and having gone through that not sure i could purposely terminate another BUT I also understand and agree that only the mother can properly make that decision. I do however have mixed feelings with those who choose to terminate later in pregnancy when they find out their baby has a disability. Life threatening- as in it will be stillborn, or live only hours after being born..yes, but those who simply dont want a "different" looking child or one who may need some extra care..no.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Philosopherpoet' ...OK, I am a little taken back by the wave of apparent 'pro-choice' and the absence of 'pro-life'. I am sure people are making references to early terminations rather than late ones? The developmental stage of the foetus is of fundamental importance. I have read about 'late' terminations during which a fully formed baby has been born and then placed into a bucket of water to die. There is something crucially wrong about this practice and I am vehemently against such late terminations.I am 'both' pro-life and pro-choice.It has also been mentioned that men should play no part in any debate regarding abortion??!! This makes no sense to me - maybe you can explain further?DannyI only had to recover for 15mins and I was out of there (surgical procedure)You go through a 10min counselling session on the same day beforehand, and they offer extra counselling if needed before/after. There is nothing else to it. This is the largest womens health clinic in the state I am talking about.It is very easy these days, which I think is a good thing. I do think they should put more emphasis on the counselling aspect if needed, but not everyone needs it.
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RHP User
13 years ago
I get where you are coming from with the late term disability abortion. But some people are just truly not able to cope, I think it is an incredibly brave person who can make and voice this opinion to medical staff and then follow through. Why have a child that you are not able to cope with, a child with a disability is not for 18 years plus, a child with a disability is often forever. That would be a very daunting prospect, to devote your entire life to a child and then have to worry in your old age how that child will cope without you. I know of a teenager with cognitive and physical disabilities whose mother passed away a couple of years ago, his father could not cope with the boy and dropped him off at Respite not long after and never returned. It takes a very special person to take this on, and once you have there is no going back.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Saskia72' The lungs are not able to function independently until 35 - 36 weeks, hence when you see premmies before this time they are hooked up to cannula tubes for oxygen intake. The lungs are full of fluid antil birth, when baby takes its first breath. Hmm, like Misscontrary my wife has attended hundreds of births (both hospital and home setting) - yes, the premature babies require assistance but they do attempt (futile attempts nevertheless) to breathe...The most premature baby known to survive was in Canada in 1987 - it was born at 21 weeks early. In the Uk (and recently) and baby was born after 23 weeks. It did spend 5 months in hospital but survived.Danny
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RHP User
13 years ago
Just a bit curious as to why anyone would bring up the old hat and boring subject of opinions on abortion on redhotpie for god sake! And just for that.....I'll give my opinion.....I have never found myself with an unwanted pregnancy because I was too stupid, lazy or pissed to use effective contraception and any woman who finds herself in this position is an idiot, i.e. lacking intelligence!! And who cares about the decision these dumb arses have to make!
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Loveknot
13 years ago
All men have a choice....that is too cum inside a woman...that is the first choice and if you choose that then that is your choice....if men didnt choose this... then there would be no choice to speak of..we cant get pregnant on our own after all!!!!...choose who you cum inside.... choose the consequences!
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RHP User
13 years ago
Yes I agree. Men also sacrifice or make choices based on what is best for their families. It probably sounds a little like man bashing some of the responses but overall I don't think it is meant to be. It's just that women feel passionately about their rights over their bodies. #it does seem a bit like man bashing at times. but I know it's not intended to be. :-) Hope to find one like you some day. :D -# if only I was 10 years older and in Sydney hahaha. FYI they replaced the mould after me, something about quality control :-D
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RHP User
13 years ago
HaHa - good point However; men can’t possibly be relied or depended upon to take that into consideration at all let alone at the time! It would be completely naïve, ignorant and bordering on stupidity to think so. We can't get pregnant on our own this is true but as women in today's world we have the options readily available to us to take complete control of preventative measures...period.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'bighardwanted'Just a bit curious as to why anyone would bring up the old hat and boring subject of opinions on abortion on redhotpie for god sake! And just for that.....I'll give my opinion..... I have never found myself with an unwanted pregnancy because I was too stupid, lazy or pissed to use effective contraception and any woman who finds herself in this position is an idiot, i.e. lacking intelligence!! And who cares about the decision these dumb arses have to make! Seeing this thread is now six pages, it appears a lot of people do not find this a boring subject. And calling women (any women) stupid, lazy, pissed, idiots and dumb arses will not make you many friends here. Just sayin...
