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Where to draw the line in MFM....
February 05 2014
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RHP User
12 years ago
I like it. Carry on ... I shall follow with interest, saying only that it is quite a frustrating experience for all 3 involved if all 3 involved are not totally comfortable and relaxed enough to enjoy the coming together of bodies that is a threesome. It is frustrating regardless of what combination is involved. . Flirty x
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RHP User
12 years ago
I've always had the belief that if a male gets naked with another male in close proximity then there is an implied consent to do some touching. I myself do not believe that i'm bisexual by any stretch . However, in a mfm and in the moment I would probably only draw the line at the boy sticking me with his sausage. Just saying in the heat of the moment some rules do get bent a bit!
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RHP User
12 years ago
yesyoudo... so you wouldn't mind if the other guy sucked your cock?
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RHP User
12 years ago
A couple of homosexual experiences when I was younger, I know I'm straight but in an MFM situation, I'd agree with your first paragraph. Wait to be asked before you stick anything in my butt, that ain't gunna happen, otherwise anything else is a goer.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Funlover71' A couple of homosexual experiences when I was younger, I know I'm straight but in an MFM situation, I'd agree with your first paragraph. Wait to be asked before you stick anything in my butt, that ain't gunna happen, otherwise anything else is a goer. Really?
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erotictouch4u
12 years ago
Gaz, Personally I'd say having discussed things so boundaries are set before the action starts then any helping hand would be fine as a 3some with an accidental bumping of swords while manouvering too, but don't expect me to either be poked or poke or exchange any oral favours in a MM way. For a completely straight guy, even a helping hand yanking him off could start him thinking that the other guy was bi and wanting to steer towards some more intimate MM play. ET xox
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'paint_me' Quoting 'Funlover71' A couple of homosexual experiences when I was younger, I know I'm straight but in an MFM situation, I'd agree with your first paragraph. Wait to be asked before you stick anything in my butt, that ain't gunna happen, otherwise anything else is a goer. Really? I mean open minded guy.
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madotara69
12 years ago
I got fuked around for while, when I was a kid, under the wing of a paedophile, and tied up in the high courts for many more years. So there is just a couple of things I would not feel comfortable with, other than that, if we are all enjoying the moment, then that moment would speak for it's self. Last MFM we had, nothing you mention in your Op, was a worry, kind of went like that too. We had an awesome fuck, the three of us and we didn't set any rules, it just played out to each and all of us connected the whole time. If you were with us Gazpacko, you could probably get away with quite a lot of mischief, certainly would not have you feeling uncomfortable if things became awkward, a little slap on the back of the hand, or on the other hand, a pat on the nuts, to say that was nice, it's OK. Some of it Tara finds extremely amusing, if she is enjoying things then, I am pretty fucking happy myself and we know you would be too. Fuck the "MAN", Share the love, he he. Mado Tara xx
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RHP User
12 years ago
For me, no I wouldn't. Go with the moment you are in or don't put yourself in that position.
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RHP User
12 years ago
In the swinging scene there are surprisingly few straight guys. At a party bumped into sexy bomb shell of a nymphet and we hit it off straight away. Into the open bedroom we went and adopted the 69, her on top, sexy rear at the edge of the bed wiggling invitingly. The line up of "straight" guys were more than eager to partake and as I was down there I got to enjoy the smorgasbord up for offer. None of the guys seemed to mind where my tongue was and some where enjoying my deep oral skills a little to much. Had to remind them that the pussy was hungry too. For the impromptu encounters that involved another guy/s there was only once that the guy reacted in a negative way. For the more planed encounters I make it clear at the start that I am bi and in my subtle way learn where the line will be. I do get a kick out of being the first cock a straight guy has ever put his lips around and watching the delight on his ladies face as she watches is priceless. Now I need a cold shower...
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RHP User
12 years ago
Hey Gaz, the last time this was touched upon in jest, MrFunky got shot down. It was bad taste, but funny nonetheless. (Come join us again sometime MrFunky). I'm a stickler for boundaries myself. They are there for a reason, and while I am always interested in taking people to new frontiers, trust must be established first, then the boundaries might change. I will always be tuned in to how things are going in an encounter, especially with a new partner. Be acutely aware of how her responses are to what I am doing. Check in when necessary. Most women will tell of a guy with a fixation on anal when it is a no go zone. Pushiness is a pain in the ass, so to speak. While boundaries are mainly to do with preferences, I hold the assumption that most women have had unpleasant sexual experiences, or suffered abuse of some sort, and want to be the antithesis of this, garner trust, build rapport, establish openness and welcomeness into these areas. Be totally present and responsive, with warmth. With guys, if there is not a keen mutual interest, I am not interested. If a guy is straight, even if the swords do cross, touching is out of bounds. I am also with Mado here, a guy can have boundaries that are the result of trauma. It's more common than you'd give credit to. My history is vague. A few memories, a few tweaks, a few boundaries, and while I don't find I'm precious about it, there is an element of reclaiming my ass, to have control over who goes there and does what. I enjoy the sensations, and rely upon my feelings at the time as to direct me as to what I am open to, or not. My interest waxes and wanes, from zero interest, to full engagement in MM, including kissing. While I am versatile, I am more comfortable being a top. When I am receiving, I prefer cowboy, so I can be in control of my own sensations, more active than passive. But to answer your question, for me, with a 'straight' guy, the boundaries have already been set, even though there may be some degree of flexibility. Unless it has been spoken through, or alluded to, or is instigated by him in the moment, a boundary is there for a reason. There's plenty more than can be done that doesn't cross those lines in MMF. That's my take on things anyway.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Learning experience playing with a bi couple, couple did say we respect your not fully bi, couple drinks and some play in the bedroom, male of the couple out of nowwhere attempts to slip it in, without any warning felt uneasy as was making his wife very happy at the time, and we were having a nice time. it spoiled the night, as i felt uncomfortable and said no, awkward for me
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RHP User
12 years ago
BUT ' to me, its about the lady being spoilt , not engaging with another male. Some guys think because I allow myself to be in that situation I must be joking ... but Im not .. I respect others sexuality and dont really care what ppl do. As long as they respect my right, alls good.