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'subterfuge'All men have a choice....that is too cum inside a woman...that is the first choice and if you choose that then that is your choice....if men didnt choose this... then there would be no choice to speak of..we cant get pregnant on our own after all!!!!...choose who you cum inside.... choose the consequences! I have heard of a court case in The States where a man tried to get a court ruling against his partner's wishes to have an abortion. The woman's lawyer made the argument that the second sperm leaves a man's body, it becomes public property. If you don't want that, you use a condom. (That I suppose you take with you when you leave?). Legally speaking it would like putting your garbage bins out. Once they're on the street the contents are no longer legally yours. Thoughts? Or is that a different forum altogther (that I won't be starting)?
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RHP User
13 years ago
whilst I agree in part, I have a daughter with disabilities, and whilst not severe, it has meant medical intervention since she was 2 months old, a whole team of specialists, surgeries, physio, OTs you name it...shes just started High school, is the current Australian champion and record holder for 50m Freestyle and shot put for Athletes with a disability-and I would not have missed one moment of the past 12 yrs for the world! Her school mates have learnt so much from her and her achievements as we all have. Point being I was told things could be worse...I also have a friend who was told that her daughter had a better than 75% chance of being born with Downs, and was advised to abort...she didnt and the child was born perfectly normal and healthy! Yet i know a teacher at school who aborted at 20 weeks because it was found to have severe disabilities, and wouldnt survive long-that i can accept. I do however have issues with those who abort when faced with a slim possibilty of the child being less than perfect. You take the good with the bad...just like everything else in life!!
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'bighardwanted'I have never found myself with an unwanted pregnancy because I was too stupid, lazy or pissed to use effective contraception and any woman who finds herself in this position is an idiot, i.e. lacking intelligence!! And who cares about the decision these dumb arses have to make! The thing is, virtually no contraceptive measure is 100% effective. The only thing that works all the time is abstinence! Condoms have a 98% success rate - which sounds like a lot, but then when you think about it, statistically it's going to break once every fifty times. Considering how often some folk on this site have sex - and that you might go through a couple of condoms in an evening - it can be kind of frightening! Not to mention the anecdotal evidence here that various forms of female contraception (the pill, implant etc.) can fail under different circumstances (like medical conditions.)So what it comes down to is this idea that every time you have sex, you are at risk, no matter how tiny, of getting pregnant.I wonder what would happen if a pregnancy were to arise out of an RHP meetup that was just supposed to be a casual, no-strings attached fling?I appreciate people's views that abortions shouldn't be used as a contraceptive. I feel the same, though not from a moral position. To me a foetus in its early stages is just a lump of cells like any other, so I don't worry about 'the life that could have been' (same as when my boys fire into a latex barrier and end up in landfill instead of inseminating ova as 'God intended' (cue Monty Python).) However, I agree we should be educating abortions as a last resort because a) it's an inefficient use of time and doctor/hospital resources, b) there are all the STI risks of practicing unsafe sex, of which 'procreation' is just one, c) every abortion (as I understand it) carries risk of damaging your reproductive system, so that if you do ever decide to have kids it may cause issues, d) while there's not a moral burden there's an emotional one - those involved might find themselves wondering what might have been, especially if they have difficulty conceiving down the track, and e) others feel differently, and to help change the conversation it's not a good idea to flaunt it.But hey. The sooner we as a species stop breeding through intercourse and start growing and gestating people in labs the better. And not just because I won't have to put up with 40 weeks of friends posting "belly updates" on Facebook. Brave New World, baby(ies!)
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RHP User
13 years ago
Well said Ms_Devious.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Philosopherpoet' You mention a foetus cannot breathe until 35 weeks! That is simply incorrect. Foetuses have been known to survive from 24 weeks.....of course very unwell but they can still breathe......of course most will not be termed viable and given the help but some have done so..... You are correct, my niece was born at 23 weeks, was the size of a biro pen, was in special care for 10 weeks, but survived , and is now a vibrant, spunky 21 yr old!!!
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RHP User
13 years ago
Neptune too. (We'd probably make awesome babies though!)
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'bighardwanted' I have never found myself with an unwanted pregnancy because I was too stupid, lazy or pissed to use effective contraception and any woman who finds herself in this position is an idiot, i.e. lacking intelligence!! And who cares about the decision these dumb arses have to make! Have just checked out your profile, Mature?? Intelligent?? You forgot to mention your tact, diplomacy and fabulous people skills.
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RHP User
13 years ago
No I have never had a termination. Back when I was a pregnant teen there were no such choices in the country of my birth. If there had been we would not have the lovely 'Focus' to grace us with her presence. There is no birth control method that is 100% fool proof unless it is total abstenence. Each and every single time we have sex we run the risk of getting pregnant and men like "bighardwanted" needs to realise this. If he thinks it is all the womans fault, all her responsibilty then me thihnks he should take himself off to the doctor for a vasectomy so he can be 100% certain of the contraception used. I took Focus to the clinic for her last termination...the day before she began university. In that clinics waiting room was a couple. She was five months pregnant with a very much wanted baby. They were heart broken and sobbing openly. Thier baby had some major health issues that could not be fixed. It would have died within minutes of being born. The options were to have a late termination or let the woman go full term, give birth and be left with empty arms. How cruel would it be to give birth, knowing you have your baby for only a short minute or two. The woman would be there holding her baby as it breathed its last? I was 40 when I found out I was preganant with my last child. 41 when he was born. I had amniocentesis to see if he had any of the syndromes and yes I would have terminated if he had. Would it be fair of me to give birth to a baby knowing that he may out live me and be in need of constant care? All my other children had long grown and left home. The burden would have been left to one of them. It is an unfortunate fact (and here I generalise) that it is the woman who takes the lions share of raising a child. It is the woman who carries the child, a woman who is the most affected by child birth. There are enough unwanted babies in the world already. . Freakonomics fact... There was a study done a few years ago in American slums that tied a drop in juvenile crime rates to the year that abortions were legalised in that state.
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RHP User
13 years ago
I maybe pro choice, but I could never kill another living thing for my own mistakes... If I were raped or some other extreme situation happened I might consider it but in the end I don't think I could do it
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RHP User
13 years ago
Pro choice, This is not anti life. It simply means the woman must have the final say. After all it is the woman's body. She may chose life. But please let her chose. I do agree that there should be open discussion, with all feelings considered by both parties. In the end it is the lady in question who must have the final say. Have a little empathy for the women involved. We are not talking which is your favorite chocolate. Give them all the support you can regardless of your own preference. It's the right thing to do.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Pro choice all the way! I am proudly an advocate for the procedure of termination and the rights of all women surrounding this issue.Haven't women been told what to do enough, for the last two centuries, by dogmatic patriarchal systems and rote modes of government? I know there are good men out there who are responsible, good hands-on fathers to their kids, regardless of relationship circumstances, but there are also many who are not, who shirk it or just don't have the capacity or the moral strength within themselves to genuinely be there or do the right thing! This is predominantly a women's issue and should remain so. Come on people? We all know it is women who do the bulk hard yards of child rearing! We are often the ones that have to man-up ourselves and make the tough decisions when it concerns our own kids. Have you ever thought of the fact that some guys are secretly relieved when the woman does make the call to terminate? That they might be thinking, "Phew! Thank fuck she could get it together and decide! ('Cause I sure as shit couldn't do it!)" Even if he was fully prepared to go with and accept her wishes either way?Isn't it funny how if a dog is left to keep breeding out litters of pups we consider it inhumane? But some small "holier than though" minority groups don't extend that same loving humility and understanding to women who choose to opt for a termination? Okay, ask yourselves this? Would you want you're female reproductive rights read to you by LNP leader Tony Abbott if he became prime minister? I think not! (Apart from the man being a complete "twat", I really can't see it ever being his call to make.)Everyone's circumstances are different. Society has changed. Many women don't have the interweaving of a support network of friends and extended family available to integrate a newborn into, let alone having a glorious specimen of a partner to step up to the plate? Remember they say it takes a whole village to raise a child? And to whoever said it earlier?...To suggest that, quote, "Isn't abortion, after all, just an excuse for women's loose morals?" is an utterly ridiculous statement to make? If it was that simple, then, der, "What about men's loose morals?" Shoe on the other foot and all....On a more personal note...I have been there for several of my girlfriends over the years in their hour of need, accompanying them to clinics for this procedure, when they had nobody else they could turn to or trust. Some of them had high profile jobs, others were too ashamed to tell their