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RHP User
12 years ago
personally i would like to set some boundaries before we met up. at least you know how far you can go without complaint. Then if shit starts to get heavy and you want more, well if you dont ask you dont receive first boundaries would be touching and sucking
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gazpacho
12 years ago
Quoting 'Unrushed1'........ f a guy is straight, even if the swords do cross, touching is out of bounds. ..... with a 'straight' guy, the boundaries have already been set, even though there may be some degree of flexibility. Unless it has been spoken through, or alluded to, or is instigated by him in the moment, a boundary is there for a reason. Thanks for your thoughts Mado and Unrushed. I appreciate fully how it feels to want to just get the hell out of there in some situations. Back off trigger... lol. So.. what you're saying though is that you feel restrained too. You're always on your guard to make sure you don't accidentally put the other guy off.... no touching Unrushed? ... lol... that's impossible in some situations like DP for instance... but I get what you mean.... you're always mindful to run to the opposite end of the other bloke's business. :p What do you think about Yesyoudo comments? I don't challenge his sexuality.. he's obviously straight but freelance... enjoys the fact that three bodies merge into one wriggling mess of gooey sticky sexy mindless glorious dreamy flesh.... I can appreciate that... nothing could be more sexual. HugsGazpacho
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RHP User
12 years ago
I organized a FFMM bi experience for a friend's birthday a few years ago. Her first group sex and bi sex experience. I flew to Melbourne, we had a nice big apartment, we tarted ourselves up and prepared ourselves for play. First guy arrives... And he is gorgeous. So far so good. Then he states "by the way, I am straight and not bi, does the other guy know that." I think both our mouths dropped in shock!! No we had checked all this before. But then he says I don't mind sucking cock or having my cock sucked, and I will fuck the other guy, but I won't let a guy fuck me. Well thank god for straight men, eh? Lucky the second guy turned out to be a bottom. The added bonus was that he didn't have a gag reflex... Watching him get his face fucked was bloody awesome. My friend and I gasped at the same time, looked at each other and no word of a lie we both swooned... OMG so unreal!! Hehe.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' In the swinging scene there are surprisingly few straight guys. At a party bumped into sexy bomb shell of a nymphet and we hit it off straight away. Into the open bedroom we went and adopted the 69, her on top, sexy rear at the edge of the bed wiggling invitingly. The line up of "straight" guys were more than eager to partake and as I was down there I got to enjoy the smorgasbord up for offer. None of the guys seemed to mind where my tongue was and some where enjoying my deep oral skills a little to much. Had to remind them that the pussy was hungry too. For the impromptu encounters that involved another guy/s there was only once that the guy reacted in a negative way. For the more planed encounters I make it clear at the start that I am bi and in my subtle way learn where the line will be. I do get a kick out of being the first cock a straight guy has ever put his lips around and watching the delight on his ladies face as she watches is priceless. Now I need a cold shower... I had to go 'take care of business' after easing this post. This is a great thread and I'm reading it with interest.
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RHP User
12 years ago
*reading lol
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'm following this thread just for the horniness factor
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gazpacho
12 years ago
You know... there are a lot of misconceptions about guys who enjoy mm sex. Not everyone does anal for starters. Certainly not everyone enjoys receiving anal sex... and certainly not everyone likes giving anal sex... In an MFM situation, in my experience it is rare for guys to root each other.... as they're usually far too busy trying to entertain their lady friend. the only time I've ever been involved in MFM where one guys roots another in the bum, is when one guys says in no uncertain terms... "Fuck my arse" or something similar.... The invitation in that circumstance cannot be misunderstood... and any sensible man is not going to sneak up on a guy and stick him in the bum while his back is turned. Stallberrie's experience noted... that, my young fucker friend, is exactly why we don't do it... it spoils the moment. What I'm talking about is just going with the flow. If there's a set of spuds bouncing around in your face, it ought be reasonably open to pop them in your mouth, for instance, should the inspiration strike you.... or something. You know? Not to make anyone feel uncomfortable, quite the contrary, to make everyone feel sensational is the objective of an MFM. yes? HugsGazpacho
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RHP User
12 years ago
@Gaz: in that situation, I don't feel restrained. There is no inclination to cross those boundaries at all. It's a respected no go zone. Again, trust is the issue here, and for me, it's important that everybody is comfortable, for the straight guy to feel very comfortable in my presence and unchallenged about his heterosexuality. I think MrFunky's thread got deleted, but had some very pertinent posts on how things can go horribly awry when boundaries aren't respected, and straight men being thrown into personal crisis, and even suicide. No means no. End of story. When no means maybe, then the maybe has to be made very clear in my mind. In regards to Yesyoudo's post, I will assume he is talking about himself, and that he is the ones giving implied consent. It's never a good thing to assume others have given implied consent. Maybe some 'straight' guys who have flexible boundaries with MM could speak their piece here and give insight into when the rules can be broken.