families, or were left high and dry by the father and some of them already had children to care for. Assisting with termination is actually just another form of "midwifery". I think it takes a special and rock solid type of person to work in the field.I had one in 2003. It was not my first pregnancy. (I already had a 17 month old baby that I was still nursing at the time. My first and only child.) A lot of factors influenced the decision to terminate. Of course being asingle/working mother of one very demanding toddler was paramount. I was also living alone and 3800 km away from my extended family. I was also on the tail end of another bout of 'myalgic encephalomyelitis'. So health at the time was a huge contributor to the decision. Also, the father was, in my opinion, not someone I even wanted to have a child to. (He already had two children, to two different mothers mind you, and wasn't taking responsibility for either of them.) I wasn't going to put myself through that alone or with this guy. My gut feeling was "no way."It was, for me, the right thing to do!Some great opinions people :)
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RHP User
13 years ago
Sorry I mean't to acknowledge your follow up post last night but was not feeling too good. I can see from alot of your posts you are a very strong and brave woman, and even more so to have a child that has extra needs (no matter how small the disability, it's no small feat). A child without any disabilities is hard enough. Your daughter is very lucky to have a mum like you. x
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'c_mitchell' what a touchy subject. I would have to say i'm on the fence with this one. You see, i never really areed with abortion. I though it was morally and ethically wrong. But now i think about it i realise i hadn't taken the chance to hear the stories of people from both sides of the argument. At the tender age of 21, i found myself pregnant to my then partner. I was very ill and i had two very clear options: A - go through with the pregnancy with an 80% chance that either i or my baby (or both of us) die or B - terminate and live my life, recover from my illness so i can go on to healthily have children later in life Prior to making a decision my GP advised me that most doctors wont perform an abortion past 14 weeks unless the child has already died before delivery. I was 13weeks when i had the termination 11 weeks when i found out i was pregnant. Clearly i chose to live my life, recover from the illness that was threatening my life back then and try for children later in life. Having said all that. At the end of the day it comes down to the individual/s involved (i only add the s for plural incase the male wants to be involved in the decision making) and their personal situation. I know adoption is always an option, but it isn't for everyone. Further more imagine being a rape victim who got pregnant by your attacker....would you really want to carry that child to term and raise it or adopt it out? I know i wouldn't be able to, i would have this contant feeling of being dirty and violated the entire duration of pregnancy. WOW .. I wasnt going to come in on this discussion AT ALL... But here I am dipping my toes in. Your posting had me crying like a baby.. pardon the pun. Firstly Id like to say to you, that you are a very caring and loving soul. You are way ahead of your years and are to be commended for your bravery during your ordeal, and for sharing with us something so personal.I would also like to applaud you for acknowledging the male participants in these decisions, considering that the majority of the others taking place in this forum thread, feel that the male has no or very little say in this very touchy issue. Although I do realise that in the long run the lady bearing the child has the final say, some men are not even given the right of knowing the lady is pregnant or a say in the decision. I do understand your apprehension as to carrying the baby full term, whether to adopt or whether to keep the child (Actually this is my reason for posting, to answer your question pertaining to this subject) I was fortunate enough to have been placed in the path of such a lady. She was just a pregnant lady as far as I knew until we began to talk more and more over a period of time and as her trust in me as a friend was gained that she divulged her situation to me. She informed me that she had been raped 4 months ago and fell pregnant to the attacker, that she was keeping the baby, alone and doing it by herself. My heart fell to the ground with an impact like Ive never experienced before. From that time on, my troubles seemed microscopic. Yes, she "abhorred" her attacker but "adored" the baby. She would often say that out of an evil situation, she could only find that love would conquer and defeat the evil done wrong to her, by the love that grew in her through the baby. She would flippantly say, How could she punish the baby with abortion or adoption, when the baby had done no wrong. Such strength and a grasp of love, I only hope I portray a glimmer of in my lifetime. Well, from that moment on both our lives changed forever, we became extremely great friends, we shared the laughter and the tears, the comfort and the fears. As the time came closer we prepared for all that was needed. We even went to lamaze classes, to increase her confidence in her ability to give birth, which was a huge weight relieved from her considering it was her first child. Never did it cross my mind, that between the two of us we could not make this happen. With the strength and the love of this lady, it was never an option it wouldn't. To my total amazement together we did it, and a healthy beautiful bouncing baby boy was brought into the world with the conviction of this ladies love and strength.On asking her what she had decided to name the baby, she said there was never a doubt in the world what it was going to be.Garry. So I always remember that out of something bad, a good thing always happens. Mostly we dont know it at that time, and sometimes we never realise till later on, or we just miss the lessons in life.Open your eyes, life's right there every time.