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gazpacho
12 years ago
Quoting 'eagertongue4u' Gaz, Personally I'd say having discussed things so boundaries are set before the action starts then any helping hand would be fine as a 3some with an accidental bumping of swords while manouvering too, but don't expect me to either be poked or poke or exchange any oral favours in a MM way. Thanks ET... and glad to see you still around... love your orchid tongue! grossly generalised comments follow:It's interesting that even in mm play there are guys who never "return the favour".. and nobody expects it... guys tend to fumble around until they find a match... put two cocksuckers together and it's often a boring experience for both of them... some prefer just to suck dick or be fucked (a bottom)... others only like to be sucked and never suck dick (a top)... that's a good match. This is why in mfm (bi) situations most of the attention is usually targeted at the lady. A bisexual mfm where one guy is a top, the other is a bottom and the lady is open slather for both... now that's some serious sexual intermingling there... It's rarely the case unless pre-arranged... but if one guy is straight... the other is a bottom... and the lady is involved... well, the straight guy doesn't have to worry about being fucked in the butt or having to suck dick, does he? The circumstances simply do not apply. HugsGazpacho
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RHP User
12 years ago
Gazpacho and straight men. Speak up. What is the harm in asking is this okay? I think Gazpacho is talking about situations in clubs Unrushed, where he is assuming most guys are straight. Or can you tell? Can you tell when a guy is totally straight? Everyone is different. I prefer that anyone new would ask if it is okay. I sometimes need time to get comfortable with it all... Whereas others seem to jump in, no hesitation and are horny by just walking in the room. Men and women! I am usually not like that myself.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Straight men at orgies should expect some touching... If you are going to get really offended don't go. No means no and I think we all respect that. :)
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RHP User
12 years ago
My experience here is low with the amount of guys I have been with still able to be counted on one hand. I don't want to sound like I'm moralizing here, if a man walked past and gave me a "follow me and you'll get the blow job of your life" look, I'd probably smile and say "G'day mate" as I keep on walking thinking he was just being a nice bloke towards me. I know there are heaps of subtle cues between MM meets etc, and that those cues would be picked up on by the more experienced such as yourself Gaz, so I just thought Id add this disclaimer so my black and white statements don't invalidate anyone else's experience or perspective.
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RHP User
12 years ago
My experience here is low with the amount of guys I have been with still able to be counted on one hand. I don't want to sound like I'm moralizing here, if a man walked past and gave me a "follow me and you'll get the blow job of your life" look, I'd probably smile and say "G'day mate" as I keep on walking thinking he was just being a nice bloke towards me. I know there are heaps of subtle cues between MM meets etc, and that those cues would be picked up on by the more experienced such as yourself Gaz, so I just thought Id add this disclaimer so my black and white statements don't invalidate anyone else's experience or perspective, but rather just add to the mix of opinions here.
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gazpacho
12 years ago
Unrushed, the very last thing I would ever do is pressure someone who just isn't interested. What you're talking about in reference to MrFunky's apparently deleted thread, is way outside my comfort zone for more reasons than I can express. Meeks is right... a bit of talk goes a long way... but in a club situation, you're hardly likely to say.. "I am going to rest my hand on your leg now mate. Do not be alarmed"... or "My dick is momentarily pressing against your shoulder, while I cup her butt cheeks just so... is that alright with you"... I can just hear the running commentary going in my head... quite amusing to say the least. HugsGazpacho
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RHP User
12 years ago
The pure lust of cocks, balls, hands, throat and tongues seems to be acceptable. Yet the line seems to be at the intimacy of touching, running fingers through hair, hugging, cupping the buttocks, fingernails down the back, a gentle nibble of the nipples or even the passion of a longing kiss, then the post relaxation with all three embraced in the triple spoon or variation there of. Even some BI guys have trouble with that level of intimacy.
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madotara69
12 years ago
J man/Jensman, was always good at posting as the devils advocate. The "MAN" took him from us, kidding, he loves his Jenny Lee and family, it and that inspired me and us to the RHP forums. He posted a topic that would be right up your alley to this Gazpacko, Maybe Peachy, or Meander even Meeka could dig it up for the bounce. It was Jaymans scale of 1 to 10 for a man to his place to all this. I agreed with the level 2 for the same type of reasons he did. But generally to the positive vibe with people, I/We take them for who they are and enjoy that energy their spirits share, so just because I may have some insecurities (I really like that), they would not clash with your free love, respect would cover all boundaries, including those of even you have Gazpachmfucan I kind of agree with Jay me, but for it about spoiling the ladies, It really has nothing to do with them, It's a personal set of boundaries and to spoil them, Gazpacho surely would have them fizzing at the bung, male compassion at any level, sends them bonkers, spoiling them, not quite SPIOLING them for all the worth. (them, dirty minded sex kitten n purr, ladies) Like it is said, peoples minds are the sex in fucking and any who allow their spirit to dabble with ours, welcome to our house of fun. If any attempt to manipulate us, well I at least am very in touch to that behaviour and the welcome is no longer offered in our house of fun, Da..da..da.da..da... So Gazpacho, the question in return is , " would your spirit and energies be suffice to the personality cheeky and all, allow you to feel enough comfort to enjoy letting that saucy grin and cooperative tongue out to play, considering our hands and cocks would be all somewhere in the middle of things, Tara being the centre of my and any others moments in this life and it's styles"? Nothing personal, I just don't see that your hairy arse next to Tara's pretty flower looking one, would change my view. And that is to take nothing away from how beautiful your even waxed arse may be. But that grin and tongue and you are cheeky fun, would likely be the life of the party. Mado Tara xx
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madotara69
12 years ago
Jmans scale of 1 to 10.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Has anyone else had a similar experience to this.I know a couple I do mmf with and the rules are that I cannot touch her,to cut to the chase it ends up with him on all 4,s giving me head like Linda Lovelace would and her behind him with a duo strapon pumping him while getting herself off at the same time.The funny thing is he still denies to this day that he is bi Who am I to disagree..lol
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RHP User
12 years ago
LOVE this...Quoting 'Meeka100' "by the way, I am straight and not bi, does the other guy know that." I think both our mouths dropped in shock!! No we had checked all this before. But then he says I don't mind sucking cock or having my cock sucked, and I will fuck the other guy, but I won't let a guy fuck me. Well thank god for straight men, eh? God bless those Mozzies x And all that they will sail into...