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RHP User
13 years ago
All men are suppressed women!!! At a microscopic level, it is known that the developing fetus contains the basic structures of both male and female. Now certainly a choice must be made, whether the path leads to a male or a female, but it's not merely the flip of a coin. Biology tends to favour as more natural the "female", (YES guys.. females MORE natural) because, undeterred, the fetus will become a female, resulting in the male structures persisting only as the microscopic remnants. Sooooooooo...... As you yell for Little Lady to bring you that beer while tightly clasping the remote control, having left the seat up for the umpteenth time on the toilet, use the commercial break as the two-minute warning to get in touch with your feminine side. It's there--and now all of us hardware-store-enjoying.... stereo-component-rigging..... underwear-on-the-floor guys know it. For every good man there's an equally good suppressed woman. It's in our designer genes. HAHA as in HATE to admit it, but hey thats life
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RHP User
13 years ago
So beautiful. I am lost for words actually. Out of a post that could have gone horribly wrong, some poignant stories and some scathing views have surfaced. But we can all be open to hearing each other out and opening our minds to the possibilities. I humbly ask, was this lady just a friend or more... sorry I had to ask, it completes/or not, the love story that is in my head now.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Saskia72' So beautiful. I am lost for words actually. Out of a post that could have gone horribly wrong, some poignant stories and some scathing views have surfaced. But we can all be open to hearing each other out and opening our minds to the possibilities. I humbly ask, was this lady just a friend or more... sorry I had to ask, it completes/or not, the love story that is in my head now. I don't mind you asking at all, I thought about including it, but didn't for some reason. She was just an acquaintance originally, that turned into a great friend. We inspired each other immensely, through the good times and the rocky times we leaned on each other as rocks. We stayed in close contact for a few years after that, but I felt my task was complete and possibly I was holding them back from life's bigger picture. It wasn't that i wasn't attracted to her, more the fact that I was a helping hand in a time of trouble. Although it was a daunting dilemma, the things we both learned would see us through a lifetime of woes. She is married now, and had another child, Ive met her husband once and seems like just what she and her son need. I rest easy on her decisions, and know a little part of me in her memories and his name will be my legacy.You know I often think how parents pass on there genes to there children, but also the values, morals, respect, principles and common courtesy as the guidelines of life. Thinking to myself that having no children, that maybe I cant pass on those genes, but I sure can pass on the values, morals, respect, principles and common courtesy. Ive done it through my now 14 nieces and nephews, and also with past girlfriends that had children, some of which I still correspond with via facebook and alike. By guiding them, a piece of me goes with them also. Children don't know whats right and wrong, whats good and bad, till we guide them and instil in them our morals and values, this makes them who they will be and stand for in society and life.So Im sorry to have spoiled the love story ending, but one life saved is a perfect enough outcome for me :o)
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RHP User
13 years ago
Pro Choice for me. 24 years ago i had an unplanned pregnancy (i fell pregnant on the pill) At this point in time termination wasn't an option i would consider - now he stands a beautiful young man that i'm so proud of. He has strong family values and is protective of his younger siblings. A beautiful caring strong man. Unfortunately i didn't carry his twin to term and experienced a miscarriage at about 9 weeks. 15 months later he was joined by a daughter, as we decided that we would have our kids young as fate seemed to have decided the timing. 2 more miscarriages and then 2 more children followed. These were 10 and almost 15 years younger than their brother and sister. With the 4th child i was over 35 and took some time to think about amnio as it could have led to miscarriage, my reasons where that i knew i could not support a disabled child (i have a disabled brother and have observed 1st hand all that it means to live life supporting someone with disabilities) At this point in time i would have terminated a severley disabled child. I didn't need to make that decision, and it would have been heart wrenching. In 2010, my then 21 year old daughter fell pregnant to her boyfriend, a toxic relationship, unstable in every way, mental illness, self harm etc etc - i supported her in her decision to terminate. I felt it was the right thing to do. I guess what i'm saying is, although abortion might not be for me.......I will defend to the death, every woman's right to make her own decision, the decision that is right for her personal circumstances at that time in her life.