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RHP User
12 years ago
Having had umpteen MFM experiences where all boys were chaste & straight, ne'er a bi boy in sight (sulks publicly) the rules were well known. No lines were crossed, I even doubt swords were. Homophobia reigned, great question Gaz as I want to shag everyone above.... HAWT!!!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
I included the "just for the record" post just in case I was misinterpreted as implying that there were lines being crossed that shouldn't be by any other posters. Mate, you probably have one of the highest IQ's on RHP. I don't doubt that you know the cues for and against contact in the moment. Besides, I've seen your tackle. We're practically kin 😄
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'gazpacho51' .. In an MFM situation, in my experience it is rare for guys to root each other.... as they're usually far too busy trying to entertain their lady friend. the only time I've ever been involved in MFM where one guys roots another in the bum, is when one guys says in no uncertain terms... "Fuck my arse" or something similar.... The invitation in that circumstance cannot be misunderstood...Not fair! I want to see men rooting. So it does help when I say "I want to watch you root his bum" that way everyone is comfortable with that. Sometimes I even get to assist and dry hump someone's leg.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Actually... there isn't usually anything dry about me at this point. LMAO!!
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gazpacho
12 years ago
This is not a bi guy thread... This is a straight guy thread. I already know what bi guys do. What I'm really asking is... What do two straight guys do.... Where do THEY draw the line? Obviously they're unlikely to be sucking dick, (kinkdom's experience noted) or banging the other guy's bum.... Although there's some opportunity for a bit of strap on action. (Enjoying anal is not a sexuality, it's a kink). So what do straight guys do? Would they grab the other dudes dick and swish it about or is that unusual?
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RHP User
12 years ago
To me just spells selfish and selfish and cant stand them. A guy has to be versatile if he is at a stage that he can label him self. As for anal, i will have nothing to do with it, male or female, if there has not been any douching. Call me a prude but I get grossed out when a couple wants DP and she has not douched, or he asks to get it up the arse and is not clean. If clean love it, try and stop me. Cant stand straight guys getting involved in any group fun, there is really something wrong with people that fear the touch of another human and why should I have to be on alert that I may touch the wrong skin, this is supposed to be fun. What is there problem, what makes my hand such a revolting thing. I do love to flaunt my sexuality and straight guys had better have a sense of humor as i enjoy watching a homophobe squirm as I flirt.
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RHP User
12 years ago
For me the line is really simple, if we haven't discussed it, it doesn't happen and shouldn't even be attempted. I've done a straight mmf, but a bi mmf is definitely on the fucket list. I'd hate to get into it and have it ruined by a lack of respect for boundaries
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RHP User
12 years ago
I need to sharpen.... - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Clearly I was overcome with excitement. Well as a "honorary male" I would say there are dudes that are scared of any interaction between males, however it seems that lots of straight makes are flexible in men giving them hand or blow jobs, but won't reciprocate. But no bum love. xx
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gazpacho
12 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' To me just spells selfish and selfish and cant stand them. A guy has to be versatile if he is at a stage that he can label him self. As for anal, i will have nothing to do with it, male or female, if there has not been any douching. Call me a prude but I get grossed out when a couple wants DP and she has not douched, or he asks to get it up the arse and is not clean. If clean love it, try and stop me. Cant stand straight guys getting involved in any group fun, there is really something wrong with people that fear the touch of another human and why should I have to be on alert that I may touch the wrong skin, this is supposed to be fun. What is there problem, what makes my hand such a revolting thing. I do love to flaunt my sexuality and straight guys had better have a sense of humor as i enjoy watching a homophobe squirm as I flirt. Nah... that's silly. Some guys just love to take it.. as much as everyone can give, and lose interest doing the work of a top. There's nothing wrong with that. And some brutal selfish alpha muscle dudes just like to dish it out. Wooohoo! Slap my arse and call me daddy. hehe. When you say that's selfish... well.. yeah, of course it is. I must admit, I've turned a few straight guys away from "unisex" group fun when I'm in my dirty slut frame of mind... but that's only after being warmed up by uninhibited play of others. Gazpacho
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gazpacho
12 years ago
Quoting 'Findingmemo' For me the line is really simple, if we haven't discussed it, it doesn't happen and shouldn't even be attempted. I've done a straight mmf, but a bi mmf is definitely on the fucket list. I'd hate to get into it and have it ruined by a lack of respect for boundaries When you say if we haven't discussed it, it doesn't happen and shouldn't even be attempted What are you referring to exactly? That's the essence of my question. I mean, is mom two guys taking turns like a tag team wrestling match in the straight world... or is it two on one... and if so... what shouldn't happen? Use the example I gave posing the question for instance.... What I did there seems harmless enough to me.. but maybe to you it isn't? HugsGazpacho
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RHP User
12 years ago
That is about as helpful as tits on a bull. So, when in doubt ask I guess.
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gazpacho
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' it seems that lots of straight makes are flexible in men giving them hand or blow jobs, but won't reciprocate. First up, as you probably know... I never do anything sexual for the purpose of reciprocation. What I do sexually, I do for my own amusement, which usually involves trying to make other people reach an orgasm but not always, lol... in any case, I do a lot of sexual stuff that I don't want done to me... oh my god no... hehe... are you kidding? Don't you dare to that to me! kind of thing... So no.. reciprocation is teenage stuff.... you know? Second, straight males might, in certain circumstances end up having some kind of mm experience, but that doesn't mean that they are comfortable with the idea of it, even if they allow it to happen. Given my sexual history, I will likely never ever enjoy being involved in that kind of activity. Complacency is not active consent. I'd have to get the hell out of there for a while to clear my demons, you know? Anyhow... because a guy's sexuality can be different to a guy's self image, it's a very complicated area. If a person says that they are straight, that's good enough for me, I don't have to test their resolve... and I'm quite happy to accept it without pushing the boundaries. What I want to know is... what are the boundaries. HugsGazpacho
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RHP User
12 years ago
Should clarify. My useful as tits as on a bull comment was about my original honorary man comment... Before anyone comes along and says "what would you know" lol. ;-)
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gazpacho
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' Should clarify. My useful as tits as on a bull comment was about my original honorary man comment... Before anyone comes along and says "what would you know" lol. ;-) That's an entirely different thread - refer to the Cuckold section. Imagine my humiliation at the thought of being usurped by a bull with beautiful big titties jiggling. I already feel kind of dirty just thinking about it. HugsGazpacho
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RHP User
12 years ago
With my non existent experience with bi play, my opinion is based purely on my "ideas" as opposed to real play. Your original example would be fine by me. My only unknown is when it comes to giving oral, never done it so would need a very patient test subject. It would only be in a mmf too, guys on their own just don't do it for me. Hope that clarifies somewhat
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Findingmemo' For me the line is really simple, if we haven't discussed it, it doesn't happen and shouldn't even be attempted. I've done a straight mmf, but a bi mmf is definitely on the fucket list. I'd hate to get into it and have it ruined by a lack of respect for boundaries can you be a bit more specific about what those boundaries are in terms of actual activities that are or are not acceptable for you? Lots of guys are saying the lines / boundaries are what has been agreed to or spoken about beforehand, or conversely what hasn't been discussed, but are not really providing anything in terms of specifics, which is something I'm interested in hearing about and I think (correct me if I'm wrong Gaz) is what the OP is asking about. So you, as a straight guy, say you're interested in trying a bi MMF. Are you able to tell us what kind of activities would be ok for you in that situation, and what wouldn't?
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RHP User
12 years ago
There is no specific answer that's why. Like for me... It depends on the people involved, how I feel on the day, how wild everyone is. If someone ask me this question my answer would be.... Just do what ever you want and I will let you know if I don't like something or don't want to do something. I am straightish... So I have to be really feeling it to start going down on other girls but I am happy to fist girls, kiss, fuck them with my strapon... Stuff like that. ☺️
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RHP User
12 years ago
Not suggesting you should test their resolve. Just that what a person's idea of what constitutes as "straight" is very different from one person to the next. Like my example, he considered himself as straight as he never has one one one encounters with men... However he will fuck them and deep throat their cocks in a group situation with women involved. He considered himself straight and not bi. :p
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RHP User
12 years ago
And that is pretty much my approach as well. Particularly because I am still fairly new to group and bi play, and I'm probably not even aware of many of the possible permutations and possibilities. Which is also why I asked Findingmemo about his stance, given that he feels if something hasn't been discussed then it shouldn't even be attempted (which seems to be a stance shared by some other men as well). I'm just trying to work out how this goes in practice, given that it would be a very long and tedious process to go through beforehand and think of every possible sexual act that could occur, and give a prior yay or nay to each one. Sure, some of the main activities can be covered / talked about in general terms, but there are some things that just come about in the course of play but probably haven't been specifically discussed, as Gaz pointed out in his OP. So in that situation, what would be acceptable for the straight guy? And yes I realise that is going to differ depending on the individual, but I'm keen to hear some examples.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' Cant stand straight guys getting involved in any group fun, there is really something wrong with people that fear the touch of another human and why should I have to be on alert that I may touch the wrong skin, this is supposed to be fun. What is there problem, what makes my hand such a revolting thing. I do love to flaunt my sexuality and straight guys had better have a sense of humor as i enjoy watching a homophobe squirm as I flirt. All straight guys aren't going to be freaked out if you hit on them or touch them in a group situation. I often get hit on by guys. After letting them know I'm straight, I enjoy flirting back, just as I enjoy flirting with ladies with no intention with taking them to bed. It's fun.
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gazpacho
12 years ago
Prickteaser! :p Hugs Gazpacho xxx
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RHP User
12 years ago
Simple rule is go with the flow if you don't like something speak up. Nothing like sucking a hard cock with a woman watching. - Posted from rhpmobile
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madotara69
12 years ago
Tart
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madotara69
12 years ago
Dirty slut frame of mind? Don't know who this will benefit more, Gazromachio or these somewhat anxiously humid ladies. he he Steamy, isn't it? OK then an example..... I think it would be a little distracting gazpacho, to zero in and return to realities and find that dirty slut, eyes rolled back, trying to stretch my foreskin over ones knee cap. The dilemma, How do we get ones attentions to such a predicament? without being rude or unbecoming? assuming one is quite passably having a single most moment?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' There is no specific answer that's why. Like for me... It depends on the people involved, how I feel on the day, how wild everyone is. If someone ask me this question my answer would be.... Just do what ever you want and I will let you know if I don't like something or don't want to do something. I am straightish... So I have to be really feeling it to start going down on other girls but I am happy to fist girls, kiss, fuck them with my strapon... Stuff like that. ☺️ Great topic thanks gaz. Not trying to make this all about me, as late as last night/this am. I have been vetting and vetted by a gay rhpers asking what I/We are looking for sexually in responding to a mmfbi request, gaz and I also looming on each others radar amongst others. In agreement with meeka there is no straight up and down answer. lol. In years past my ex Wife wanted to fuck a close friend while on a house boat while his partner and others where below decks. He too this day is as straight as the day is long, Her requirement for him getting a start was him first me next while I deep throating his dick as She watched from below. He recently told My current partner it was the best head job He had every Had bar none. My point there is ground rules/a general direction of expectation puts all be it 3,4,10 involved at ease. Straight Bi Bent or twisted if declared up front covered by safe or a no go word is agreed upon it makes a better place for all be it hes or shes. same should be inferred re anal, as the song goes some do some don't. We have also meet a rhp couple were He and I set a no anal clause, over he and I having a full on suckathon weeks before the girls even meet, as They didn't We do, not even mentioned again All happy. I'm So lucky my Partner a willing player to all My bents as My toy collection has spun out some of my/our playmates Bi and gay alike as they have never seen or indulged with such size or range. The each to there own rule applies and all boundaries are respected. I hope this is not taken as a self indulgent speel, rather than Me weeding through the forum as I see it. R.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I just find the clear cut Top/Bot roles hard work. The bottoms are the equivalent to starfish, and seldom can get hard to boot. Tops are usually brutal mother fuckers and little concept of intimacy beyond the love of their cock. Dont get me wrong, i can be a total slut if the mood is right and the situation calls for a third or fourth or more. In those situation the bottoms and tops have their benefits, disposable, usable, autonomous man flesh. There have been a few times when me and a girl friend have had to go enough is enough with a bottom asking of just a few more things to be inserted or a Viagra fueled top that does not understand that we would like to get off as well and maybe a little break . The versatile at least have the ability to swap roles and in my experience understand the notion of give and take that is so important in enjoyable MMF play.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'madotara69' Tart I try..