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RHP User
13 years ago
then that's good enough for me Gazza. Thanks again. Karyn B, I think you said it all. As women we should be able to determine the final outcome as we are usually left holding the baby... literally. Each and every situation is unique, and I believe it is nobody's business but our own what we choose to do with our bodies and our lives. Some people can overcome bad situations, bad timing etc, but there are others who can't and it is only fair that they have the choice of what to do regardless of whether it was a reckless one night stand while rolling drunk ( hopefully a good learning opportunity), or whether they were on contraception that failed. The outcome is always the same, nobody deserves to be shamed for feeling they didn't have the means or strength to bring up a child, in a perfect world our bodies would only produce children when the timing and situation is right...
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RHP User
13 years ago
Ok, so I was a bit harsh. I'm not for or against abortion, in fact I live next door to an abortion clinic and I don't have a problem with that but I believe and have known too many women who use abortion as contraception. And don't worry I told them so. Seriously, we all know what gets us pregnant and are educated on how to prevent it and we all know when we want to get pregnant. Abortion is affordable and readily available (even in Qld). If it was expensive and difficult to access there would be a lot less unwanted pregnancies. And I bet the average person doesn't know a portion of abortion costs is covered by Medicare.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Just one last thing...i have 3 children because I didn't want 4!
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RHP User
13 years ago
As I would not like being in this situation. I do believe it's the woman's choice.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Cos it seems women here and elsewhere are all so in touch with their own "rights"....there doesnt seem to be much discussion on the rights of the unborn person. All of life is sacred, no matter how small. I have heard stories about women who approach abortion as a form of contraception (check out the definition of that word)....which really angers me and if there are any women reading this who do take that approach i wish i could slap you in the face with a reality check and tell you to grow the fuck up (i probably wouldnt actually slap u, but, maybe a nipple cripple). If you want to be all so up with your own personal rights you ought spend a moment or three schooling yourself up on your responsibilities (ie. protected sex, contraception). I wonder, out of interest, what the difference in opinion on this one would be between women who have had babies and those who have not????? Taking the life of another....one night of fun can never hold up to the countless eons of unimaginable suffering when one cashes in their karmic debt.... Just a little disclaimer here....i do hold a different view on this when a woman has been raped.....
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RHP User
13 years ago
This thread is going into its 8th page and is still here. Kudos to everyone who has been open, honest and respectful. This is how it can be.