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Funlover71' Quoting 'Blindman67' Cant stand straight guys getting involved in any group fun, there is really something wrong with people that fear the touch of another human and why should I have to be on alert that I may touch the wrong skin, this is supposed to be fun. What is there problem, what makes my hand such a revolting thing. I do love to flaunt my sexuality and straight guys had better have a sense of humor as i enjoy watching a homophobe squirm as I flirt. All straight guys aren't going to be freaked out if you hit on them or touch them in a group situation. I often get hit on by guys. After letting them know I'm straight, I enjoy flirting back, just as I enjoy flirting with ladies with no intention with taking them to bed. It's fun. Not all straight guys, but there are a few that for some reason (suppressed homosexual desires) are so afraid of any male male intimacy that they spoil the mood. And I can help my self, if there is a sexy bum, male or female, I have to kiss it. Imagine having a FFM and one of the females said you could not touch her. It would quickly become FF. I am good at reading people, also good at encouragement and making people push their boundaries. No means no always, but say nothing and then have regrets in the morning, well that is your problem. Plus I am of the firm belief that all males are BI. You can jump up and down as much as you want and tell me you are totally hetro, but I know that deep down inside every man is the very secret love of cock.
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gazpacho
12 years ago
That's just a silly flamer comment vision impaired man, unless of course you mean that men are secretly in love with their own cock.... Of course even that is a stretch... There's lots of disappointed lads out there! Hugs Gazpacho
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gazpacho
12 years ago
Quoting 'madotara69' OK then an example..... I think it would be a little distracting gazpacho, to zero in and return to realities and find that dirty slut, eyes rolled back, trying to stretch my foreskin over ones knee cap. Yes, that would be a predicament for sure.. and I am rather fond of foreskin.. more than just a passing interest, you might say.. lol. I think though that usually, the attention is directed towards the lady in mfm, and mm contact is usually ancillary or incidental to the main game... When I say that, if there are three people there, I always like to engage with three people so nobody feels left out... well, that's how I like to operate... perhaps that is just me. If mfm where the other guy is straight, well, I'm not going to concentrate on him... as he has no interest in me..... Makes me wonder why straight guys like mfm... perhaps they don't really? HUgsGazpacho
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'gazpacho51' That's just a silly flamer comment vision impaired man, unless of course you mean that men are secretly in love with their own cock.... Of course even that is a stretch... There's lots of disappointed lads out there! Hugs Gazpacho Not a flame at all. A legitimate observation and backed up by some interesting research. Strange that societies that don't have the cultural negativity towards gay tendencies have very high rates of bisexual men. The Kinsey scale is used to asses sexuality. A value of 0 totally hetro to 6 total homosexual and X as sexually inactive. Any scores from 1 to 5 are considered bisexual. The Kinsey report of 1948 showed that almost 50% of males are bisexual and by far the majority over heterosexual and homosexual men. The Klien study in 1998 concluded that 88% of males can be considered bisexual. That is that at some point in their lives they had a consensual same sex sexual encounter/s. Just because someone does not call them selves bisexual do not make it so. it is a term describing your sexual activities and does not consider personal ideologies.
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madotara69
12 years ago
I have to ask myself then to that suggestion? all questions need open thought, rather than a peer pressure influence. Learnt so much about people by considering the most peculiar interests. Often become most interesting, not for right and wrong. (modern concept) just why and any meanings to pleasures really, if someone enjoys something, sex on topic (love this place) Then understanding those feelings can only come from accepting that person for who they are, that gains trust and free thought can then tell the true feelings and feelings are most important. So, Tara and myself started by, hang on. I was sitting back and Tara was so focused on bringing me pleasure and my cock said honey this is so good, I feel greedy, some poor lonely bloke would love this it is fucking awesome. Well did I get rewarded for that. We began talking of how we could enjoy sex further by having another guy join and help us explore these intense feelings from the sex we were having, needed another companion because sex toys don't have feelings or a sense for team work. Well we had established that I was enjoying the idea of Tara experiencing the very best for anything we stumbled onto, She was enjoying that as well to my thoughts to it of nothing selfish nor murky agenda. No secrets. Gaz we are in love and of course it has matters for emotions and feelings, so we discussed all we could think to, we explored our feelings by thinking for the worst aswell, naive would be foolish to enter into something so close to something that is everything. We found a guy and invited him to our home, we just fell into a conversation, we ate we drank we shared songs we began to have sex and several hours passed we parted company in good spirit and as friends. I enjoyed the mfm with the guy because of the connection we made to work together and do the best we could, he had a cheeky nature and at one point when Tara was plying with my cock and very nice it felt, both hands came into sight, I looked as oh well, she gave the sexiest grin and eyes that could have one jump off a cliff into them. I reached down and gave our friend a pat on the nuts and thanked him for his efforts as did Tara, he was so relieved as he had curious thoughts and feelings. He later sent us a message to say all he could think about was that night, and thanked us for helping him to pursue those interests with confidence, and from then was only interested in playing with couples and exploring the experiences to men. He ended his FB encounters with the few ladies he had been seeing. So that is why I enjoy it and so happy for our bi male friend, I love people and everything that comes from the truest nature within them self. Not so much to sexual attraction to men, but that bond of respect and loyalty to have trust without walls of caution. Not every man is so trustworthy.
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gazpacho
12 years ago
Even Kinsey wasn't so quick to label the men falling in the 1-5 as bisexual. Just because a man has had an mm experience doesn't make him bisexual. Also, it should be understood, that the majority of men surveyed by Kinsey were in men's prisons or were male prostitutes. This does not change Kinsey's findings, but it certainly puts the proviso on your interpretation. 50% of men are not bisexual. However, if that were true, it is a far cry from your earlier assertion that all men are bisexual. We can agree that just because a person says they're not gay, doesn't make it so. As it happens, I don't consider myself to be bisexual. I'm poly sexual. :) Hugs Gazpacho
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RHP User
12 years ago
And hoogirl. That's the point. As the bi Mr of a bi couple, I've had a number of experiences in this situation. Most of the guys we've met have had their profile listed as 'straight'. However, we very clearly explain that we are bi, so guys know what they're getting in to (or what they hope they'll be getting into!) when they approach us. We'll usually ask at an early stage what their experiences are, and what they're comfortable with. If they approach us and don't specifically address it, they'll usually be asked "how straight is 'straight'?" The reality is, we probably wouldn't meet with any solo guy that described himself as '100% straight' unless he was truly exceptional (and couples are a different story), and then that would be completely clear from the outset. I also meet with guys one on one (not from this site) so I don't feel the need to push boundaries when meeting men with Ms Shout (though she'd dearly like me to!) Recognising where guys are coming from, we give things time to develop if they're going to, and usually start conservative, progressing to more intimacy as we explore further. I didn't end up kissing one of our lovers until our 4th date, and that was totally fine. Each experience was a fantasy in its own way. Working on this 'progressive scale', it then simply comes down to no means no. If a guy doesn't specify (or doesn't know) where his limits are, as soon as they become apparent, that's the boundary. We wouldn't push any further - that wouldn't appeal to us at all. So from our experiences so far, there haven't been any difficulties with drawing the line. The only sticky situations we've been in have been literal. Mr Tryst (with Ms Shout next to him nodding emphatically) x
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RHP User
12 years ago
x Ms Shout.
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RHP User
12 years ago
x Ms Shout.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Does DP (2 guys fucking the same girl at same time in the same pussy) does that count as a homosexual or bi experience? I think not...and if she is loving it, then I am all for it!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'gazpacho51' Even Kinsey wasn't so quick to label the men falling in the 1-5 as bisexual. Just because a man has had an mm experience doesn't make him bisexual. Also, it should be understood, that the majority of men surveyed by Kinsey were in men's prisons or were male prostitutes. This does not change Kinsey's findings, but it certainly puts the proviso on your interpretation. 50% of men are not bisexual. However, if that were true, it is a far cry from your earlier assertion that all men are bisexual. We can agree that just because a person says they're not gay, doesn't make it so. As it happens, I don't consider myself to be bisexual. I'm poly sexual. :) Hugs Gazpacho If only we could read minds. I would define someone as BI if they have bisexual fantasies, not necessarily act on them. Whether these are conscious or not (dreams) is irrelevant. plus we have to deal with the definition of what sex is (since Clinton, may say blow jobs are not sex) and how intimacy is integrated. In my view 3 people in a room naked, aroused and cooperating in play makes at least two of them bisexual, even if they are careful not to touch each other. It is a shame that so many are fearful of the label, and justifiably so as there is still a lot of prejudice and bigotry in society. Yet I will stand by my comment and say that the natural human condition is not mono-sexual. If this is flaming well then burn baby burn. Guy Fawkes night has morphed into a celebration of defiance, and he most definitely wanted a flame. Have heard the poly-sexual argument, that there are more than two sexes but that is just a matter of semantics, but that would make both homosexuals and heterosexuals, monosexuals. and those that reject sex all together nihilsexual. Why not just use sexual and leave the prefixes for the odd ones out.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'ScorpioMike1979' Does DP (2 guys fucking the same girl at same time in the same pussy) does that count as a homosexual or bi experience? That goes without saying! Any guy afraid of "crossing swords" won't make it to my bed. But I prefer MMF to MFM, not only because it eliminates a whole lot of "What if's, but also because it is HOT to see two guys enjoying each others bodies.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Double posting?