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RHP User
13 years ago
I think anything past 20 weeks should not be done as in our day and age, they can save little Babys around that age if you don't want a baby and you are past 20 weeks maybe you could think of adoption(this is only my opinion)... I have twin girls born at 29 weeks and they survived and are now happy heathy 10 year Olds. I had a baby at 16 and I grateful I keep him(as I did think of not keeping it) he has been a blessing for me. But in the end it is the ladys choice.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Most of you think that a woman has more rights in this as she has to carry the baby to term for 9 months. I am just saying if it was my child, I would like to be consulted. It is my child too. I am pro-choice, not only in this but in most things in life. I get irritated when people say they have no choice in the matter. Of course, you have a choice. Being a man, I am not even going to be able to understand what a woman goes through when making the decision to keep or terminate a foetus. However, in this case, it takes two people (a man and a woman) to make a baby. The choice should be between them and not just one person. Being a man, I would take responsibility for the child if she decides not to terminate. If she does, then I would respect her choice, but I would want it to be made together and without fear.As for abortion, I would rather it be legal and safe for the mother. If you ban abortions, it goes back to backyard doctors, corruption and a lot of injury/deaths for the mother. Sorry, I cannot accept banning it and I think most rationa/compassionatel people wouldn't either. Meeka, I am sorry to say but your argument is wrong. A man does not just walk away. He might have the choice to walk away, but if he does I don't think he will be able to live with that decision. I know I couldn't. That is why I hope that this choice never has to be made. I take precautions and rest was up to god/fate/flying spaghetti monster/fortune that it all works. I get a bit sad when I hear of people who have unprotected sex (those who are not de facto or married) and they say if the woman ever gets pregnant, she can abort. I think they need to be educated. Sorry to say, but these are not young teens but some older people too. If the pregnancy is safe, I would rather she goes through the pregnancy and give the child up for adoption. There are a lot of childless couples looking to have children to raise as their own. However, at the end of the day, a choice should be made. It should never be an easy choice as lives are at stake and it needs to be the choice of more than the mother. Do note, there are exceptions, i.e. rape, abusive husbands/partners and a lot more I am sure I can't think of.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'paintme' My body, my choice. Agreed. There are too many issues to address on this subject, but it all comes down to the person and what they want. Sometimes they are caught up in a situation that they do not want to be in or is out of their control. For others to judge a person on what they are going through is the real problem, however we will never know the true ins and outs of a person's true situation and we should leave people to make their own choices in life
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RHP User
13 years ago
Pro choice, it shouldn't even be a debate we live in a country that isn't run by religous nuts because we have come further and know better than most i like to think
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RHP User
13 years ago
This may upset some, but if the man doesn't want a child but the woman than has one should he be exempt from having to support it like someone who has adopted out a child? Or should he have to pay support to the child for 18 years,by not wanting it does he disown any responsibilities to the child? I know many women raise a child with out support,but I also know a lot do not. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
13 years ago
Pro Choice 100 percent.- Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
13 years ago
While I really feel for the childless couples who have to wait forever to adopt if everything else fails, I know I wouldn't be where I am today if I had not terminated my first pregnancy...
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RHP User
13 years ago
Your 'choice' occurs when you choose to have sex. And most particularly when you choose whether or not to use protection.
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RHP User
13 years ago
Accidents happen. Having sex should not imply an 18+ year obligation to an unwanted child, in a random/unwanted relationship. As I alluded to earlier in this post, a guy should have the choice to walk away without obligation and also without any rights to see the child after he has made his choice. What right does a woman have to "trap" a man into being around her for so long when he has just as much right to make the best of his life if he chooses to?
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'BubbleBliss' certain circumstance i can understand, rape, extream disabilitys of both parents and unborn babies. but other then that, if you are not prepared to have a baby, then use protection, make sure you are covered.There is no excuse for unplanned pregnancys these days. I can not accept allowing having an unborn baby ripped appart limb by limb simply because it is unwanted. There are other options like adoption, there are plenty of people out there who would do anything to have a baby of their own. No contraception is 100% accurate. Mistakes happen.....
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RHP User
13 years ago
Quoting 'Bathsheba' Your 'choice' occurs when you choose to have sex. And most particularly when you choose whether or not to use protection. Your go girl
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RHP User
13 years ago
I am completely pro-choice. If a woman falls pregnant unexpectantly, is not in a good, stable relationship or at least financially and emotionally about to support herself then I think it should be completely within her rights to terminate.I fell pregnant at 17. I had left my then partner and moved to another country before I realised. Once I realised I went through the thoughts of what to do, to terminate, adopt, keep... I personally decided not to terminate because my (ex)partner at the time wanted kids and would have been a great father. So, I hoped back on a plane and flew home to be with him and bring up the child. My body decided that wasn't to be and lost it not long after getting home... moral of the story, clearly it was never meant to be for me... (thank fuck for that!! lol)However, I had the option to terminate the pregnancy, which I chose not to for my own reasons. BUT I would never take that choice away from someone else!
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RHP User
13 years ago
Maybe look at it from and environmental some would say cold or cliniacal point of view. I think the world is close to or maybe over populated. When looked at from this angle maybe we should all be pro choice.
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WoodyWoodcock
13 years ago
For me this is a no brainer! Pro-Choice!No rambling diatribe for this one, plain and simple. There are so many situations where it is simple wrong to proceed. The little sprog that emerges needs 100% commitment for life, so if you can't commit 100%, the choice is clear.
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