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'm your dick is in the same pussy as my dick... I'm sorry buddy, we are also sharing a bi encounter... You find that unpalatable or it may sit fine... But I fail to see how it could be anything other than a bi experience... It kinda reminds me that I'm not gay, but the guy I fucked last night said he was... 😳 Hp xo 💌 Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
12 years ago
"IF" your dick is in... Hp xo 💌 Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'ScorpioMike1979' Does DP (2 guys fucking the same girl at same time in the same pussy) does that count as a homosexual or bi experience? I think not...and if she is loving it, then I am all for it!! To cocks touching each other while aroused in a sexual way and consensual spells bisexual plain and simple. There is no ambiguity, you are involved in a sexual act with a man.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Two cocks not To*
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RHP User
12 years ago
I totally disagree. Just because you have two dicks in the same hole at the same time doesn't make it a bi encounter at all. All these guys that say they love spoiling the woman, etc, etc would definitely be crossing swords a little, otherwise the woman is missing out! It is MMF always about the spit roast?
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RHP User
12 years ago
I totally disagree. Just because you have two dicks in the same hole at the same time doesn't make it a bi encounter at all. All these guys that say they love spoiling the woman, etc, etc would definitely be crossing swords a little, otherwise the woman is missing out! It is MMF always about the spit roast?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Agree with Meeka. But hey, what happens in my bed stays in my bed. (Well, actually it doesn't, but I do keep it anonymous...)
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RHP User
12 years ago
Crossing swords will never mean bi. Bi is being attracted to the same sex, not just interacting with it.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Scenario is more than just crossing swords... 1/2 of the sexual stimulation is coming from rubbing your dick against another dick... To try and deny the pleasure that that brings is to be phobic. If getting off on rubbing your dick against/inside a pussy makes you straight then getting off on rubbing your dick against a pussy and another dick by definition makes you bi... To some degree... Hp xo 💌 Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
12 years ago
Who said they are getting off on rubbing dicks? Things can feel good just as an interaction of group play... That doesn't mean you have to be attracted to all the players. If you are doing it because you are attracted to the other guy and want to rub dicks... Well yes you might be bi. Otherwise no.
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RHP User
12 years ago
So DP-ing a woman with your cock and a dildo is straight, but with another cock it's bi? Even when you are in no way sexually attracted to either one?
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RHP User
12 years ago
The guys don't gain pleasure from their dicks rubbing together...? Then what pleasure do I get from plunging my swollen kabana into your pussy ? Hp xo 💌 Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
12 years ago
"If you are doing it because you are attracted to the other guy and want to rub dicks... Well yes you might be bi. Otherwise no." As Mea also said, use a dildo for the same purpose??? wish I could invent a cool term for being attracted to sex toys. If you are gaining pleasure from rubbing dicks - for sure. If you are gaining pleasure from pleasing the lucky lady ONLY - No. That is up to each individuals mindset. You can't throw a blanket over it.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Because the bloke is focusing on the woman and it feels good. Doesn't make him bisexual.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Thanks blindman... I'm glad you get it... I wonder why the girls can't...? Hp xo 💌 Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
12 years ago
Just because Blindman gets "you", doesn't mean we don't get "it".
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RHP User
12 years ago
So if I was sucking your nipples and you couldn't see the woman who was eating your pussy and made you cum, then you wouldn't be bi, because all you could see was me... Your focus...? Hp xo 💌 Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
12 years ago
That not cut both ways mes ? Hp xo 💌 Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
12 years ago
It helps to have a cock and to have done some DP in the same hole. There is a lot of stimulation from the other guys cock especially if you have the under position and cant get much movement in. Faster dude faster, in my deep male voice... Why are so many all hung up on the label. Its just a classification and does not change who you are. I get called an arsehole all the time and it does not mean I am large sphincter dribbling you know what all the time. As soon as someone gets all testy over a label it shows that there is some form of insecurity. In my book 2 guys in the same room having a wank together is bi, if a woman walks in nothing changes. Meeka. Yes it does make him bisexual, he is engaging in a sexual act together with two other people.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Highpriority' Thanks blindman... I'm glad you get it... I wonder why the girls can't...? Hp xo 💌 Because you're worth it... Your welcome. Meander gets it but Meeka is just being stubborn and wont back down... LOL
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RHP User
12 years ago
That is correct. I have been in that situation numerous times. I don't consider myself bi.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Don't care what you say. If two straight guys are DPing a woman I would not consider them bi And if this is really how blokes think.... Yeah straight MMF is definitely not for me then. I am sure it's nice but it wouldn't be great. *gets back on her high horse and rides away*
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RHP User
12 years ago
In group situations in doesn't matter does it?? Who cares who is doing what.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' Meander gets it but Meeka is just being stubborn and wont back down... LOL I wonder how you came to that conclusion, since I couldn't agree more with Meeka.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Classifications are not something that individuals get to assign. It is an agreed set of rules that are used to define a behavior (in this case) These rules come from consensus and are meaningless if everyone picks there own definition. Bisexual: A person that has consensual sex with both sexes. Like it or not MMF or MFM is a bisexual act and it amuses me that some will stubbornly refuse to see that as a fact. Has the PC factor gotten so out of hand.
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gazpacho
12 years ago
I really hate feeling the other guy pounding away in her pussy while I'm underneath her her with my cock is buried deep in her butt. It's so heterosexual. I mean, just because our ball sacks are bouncing against each other's and the fact that I can feel every inch of his thrust through the thin membrane of anal lining separating his dick from mine... And the way his movements stretch her sphincter... And the pulsing butthole when she reaches a climax... All these horrible sensations.... Feeling this doesn't make me bisexual... And he is still in her pussy, after all. It's the noise that she makes that bothers me most... And what makes me hold back is the thought that I might put him off his game if I reach around and grab him closer as we do all this? It's the right thing to do to grab his arse... But will that put him off? Hugs Gazpacho
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gazpacho
12 years ago
This thread is not about what is gay, straight or bi.... I don't really care how you identify... What I want to know is.... Where do straight guys draw the line? Put it this way.... Where do guys who identify as straight, draw the line? Hugs Gazpacho
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